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Tashiell Gao Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 19:10:00 - [31] Edited by: Tashiell Gao on 06/03/2008 19:12:03 sigh..akita..if these ETF-warriors can understand your reasoning of your post, they wouldn't become an ETF-warrior in the first place. no need waste server space and your braincells for them. Just ignore those comparison posts. Edit: page turning reply...... Tashiell Gao, Minmatar RolePlayer.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:32:00 - [32] One can only hope to at least re-educate a part of them... or at least make them doubt their "insight"... 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:39:00 - [33] I don't agree with this. The finances of various people is wildly different - for example I have a full T2 Paladin fit, but that's affordable for me. Perhaps the posters asking for setups should post a budget? That seems far more reasonable than asking everyone to provide potentially less-than-best-for-the-money-the-character-has posts. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Ima Nub Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:46:00 - [34] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I don't agree with this. The finances of various people is wildly different - for example I have a full T2 Paladin fit, but that's affordable for me. Perhaps the posters asking for setups should post a budget? That seems far more reasonable than asking everyone to provide potentially less-than-best-for-the-money-the-character-has posts. Sorry, no. The rules are stated very clearly in the original post by Akita T on page one. If you don't like them please uninstall EFT and never post your setups here again. All your setups are belong to him.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.19 15:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Akita T IF any of you EFT warriors plans to post anything... a) DO NOT overload EVERY module, unless you're trying to show off volley damage or anti-alpha resists ; the nature of heat means that setup can't last long that way to begin with, so.. just don't do it, unless you give a VERY good reason why you overload any of the modules, and then SPECIFY how long it lasts before it breaks down b) whenever you quote DPS numbers of ANY kind, include optimal/tracking/falloff numbers for turrets, and explosion velo/radius plus warhead velocity for missiles, or your post WILL be rejected out of general principles c) stop over-using modules with metalevel above 5 and T2 rigs. If at all possible, don't use ANY of those to begin with... or if you do, make that a relatively CHEAP item (i.e. LP-shop stuff). Just about any NON-CAPITAL fit that sports T2 rigs or officer modules is, as people say, "FAIL". d) there's no such thing as "perma-run" for PvP fits, unless your INJECTOR can provide 100% of the needs ; there's no such thing as "perma-run" for PvE fits if you're using any injectors at all ; there's also no such thing as a "perma-run" fit for missions/complexes/whatever that sport any capacitor warfare e) NEVER forget to include any implants or gang effects used, and DO specify that you used the "all L5 skills" char, if you did That is all. Linkage - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.19 15:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Ima Nub Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I don't agree with this. The finances of various people is wildly different - for example I have a full T2 Paladin fit, but that's affordable for me. Perhaps the posters asking for setups should post a budget? That seems far more reasonable than asking everyone to provide potentially less-than-best-for-the-money-the-character-has posts. Sorry, no. The rules are stated very clearly in the original post by Akita T on page one. If you don't like them please uninstall EFT and never post your setups here again. All your setups are belong to him. grin It does sound that way, doesn't it. I've supported Akira in alot of things because usually he makes sense, but this seems a bit wild. I mean will there then be conventions for posting DPS stats that aren't from EFT? Or are we not allowed to approximate anymore? ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Drek Grapper Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.19 15:43:00 - [37] When i see EFT fits i hate the 'all Level 5' thing...i mean seriously, lets be realistic and post your setup with your skills and maybe some extra 'all Level 5' info as a meter. This arguing about ships with all LV5 skills a bit much.. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Drek Grapper When i see EFT fits i hate the 'all Level 5' thing...i mean seriously, lets be realistic and post your setup with your skills and maybe some extra 'all Level 5' info as a meter. This arguing about ships with all LV5 skills a bit much.. That's a fair point. Perhaps the request should be for standardised information to be provided by the requester to better aid people offering fits? Perhaps a link to the API to directly plug into EFT? That, a budget, and some specific questions (what's it for, against whom etc, the ones that always get asked) could really streamline things. Almost like a request for information form ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:23:00 - [39] What i don't understand is... Those daft enough to claim the game should be rebalanced through EFT, those daft enough to compare things with ludicrous setups and expect to make a point with it. Would they not be merely as daft as the ones buying it? As far from reality as the ones who fail to recognize a classic ludicrous build when they are presented one? To read the idea and tendency out of posts including this kind of posts rather than scream and ***** about the extra 1.8% dps the spec V grants? To give them a point however, the game is and needs to be balanced by maxed out characters. Not that that is what you're after or complaining about. Postcount: 13877
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:44:00 - [40] With a large group of people like we have you can't set these sort of guidelines and expect people to be smart and do the right thing. It's your responsibility to sift through the info, evaluate its credibility and decide what is useful and what is to be dismissed. /makes fart noise
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:39:00 - [41] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: Ima Nub Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I don't agree with this. The finances of various people is wildly different[...]Perhaps the posters asking for setups should post a budget? <sarcasm>The rules are stated very clearly in the original post by Akita T on page one. If you don't like them please uninstall EFT and never post your setups here again. All your setups are belong to him.</sarcasm> [...]I've supported Akita in alot of things because usually he makes sense, but this seems a bit wild. I mean will there then be conventions for posting DPS stats that aren't from EFT? Or are we not allowed to approximate anymore? Well, rules are there to be broken, there's exceptions to be made, etc. I have absolutely nothing against somebody prefacing his post with something like "I'm Entity's brother, and he let me fly this setup on SiSi", or with "I have invested all my money into this one, but nevery actually fly for fear of losing it"... then afterwards, they can post whatever hell of a setup they want, seriously. But whenever EFT Warrior X comes up with some insane setup that "proves" that ship Y is "overpowered" (see "HG Crystal implants, full Estamel Siege Golem") because it can "tank forever more than a dread" while "dealing insane damage" or whatnot other absurd claims... you don't expect anybody to actually take him seriously, do you ? Bonus points to whoever can point out more than just "nos/neut enemies" and "insanely low sensor strength" as reasons why such a setup is big no-no in PvP. Problem is, well, he (hypothetical EFT Warrior X) actually DOES expect to be taken seriously, as he DOES believe what he just said. Simply because he blindly trusts in what EFT shows at first glance, without regards to ACTUAL combat situations. ____ So, yeah, I have absolutely nothing against people that compare insane fits on insane ships, especially if they're mission-boats, I have nothing against those that post something they ACTUALLY use or at least plan to use, and skills they want trained... but I do have everything against people that throw together a completely unfeasable setup, use an implanted "all L5" pilot and then quickly declare it "overpowered" without actually using their brain to think of scenarios, situations, things the enemy can do and so on and so forth. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T But whenever EFT Warrior X comes up with some insane setup that "proves" that ship Y is "overpowered" (see "HG Crystal implants, full Estamel Siege Golem") because it can "tank forever more than a dread" while "dealing insane damage" or whatnot other absurd claims... you don't expect anybody to actually take him seriously, do you ? Bonus points to whoever can point out more than just "nos/neut enemies" and "insanely low sensor strength" as reasons why such a setup is big no-no in PvP. Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. Also, IIRC, some of those Estamel's items don't actually drop... but what do I know? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.

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