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Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:26:00 - [1] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 08/03/2008 23:27:04 Click patchc notes The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. Apoc now gets tracking insted of optimal bonus. Its now back to square 1 of being worst bs . Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:28:00 - [2] pwned _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Skyr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:32:00 - [3] yeah, nice one CCP. THis whole patch is pure crap, boost, what boost? All bug fixes and couple DB entries changed... pffff.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:33:00 - [4] Apocaloomph! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:36:00 - [5] Have we had a threadnaught about this yet? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 08/03/2008 23:39:03 http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=537 Erm? Originally by: "Patch Notes" The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. They are at odds. Sigh. -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
Skyr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:39:00 - [7] test server still lists optimal bonus, I think patch notes might have a typo.
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:42:00 - [8] Wow. Some long-deserved improvements for Amarr. Very nice. Good work CCP. Hey OP read Liang's link. Yeah I think Amarr in general needs a little buffage. Especially since I'm training it now :-)
BlackHorizon Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:48:00 - [9] Edited by: BlackHorizon on 08/03/2008 23:48:12 Good. The optimal bonus was overpowered, especially with pulses. I was able to obtain an optimal range of 220km with Mega Pulse II on Sisi. It instapwnd anything bigger than an interceptor, and most interceptors died too.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.08 23:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Skyr yeah, nice one CCP. THis whole patch is pure crap, boost, what boost? All bug fixes and couple DB entries changed... pffff. QFT. They dont fix pilgrim and now they are ******* up apoc aswell. Why the hell do they listen to the gallente whine squad and revoke the planned deimos change but dont even mention the apoc turning into crapoc again anywhere? gg ccp I friggin hope thats a typo. Overpowered my azz, if that has any importance you can start removing the 5th turret on eagle because THATS overpowered. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:01:00 - [11] Actually, I'm not seeing the cap increase as well. As it looks now, it loses its cap advantage for extra tracking and some fitting boosts. Thanks for nothing. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:08:00 - [12] Problem: Amarr ships suck. Solution: Fly something else. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Skyr test server still lists optimal bonus, I think patch notes might have a typo. "As always, note that these changes are subject to change based on further testing." It might not.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:17:00 - [14] Tracking boost is much more deadly when you think about it. Mega Pulse II w/ Scorch with 37.5% naturally better tracking...? ...
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Zeba on 09/03/2008 00:18:58 Wait what? The optimal bonus is gone? Bugger.. Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tracking boost is much more deadly when you think about it. Mega Pulse II w/ Scorch with 37.5% naturally better tracking...? Yeah but 350 dps at sniping range was gonna rock. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tracking boost is much more deadly when you think about it. Mega Pulse II w/ Scorch with 37.5% naturally better tracking...? Has worse tracking than any large gun even with boost. In fact, loosing the cap bonus makes the apoc useless now. Even worse than the old apoc. Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:30:00 - [17] just when i thought the apoc was going to get a roll. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
mothermoon2	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Agil TradeAlt Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tracking boost is much more deadly when you think about it. Mega Pulse II w/ Scorch with 37.5% naturally better tracking...? Has worse tracking than any large gun even with boost. In fact, loosing the cap bonus makes the apoc useless now. Even worse than the old apoc. why don't people read before posting, I mean really, don't comment on anything if you don't know what the hell your talking about! they aren't ***** over the apoc by giving it a tracking bonus, the only way they could ** it over would be to giuve it a bad bonus that hurts you. The old cap bonus is now built into the apoc, the apoc has 25% more cap base than before, meaning it's not losing it's cap bonus. it is in fact going to have 3 bonus, and yet you whine.
