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Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 640	Posted - 2012.02.20 10:51:00 - [1] - Quote Hi all, Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up? A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Sentient Blade Walk It Off Imperial Ascension 257	Posted - 2012.02.20 10:54:00 - [2] - Quote Hmmm I thought you could kick nowerdays because of supercap pilots... If you can't kick him at next down time, escalate the petition.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 640	Posted - 2012.02.20 10:55:00 - [3] - Quote kk thanks dood The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?

GM Homonoia Game Masters C C P Alliance 284	Posted - 2012.02.20 11:07:00 - [4] - Quote You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this. Senior GM Homonoia \| Info Group \| Senior Game Master

Sakurako Kimino Volatile Nature 12	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:20:00 - [5] - Quote GM Homonoia wrote: You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this. got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player i.e corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x player x - sorry not going to dock or log off next day repeat would the gm then remove him from the corp eve is about sin
Cebraio Starfire Oasis 23	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:24:00 - [6] - Quote Sakurako Kimino wrote: GM Homonoia wrote: You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this. got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player i.e corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x player x - sorry not going to dock or log off next day repeat would the gm then remove him from the corp GM Homonoia wrote: You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.
Luba Cibre 39	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:25:00 - [7] - Quote Sakurako Kimino wrote: GM Homonoia wrote: You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this. got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player i.e corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x player x - sorry not going to dock or log off next day repeat would the gm then remove him from the corp Just pod that ******.
Cylide Askald Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans 1	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:28:00 - [8] - Quote Reminds me of the story when a corp robber stayed somewhere cloaked and that way could not be kicked from the corp he just robbed. He refused to dock until they gave him a medal.
Sakurako Kimino Volatile Nature 12	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:31:00 - [9] - Quote Luba Cibre wrote: Sakurako Kimino wrote: GM Homonoia wrote: You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this. got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player i.e corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x player x - sorry not going to dock or log off next day repeat would the gm then remove him from the corp Just pod that ******. that is ture if you can find them not always able to what if he stays cloaked and to cebraio my case is based on the player refusing to dock or log while your online we can't play eve 23/7 and he might be able to log on before you or anyone with role what do you do then if he is cloaked and decloaks to kill blues? eve is about sin
Cebraio Starfire Oasis 23	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:36:00 - [10] - Quote Sakurako Kimino wrote: and to cebraio my case is based on the player refusing to dock or log while your online we can't play eve 23/7 and he might be able to log on before you or anyone with role what do you do then if he is cloaked and decloaks to kill blues? I know what your case is based on, but isn't that question already answered in the GM's post? They are surely aware of the fact that this could be abused as you described it, but they seem to have their own reasons and will not interfere in that case.


GM Homonoia Game Masters C C P Alliance 284	Posted - 2012.02.20 13:40:00 - [11] - Quote To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis. Senior GM Homonoia \| Info Group \| Senior Game Master

Hroya 14	Posted - 2012.02.20 15:03:00 - [12] - Quote GM Homonoia wrote: To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis. If i recall correct, before the time of supers ( yeah the good old days) members requested to dock up so they could be kicked from the corp were obligated to do so. Failing to comply to the request resulted in a GM intervention. Granted, upholding that intervention nowadays would be a significant increase in workload no doubt.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 474	Posted - 2012.02.20 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote GM Homonoia wrote: To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis. Don't talk with the CS department, shoot a memo up the chain to the developers. Request they implement and allow members to be kicked at any time, regardless of the circumstances. Set it so that if someone tries it during a wardec to avoid losing a fight the aggro extends for 30 minutes and requires 30 minutes to be accepted to corp (to avoid the on site jumpers cause they were not flashy red before a victim gets owned, attacker turns red but does not get wardec priviledges to attack for 30 minutes, if victim is still hasn't noticed...thats their problem). That fixes alot of issues and less petitions a GM has to deal with.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1020	Posted - 2012.02.20 15:48:00 - [14] - Quote I can't help but think we'd be better off to simply allow people to be kicked whenever, but for this to have a delay before it takes effect. Say something on the order of 48 hours, or perhaps a week. That would seem to be a fair solution for both sides. Sort of like giving them notice, with the option available for the person being kicked to make it effective sooner if desired. It also seems more "corporate mentality" and (pardon the phrase) realistic. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 39	Posted - 2012.02.20 15:50:00 - [15] - Quote came here to say pod him but was beaten to it
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 461	Posted - 2012.02.20 16:25:00 - [16] - Quote I propose the following change to the game mechanics: A corp member with the power to kick can put in a Kick Order. If the player is in space, the order is not carried out, but remains in the system "pending the member docking or logging off". As soon as the member does one of those things, the member is automatically kicked. Of course down time logs everyone, so that will activate all pending Kick Orders. I am running for the CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 111	Posted - 2012.02.20 16:31:00 - [17] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: came here to say pod him but was beaten to it One of many reasons I think cloaking should be balanced. Someone like me that has no problem being up for downtime would be impossible to kick. I log in, cloak up in a safespot, wait for downtime. Servers go down, I start spamming the login button until the servers come up, soon as they do I'm in space and I cloak up again. Nobody can ever find me. Unless their CEO has the time to stay up and spam the login button as well, I'm not getting kicked. Even then it's a question of if he can get in and get through the CEO menu to kick me fast enough before I'm in game and in space again (probably not). It's a really annoying grief tactic I had used against my last corp. The only thing you can do is add him to watchlist, wait for his internet to randomly disconnect him one day, and then kick him.
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1	Posted - 2012.02.20 17:39:00 - [18] - Quote Headerman wrote: Hi all, Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up? A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer? I just confirmed this with several alts, and as long as the character in question does not have any roles (assigned or derived from an assigned title), you may kick them in space - even while they're still logged in. This is mostly used on people corp killing, while they're in the middle of the gank. Since they're already engaged against what was a legal target (since they're in corp), and they don't get an aggression timer (since they're in corp), once they're kicked they get auto-CONCORDed without a warning. Fantastic game design right there folks... EDIT: If I'm not mistaken this ability was put in either in Incursion or Incarna, I forget which. Either way, it was within the last year or so.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 464	Posted - 2012.02.20 18:27:00 - [19] - Quote Adriel Malakai wrote: Headerman wrote: Hi all, Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up? A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer? I just confirmed this with several alts, and as long as the character in question does not have any roles (assigned or derived from an assigned title), you may kick them in space - even while they're still logged in. This is mostly used on people corp killing, while they're in the middle of the gank. Since they're already engaged against what was a legal target (since they're in corp), and they don't get an aggression timer (since they're in corp), once they're kicked they get auto-CONCORDed without a warning. Fantastic game design right there folks... EDIT: If I'm not mistaken this ability was put in either in Incursion or Incarna, I forget which. Either way, it was within the last year or so. Hmm. So if they do have roles, you remove them, wait a day, then kick? I thought the inability to kick someone while they were in space was due to Wars: you wait for the enemy to call primary on your bait ship, then kick him. Entire enemy fleet gets Concorded. Oops. I am running for the CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 73	Posted - 2012.02.20 18:47:00 - [20] - Quote I recently encountered a scammer, thank you recruiting channel, who joined corp with the intent to scam. When I checked, he was in his pod floating in space in Sobaseki. Once I realized he could not be kicked while he was in space, I was further irritated by this stupid feature. Sure the solution would be to pop him, if finding him was that easy. Can the pod even be scanned down? Not sure didn't try. Nonetheless, the scam was detected from the beginning, and the toon, once called out, shortly destroyed his toon. This just leaves people open to exploit the system the way it is, which does not seem to have any real justification for being there.

