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Paeniteo
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Paeniteo on 09/03/2008 02:18:22
Edited for censoring:
Well I damned well hope it's a typo. Couple of years of hard Amarr suckage and our boost gets nerfed before it hits TQ 
Still, what the Apoc seriously lacks, the Geddon and Abaddon make up for. Would have preferred to see the boost elsewhere to begin with.
I reckon they should've just scrapped the laser<->cap bonus across the board & halved laser cap demands from the get go. That way the "bonus" doesn't completely de-knacker everyone who hasn't got 'X' spaceship command skill to level 5, and at the same time doesn't make those with said skills at 5 any more buff than they already are.
Then nerf our EM damage and boost our Thermal damage proportionally.
/Done fixing laserboats tbqfh.
But if CCP wants to do it the hard way and fix ships on an individual basis, it's their game, they can go play 'trial and error' on SiSi 
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Meridius Dex
Amarr
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:15:00 -
[32]
If this is true, I take back every kind thing I've been saying about the dev team since the patch was announced. I bought and fitted an Apoc just for these changes to make it a viable sniper fleet ship. If they have (once again) given it to Amarr up the cheeks with no lube, then I'll be putting that crappy gold brick right back up on the market.
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:27:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Meridius Dex
If this is true, I take back every kind thing I've been saying about the dev team since the patch was announced. I bought and fitted an Apoc just for these changes to make it a viable sniper fleet ship. If they have (once again) given it to Amarr up the cheeks with no lube, then I'll be putting that crappy gold brick right back up on the market.
pwnd.
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Aeo IV
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:27:00 -
[34]
the best thing to do is to keep the turret and the cap boost.
Or give them boosts to torp range or something, some reason to use those missile hardpoints.
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Rionus
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:35:00 -
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They forgot to add this to the patch notes:
"The Apocalypse will be renamed to the Lolpocalypse"
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Xofii
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:41:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Xofii on 09/03/2008 02:41:37
Making the most fail BS more fail is a good idea because..... Really guys this is a boost. Id like the ccp guy that made this decition explain it. This makes the apoc WORSE wth is up here, i feel like im beeing subjugate to a cruel effin' joke. They fianly make the apoc good the reverse and make it WORSE. Faawwwkk..
*edited for more fail**
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:41:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Apocaloomph!
The sound made when the Apoc has *****ed it's ears up, and then been kicked in the chest...
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BiggestT
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:12:00 -
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What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how *** caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted?
--alternative world where ammar get boost--
The ammar=uber cool and awesome power
The Caldari=uber *** and ****y power..
NERF AMMARR! 
*stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)*
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:17:00 -
[39]
Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone.
Oh well 
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:20:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Lithalnas on 09/03/2008 03:25:14
Originally by: BiggestT
What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how *** caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted?
--alternative world where ammar get boost--
The ammar=uber cool and awesome power
The Caldari=uber *** and ****y power..
NERF AMMARR!
*stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)*
they are nerfing our shine too. its in the patch notes under glow.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:27:00 -
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Well..
1) The test server still has the range bonus
2) The test server is to test things before the release them in a patch
This would suggest the dev notes have a typo in them
HOWEVER .. we are talking CCP here.. so hold on to your hats ladies and get ready for some ranting
SKUNK
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BiggestT
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:30:00 -
[42]
Edited by: BiggestT on 09/03/2008 03:30:40
Originally by: Lithalnas
Edited by: Lithalnas on 09/03/2008 03:25:14
Originally by: BiggestT
What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how *** caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted?
--alternative world where ammar get boost--
The ammar=uber cool and awesome power
The Caldari=uber *** and ****y power..
NERF AMMARR!
*stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)*
they are nerfing our shine too. its in the patch notes under glow.
Then ccp have no soul's...
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:16:00 -
[43]
Either it is a typographical error, or CCP is being very, very cruel to us Amarr pilots.
I say this as a fan of CCP. 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone.
Oh well
Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:44:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone.
Oh well
Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH.
so how does something go on the test server for like a month, and then get changed a day before the patch!?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:50:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone.
Oh well
Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH.
Meanie, reminding me of what my Drake could have been... 
I thought you loved me.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:00:00 -
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I'm sure its a typo, especially since beams have the best tracking of all the long range guns. . .its not exactly a buff even though it could be argued that any change is a good one. . .
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:05:00 -
[48]
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:17:00 -
[49]
To be honest this is a classic example of a post that warrants a Dev response. A simple "It was a typo" would solve a lot of rage being passed around, and I'm sure that's what it is because the devblogs and every Dev communication about the Apoc is talking about it becoming a sniperboat. I can't imagine that they would sneak something different in without even testing it... so why can't CCP just tell us that? The mods are watching every thread for inappropriate content so why can't they just pop in with a quick answer to ease everyone's collective minds?