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:42:00 - [19] Originally by: mothermoon2 Originally by: Agil TradeAlt Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tracking boost is much more deadly when you think about it. Mega Pulse II w/ Scorch with 37.5% naturally better tracking...? Has worse tracking than any large gun even with boost. In fact, loosing the cap bonus makes the apoc useless now. Even worse than the old apoc. why don't people read before posting, I mean really, don't comment on anything if you don't know what the hell your talking about! they aren't ***** over the apoc by giving it a tracking bonus, the only way they could it over would be to giuve it a bad bonus that hurts you. The old cap bonus is now built into the apoc, the apoc has 25% more cap base than before, meaning it's not losing it's cap bonus. it is in fact going to have 3 bonus, and yet you whine. Nope. The cap bonus is being removed. Otherwise it owuld be a genuine bonus. Read patch bonus. It will have 25% less base cap as base cap is remaining unchanged, unlike the Sisi version. Originally by:** CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
gfldex Kabelkopp	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:50:00 - [20] I would like to point out that a patch note is just a piece of text. Would not be the first time to have a mistake in there. Not a reason to not lynch the person that wrote it tho. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.09 00:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Agil TradeAlt Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 08/03/2008 23:27:04 Click patchc notes The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. Apoc now gets tracking insted of optimal bonus. Its now back to square 1 of being worst bs . Been flying Amarr for three years and I think this is an awesome boost. ================================================== Hi Mods. Can you please write something in my sig? I wanna be cool too.
Xofii	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:08:00 - [22] Changes are so full of fail its terrible ;( WHy OH why???? seriously these changes make the apoc worse tha before. Im trying to swallow my gall but I have lost all confidence in ccp's ba÷ncing team, perhaps the new sniping apoc was a bit too imba, but then go one of the other 9000+ ideas thats been discussed, torp.apoc, drone-apoc, neut-apoc not this abhorrence... //Xofii
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:16:00 - [23] Oh wow,ccp if this is true you guys ****** up. The apoc was used as a sniper due to its ability to fit tachs and use them,giving it an optimal adds to its sniping ability and I applaud this boost....However when you swap it with tracking?This means it cant use tachs as good as before or outperform the geddon with megabeam so its not null and void as a sniper. Ccp,please keep the optimal bonus,it isnt overpowered....If it was wouldnt that mean the rokh would be even more overpowered?No,because it isnt. Why titans shouldnt be in nano gangs.
Jvxta Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:34:00 - [24] I'm not really sure wether the apoc boost was close to overpowered or not earlier, but this new "boost", its worse off than before :( How can you make the worst BS even MORE FAIL. If this isnt a misstake in the patchnotes its so abhorrent ive lost all fate in ccp balancing. Shape up dudes... disappointment //Jv
mothermoon2	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Jvxta I'm not really sure wether the apoc boost was close to overpowered or not earlier, but this new "boost", its worse off than before :( How can you make the worst BS even MORE FAIL. If this isnt a misstake in the patchnotes its so abhorrent ive lost all fate in ccp balancing. Shape up dudes... disappointment //Jv what are you talking about it got it's cap increased by 25! ignorance misinformation either one must be at work, the apoc has 3 bonus now, it's a sweet ship.
Jvxta Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:39:00 - [26] Not according to patchnotes? //Jv
Jvxta Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:41:00 - [27] new boost: # The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. old boost: * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus)
mothermoon2	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Jvxta Not according to patchnotes? //Jv well I just asuming it's poorly written as a sisi *****. I mean even if they changed the range bonus they would take out the cap increase... would they?
Jvxta Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 01:49:00 - [29] I'm just emo-raging hoping this is a misstake. But since we are even entertaining the idea that theyd remove the inherrent cap bonus + optimal for a trcking bonus makes me scared. Still not sure the tracking bonus will ever make much of a diff tbh. Unless they make it hit 3-5kms cruisers with mwd its pointless.
dj lightning Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:01:00 - [30] Well done CCPENNIS now we have 3 close range BS with cap issues thx alot.