Marlona Sky EntroPraetorian Academy EntroPraetorian Aegis 454	Posted - 2012.02.20 18:49:00 - [21] - Quote You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM! Flight of a Thousand Rifters: A Player Event
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 73	Posted - 2012.02.20 18:49:00 - [22] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Adriel Malakai wrote: Headerman wrote: Hi all, Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up? A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer? I just confirmed this with several alts, and as long as the character in question does not have any roles (assigned or derived from an assigned title), you may kick them in space - even while they're still logged in. This is mostly used on people corp killing, while they're in the middle of the gank. Since they're already engaged against what was a legal target (since they're in corp), and they don't get an aggression timer (since they're in corp), once they're kicked they get auto-CONCORDed without a warning. Fantastic game design right there folks... EDIT: If I'm not mistaken this ability was put in either in Incursion or Incarna, I forget which. Either way, it was within the last year or so. Hmm. So if they do have roles, you remove them, wait a day, then kick? I thought the inability to kick someone while they were in space was due to Wars: you wait for the enemy to call primary on your bait ship, then kick him. Entire enemy fleet gets Concorded. Oops. This would make sense then why the feature is there
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 73	Posted - 2012.02.20 18:51:00 - [23] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM! i'm guessing this has something to do with roles then..
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1	Posted - 2012.02.20 19:23:00 - [24] - Quote NOTHING TO SEE HERE
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 7355	Posted - 2012.02.20 20:03:00 - [25] - Quote GM Homonoia wrote: To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis. There is an easy solution. An option to delay kick someone when they next go offline. That way they would be out come next DT. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 998	Posted - 2012.02.20 20:21:00 - [26] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM! I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship) They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 579	Posted - 2012.02.20 20:26:00 - [27] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM! I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship) They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks. I've seen this just recently. Its rather ridiculous, that CCP says we can't yet it is done.
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 615	Posted - 2012.02.20 21:15:00 - [28] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM! I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship) They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks. I've seen this just recently. Its rather ridiculous, that CCP says we can't yet it is done. Sounds good to me, concord lols.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 467	Posted - 2012.02.20 21:37:00 - [29] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: I recently encountered a scammer, thank you recruiting channel, who joined corp with the intent to scam. When I checked, he was in his pod floating in space in Sobaseki. Once I realized he could not be kicked while he was in space, I was further irritated by this stupid feature. Sure the solution would be to pop him, if finding him was that easy. Can the pod even be scanned down? Not sure didn't try. Nonetheless, the scam was detected from the beginning, and the toon, once called out, shortly destroyed his toon. This just leaves people open to exploit the system the way it is, which does not seem to have any real justification for being there. Pods can be scanned. Ive seen two cases where a WT that aggressed tried to avoid destruction by logging, only to have their e-warped pod scanned out and popped. I am running for the CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 35	Posted - 2012.02.20 23:07:00 - [30] - Quote The solution seems simple. Everyone have a group hug. No one is ever kicked from corp....



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