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:25:00 -
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A typo is, say, spelling turret with a n, turrent. If this is in error it is likely one of miscommunication. That being said this is utterly, utterly disappointing. As an Amarr fan and resident of their space it is a genuine shame that they axed the optimal bonus.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:25:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
To be honest this is a classic example of a post that warrants a Dev response. A simple "It was a typo" would solve a lot of rage being passed around, and I'm sure that's what it is because the devblogs and every Dev communication about the Apoc is talking about it becoming a sniperboat. I can't imagine that they would sneak something different in without even testing it... so why can't CCP just tell us that? The mods are watching every thread for inappropriate content so why can't they just pop in with a quick answer to ease everyone's collective minds?
^^^^^^^^^^ This
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HarderThisTime
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:48:00 -
[52]
Edited by: HarderThisTime on 09/03/2008 07:55:34
Am I missing something?
Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost.
Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals.
Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron.
How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon.
And look at it this way, if you are in a BS sniping fleet, you're gonna wanna be around 120km to 150km out.
If you're in that range, then you don't need a damn range bonus when using aurora crystals. Having a range bonus then does zilch for you.
A fleet sniper's main concern is being able to hit closer targets, as they can already hit the longer range ones with the longer range ammo.
The apoc can now hit closer targets more reliably, and score more wrecking blows around the board.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Am I missing something?
Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost.
Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals.
Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron.
How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon.
The optimal bonus makes it able to do something the other amarr ships cant, also makes the apoc a tasty ship for missions. The tracking bonus is fairly useless, as you said. Tachs have good tracking as it is, so why the tracking bonus?
The best use for it is pulses and they was about to make the apoc into the definitive best amarr beam BS so i dont see why they would ruin it like that. Im guessing its an error, perhaps a tired dev updating the patch info.
I was looking forward to 60km pulses and 20km with multifreq not to menchion something that works well with beams.
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HarderThisTime
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Am I missing something?
Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost.
Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals.
Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron.
How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon.
The optimal bonus makes it able to do something the other amarr ships cant, also makes the apoc a tasty ship for missions. The tracking bonus is fairly useless, as you said. Tachs have good tracking as it is, so why the tracking bonus?
The best use for it is pulses and they was about to make the apoc into the definitive best amarr beam BS so i dont see why they would ruin it like that. Im guessing its an error, perhaps a tired dev updating the patch info.
I was looking forward to 60km pulses and 20km with multifreq not to menchion something that works well with beams.
60km pulses is OP. Laser damage type needs love, but thats ridiculous.
This buff solidifies apoc as the best pulse boat anyways.
People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid.
Consider how you must fit an abaddon and geddon... get it? Need to fit fewer capacitor mods, leaving more room for damage mods and other things.
This is a good buff for the apoc in all situations.
Good buff for pulses, and a much better buff for fleet apocs than a range buff would be.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: HarderThisTime
People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid.
We know this man. But why not have this change from the beggining instead of egging us on with the optimal bonus thats been on SISI for ages?
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:16:00 -
[56]
Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!   
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:16:00 -
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The geddon has no problem fitting 3 damage mods and its tank.
Apoc is going to be a useless ship when in competition with geddon/abaddon.
The cap is useless with close range fits as they mostly fit passive setups and my guns fire just fine.
7.5% tracking over 5% rof or damage? I think i know whats going to be the less favoured bonus for close range fits.
So assuming the tracking bonus goes through its going to be the unexciting useless red headed stepchild battleship with the "ooh its caps nice, it doesnt fit half bad, ooh tracking bonus, i like attempting to shoot small targets without a web." as its redeeming qualities?
Im pretty sure the tracking bonus is an error. Theres no point defending it as a suitable bonus for the apoc. It needs the optimal to be worth using over geddon/abaddon.
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Sosik
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sosik on 09/03/2008 08:24:23
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Am I missing something?
People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid.
Have you considered the fact that (according to the patchnotes) the apoc is losing 25% of its cap recharge? How is cutting a ships base recharge by 25% "keeping everything it has now"?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jvxta
new boost:
# The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl.
old boost:
* Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw)
* Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)
* Bonuses:
o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change)
o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus)
To cite it all:
Quote:
Some ships have been changed as detailed in Fendahl's blog
Quote Fendahl's blog:
Apocalypse:
* Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw)
* Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)
* Bonuses:
o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change)
o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus)
So:
- the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl
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- 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus)
are at odds and only one apply (I hope), but " Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)" is cited in the blog and nothing say it is not applied.
The patch notes have several typos so ask before crying. Even if crying is a ingrained habit for Amarr.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Oregon sinful
It's days like these i'm proud to be gallente... and now i cross train minmatar... because everything else is full of whine and fail.
Deimos + Eos + Myrmidon + Vargur + Muninn.
Count yourself lucky they changed their mind on the deimos change! 
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