Paeniteo Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:15:00 - [31] Edited by: Paeniteo on 09/03/2008 02:18:22 Edited for censoring: Well I damned well hope it's a typo. Couple of years of hard Amarr suckage and our boost gets nerfed before it hits TQ Still, what the Apoc seriously lacks, the Geddon and Abaddon make up for. Would have preferred to see the boost elsewhere to begin with. I reckon they should've just scrapped the laser<->cap bonus across the board & halved laser cap demands from the get go. That way the "bonus" doesn't completely de-knacker everyone who hasn't got 'X' spaceship command skill to level 5, and at the same time doesn't make those with said skills at 5 any more buff than they already are. Then nerf our EM damage and boost our Thermal damage proportionally. /Done fixing laserboats tbqfh. But if CCP wants to do it the hard way and fix ships on an individual basis, it's their game, they can go play 'trial and error' on SiSi
Meridius Dex Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:15:00 - [32] If this is true, I take back every kind thing I've been saying about the dev team since the patch was announced. I bought and fitted an Apoc just for these changes to make it a viable sniper fleet ship. If they have (once again) given it to Amarr up the cheeks with no lube, then I'll be putting that crappy gold brick right back up on the market. -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Meridius Dex If this is true, I take back every kind thing I've been saying about the dev team since the patch was announced. I bought and fitted an Apoc just for these changes to make it a viable sniper fleet ship. If they have (once again) given it to Amarr up the cheeks with no lube, then I'll be putting that crappy gold brick right back up on the market. pwnd. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Aeo IV Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:27:00 - [34] the best thing to do is to keep the turret and the cap boost. Or give them boosts to torp range or something, some reason to use those missile hardpoints.
Rionus	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:35:00 - [35] They forgot to add this to the patch notes: "The Apocalypse will be renamed to the Lolpocalypse"
Xofii	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:41:00 - [36] Edited by: Xofii on 09/03/2008 02:41:37 Making the most fail BS more fail is a good idea because..... Really guys this is a boost. Id like the ccp guy that made this decition explain it. This makes the apoc WORSE wth is up here, i feel like im beeing subjugate to a cruel effin' joke. They fianly make the apoc good the reverse and make it WORSE. Faawwwkk.. edited for more fail*
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2008.03.09 02:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Apocaloomph! The sound made when the Apoc has *****ed it's ears up, and then been kicked in the chest... A new tool in the fight for balance?
BiggestT	Posted - 2008.03.09 03:12:00 - [38] What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how * caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted? --alternative world where ammar get boost-- The ammar=uber cool and awesome power The Caldari=uber * and ***y power.. NERF AMMARR! stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)*
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.09 03:17:00 - [39] Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone. Oh well ...
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.03.09 03:20:00 - [40] Edited by: Lithalnas on 09/03/2008 03:25:14 Originally by: BiggestT What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how * caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted? --alternative world where ammar get boost-- The ammar=uber cool and awesome power The Caldari=uber * and ***y power.. NERF AMMARR! stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)* they are nerfing our shine too. its in the patch notes under glow. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.03.09 03:27:00 - [41] Well.. 1) The test server still has the range bonus 2) The test server is to test things before the release them in a patch This would suggest the dev notes have a typo in them HOWEVER .. we are talking CCP here.. so hold on to your hats ladies and get ready for some ranting SKUNK
BiggestT	Posted - 2008.03.09 03:30:00 - [42] Edited by: BiggestT on 09/03/2008 03:30:40 Originally by: Lithalnas Edited by: Lithalnas on 09/03/2008 03:25:14 Originally by: BiggestT What are u ammar complaning about?! your ships are shiny! Id gladly swap my fugly mofo raven for an apoc if i had my time again, the shininess factor means ammar have to be underpowered or theyd be the uber race of eve, imagine how * caldari would be if ammar got the changes they wanted? --alternative world where ammar get boost-- The ammar=uber cool and awesome power The Caldari=uber * and ***y power.. NERF AMMARR! stfu ne1 who picks me up on typos for ammar spelling x)* they are nerfing our shine too. its in the patch notes under glow. Then ccp have no soul's...
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.03.09 06:16:00 - [43] Either it is a typographical error, or CCP is being very, very cruel to us Amarr pilots. I say this as a fan of CCP. --------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.09 06:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone. Oh well Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.09 06:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Rawr Cristina Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone. Oh well Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH. so how does something go on the test server for like a month, and then get changed a day before the patch!?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.09 06:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Rawr Cristina Sortof reminds me when CCP changed the Hyperion's Mass Reduction bonus for an Armour tanking bonus at the last mintute, annoying the hell out of everyone. Oh well Yeah. Remember when the Drake had its ROF bonus and 7 launchers forever on sisi then days before it was going live they changed it to 6 launchers and a kinetic bonus. (granted they caved and added the 7th launcher back) I think CCP likes to grief the playerbase with these things TBQFH. Meanie, reminding me of what my Drake could have been... I thought you loved me. ...
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:00:00 - [47] I'm sure its a typo, especially since beams have the best tracking of all the long range guns. . .its not exactly a buff even though it could be argued that any change is a good one. . . ----
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:05:00 - [48] Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:17:00 - [49] To be honest this is a classic example of a post that warrants a Dev response. A simple "It was a typo" would solve a lot of rage being passed around, and I'm sure that's what it is because the devblogs and every Dev communication about the Apoc is talking about it becoming a sniperboat. I can't imagine that they would sneak something different in without even testing it... so why can't CCP just tell us that? The mods are watching every thread for inappropriate content so why can't they just pop in with a quick answer to ease everyone's collective minds?
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:25:00 - [50] A typo is, say, spelling turret with a n, turrent. If this is in error it is likely one of miscommunication. That being said this is utterly, utterly disappointing. As an Amarr fan and resident of their space it is a genuine shame that they axed the optimal bonus.
Meridius Dex Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim To be honest this is a classic example of a post that warrants a Dev response. A simple "It was a typo" would solve a lot of rage being passed around, and I'm sure that's what it is because the devblogs and every Dev communication about the Apoc is talking about it becoming a sniperboat. I can't imagine that they would sneak something different in without even testing it... so why can't CCP just tell us that? The mods are watching every thread for inappropriate content so why can't they just pop in with a quick answer to ease everyone's collective minds? ^^^^^^^^^^ This -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting
HarderThisTime	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:48:00 - [52] Edited by: HarderThisTime on 09/03/2008 07:55:34 Am I missing something? Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost. Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals. Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron. How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon. And look at it this way, if you are in a BS sniping fleet, you're gonna wanna be around 120km to 150km out. If you're in that range, then you don't need a damn range bonus when using aurora crystals. Having a range bonus then does zilch for you. A fleet sniper's main concern is being able to hit closer targets, as they can already hit the longer range ones with the longer range ammo. The apoc can now hit closer targets more reliably, and score more wrecking blows around the board.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.09 07:54:00 - [53] Originally by: HarderThisTime Am I missing something? Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost. Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals. Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron. How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon. The optimal bonus makes it able to do something the other amarr ships cant, also makes the apoc a tasty ship for missions. The tracking bonus is fairly useless, as you said. Tachs have good tracking as it is, so why the tracking bonus? The best use for it is pulses and they was about to make the apoc into the definitive best amarr beam BS so i dont see why they would ruin it like that. Im guessing its an error, perhaps a tired dev updating the patch info. I was looking forward to 60km pulses and 20km with multifreq not to menchion something that works well with beams.
HarderThisTime	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:05:00 - [54] Originally by: X99 Z990 Originally by: HarderThisTime Am I missing something? Tachyons have really good tracking, now + tracking boost. Can fit 8 on an apoc and sustain cap w/ 8x tachyons using aurora crystals. Its basically an amarrian megathron. You know, the ship that everyone considers the ultimate sniper BS. So now amarr have the geddon, the abaddon, and a laserthron. How is this a bad change? Now it is a good fleet sniper option. Its got better range and tracking than the geddon, and is cheaper and much more sustainable than an abaddon. The optimal bonus makes it able to do something the other amarr ships cant, also makes the apoc a tasty ship for missions. The tracking bonus is fairly useless, as you said. Tachs have good tracking as it is, so why the tracking bonus? The best use for it is pulses and they was about to make the apoc into the definitive best amarr beam BS so i dont see why they would ruin it like that. Im guessing its an error, perhaps a tired dev updating the patch info. I was looking forward to 60km pulses and 20km with multifreq not to menchion something that works well with beams. 60km pulses is OP. Laser damage type needs love, but thats ridiculous. This buff solidifies apoc as the best pulse boat anyways. People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid. Consider how you must fit an abaddon and geddon... get it? Need to fit fewer capacitor mods, leaving more room for damage mods and other things. This is a good buff for the apoc in all situations. Good buff for pulses, and a much better buff for fleet apocs than a range buff would be.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:08:00 - [55] Originally by: HarderThisTime People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid. We know this man. But why not have this change from the beggining instead of egging us on with the optimal bonus thats been on SISI for ages? --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:16:00 - [56] Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:16:00 - [57] The geddon has no problem fitting 3 damage mods and its tank. Apoc is going to be a useless ship when in competition with geddon/abaddon. The cap is useless with close range fits as they mostly fit passive setups and my guns fire just fine. 7.5% tracking over 5% rof or damage? I think i know whats going to be the less favoured bonus for close range fits. So assuming the tracking bonus goes through its going to be the unexciting useless red headed stepchild battleship with the "ooh its caps nice, it doesnt fit half bad, ooh tracking bonus, i like attempting to shoot small targets without a web." as its redeeming qualities? Im pretty sure the tracking bonus is an error. Theres no point defending it as a suitable bonus for the apoc. It needs the optimal to be worth using over geddon/abaddon.
Sosik Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:21:00 - [58] Edited by: Sosik on 09/03/2008 08:24:23 Originally by: HarderThisTime Originally by: X99 Z990 Originally by: HarderThisTime Am I missing something? People please realize that the apoc is essentially keeping everything it has now, but gaining much better tracking and more powergrid. Have you considered the fact that (according to the patchnotes) the apoc is losing 25% of its cap recharge? How is cutting a ships base recharge by 25% "keeping everything it has now"?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Jvxta new boost: # The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. old boost: * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) To cite it all: Quote: Some ships have been changed as detailed in Fendahl's blog Quote Fendahl's blog: Apocalypse: * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) So: - the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl and - 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) are at odds and only one apply (I hope), but " Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)" is cited in the blog and nothing say it is not applied. The patch notes have several typos so ask before crying. Even if crying is a ingrained habit for Amarr.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Oregon sinful It's days like these i'm proud to be gallente... and now i cross train minmatar... because everything else is full of whine and fail. Deimos + Eos + Myrmidon + Vargur + Muninn. Count yourself lucky they changed their mind on the deimos change!
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Oregon sinful It's days like these i'm proud to be gallente... and now i cross train minmatar... because everything else is full of whine and fail. Really? Cause I would fly anything BUT Gallente right now ...
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:43:00 - [62] This needs clarification as the patchnotes and blog are not that clear, but I read it as: New Apocalypse: - Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) - Capacitor capacity: 7500en (1500 more than current) - Bonuses: 1: 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level 2: 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl The 1500 extra cap built in is the same as the bonus applied by Amarr BS lvl5 previously. This is not too bad. Not as sniperlicious as on sisi but still not too bad. Originally by: Kindakrof there is no gravity in space
Trind2222 Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:48:00 - [63] One solution is to build in the -50% To Large energy turret and give it 5 % damage bonus pr lvl. But the problem is that is like the mega whit pulse lasers.
Hitme Harder HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2008.03.09 08:55:00 - [64] My god. People. Listen. Read the F'ing notes. The capacitor capacity bonus from Amarr BS skill is being removed. Apoc gains 25% more capacitor. (thats 7500 capacitor capacity) Apoc gains 7.5% tracking per Amarr BS skill level. Its pretty F'ing clear. AREN'T THEY ADORABLE?
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 09:06:00 - [65] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 09:08:56 Originally by: Hitme Harder My god. People. Listen. Read the F'ing notes. The capacitor capacity bonus from Amarr BS skill is being removed. Apoc gains 25% more capacitor. (thats 7500 capacitor capacity) Apoc gains 7.5% tracking per Amarr BS skill level. Its pretty F'ing clear. Nope. patch noes do not confirm 1500 cap increase for apoc. The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. Read - the 5% cap is no longer there. You are assuming that they are giving oyu an extra 25% cap when they clearly say otherwise. CCP always confirm a +1500 cap increase in patch notes if that is what they are doing Remember the drake - they nerfed the drake moments before it was released. On Sisi, it had ROF bonus as well. Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 09:26:00 - [66] It's a typo. Test server still reflect the "good changes" ________________________________________
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.09 09:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Agil TradeAlt Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 09:08:56 Originally by: Hitme Harder My god. People. Listen. Read the F'ing notes. The capacitor capacity bonus from Amarr BS skill is being removed. Apoc gains 25% more capacitor. (thats 7500 capacitor capacity) Apoc gains 7.5% tracking per Amarr BS skill level. Its pretty F'ing clear. Nope. patch noes do not confirm 1500 cap increase for apoc. The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. Read - the 5% cap is no longer there. You are assuming that they are giving oyu an extra 25% cap when they clearly say otherwise. CCP always confirm a +1500 cap increase in patch notes if that is what they are doing Remember the drake - they nerfed the drake moments before it was released. On Sisi, it had ROF bonus as well. You assume and she assume, so why don't you ask in the patch notes comment thread? If you read the whole patch notes it say: Quote: Some ships have been changed as detailed in Fendahl's blog Quote Fendahl's blog: Apocalypse: * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) So: - the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl and - 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) are at odds and only one apply (I hope), but " Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)" is cited in the blog and nothing say it is not applied.
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 09:34:00 - [68] Originally by: Venkul Mul You assume and she assume, so why don't you ask in the patch notes comment thread? If you read the whole patch notes it say: Quote: Some ships have been changed as detailed in Fendahl's blog Quote Fendahl's blog: Apocalypse: * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) So: - the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl and - 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) are at odds and only one apply (I hope), but " Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)" is cited in the blog and nothing say it is not applied. CCP have never in the history of eve given a ship a bonus without telling players about it. Never. The * Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) Is now changed to [red]* Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) * Bonuses: o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) [red] I dont see it saying that new apoc gets +25% base cap like the dev blog. So if this happens, new apoc is worse than the old apoc. Lol Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:01:00 - [69] It's clearly a simple typo. It'll get the cap increase to compensate te removed cap bonus allright. In the mean time, please stop whining. The optimal range bonus wasn't particularly balanced with regard to pulses, and CCP realised that this was just not right. Sure, tracking isn't sexy, but it works fine. [center] Old blog
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:05:00 - [70] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 10:05:24 Originally by: Rod Blaine It's clearly a simple typo. It'll get the cap increase to compensate te removed cap bonus allright. In the mean time, please stop whining. The optimal range bonus wasn't particularly balanced with regard to pulses, and CCP realised that this was just not right. Sure, tracking isn't sexy, but it works fine. The issue wasent optimal, since rokh has more range. heck, Rokh has 30km blasters, and has 100km+ with railgun/antimater easaly. If that is not unbalanced, I dont know what is! Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:18:00 - [71] How much sense does it make for them to put the optimal bonus Apoc onto Sisi, and then change what we get on TQ without even putting it on Sisi first? The only logical conclusion is that it is indeed a typo. Then again it is CCP, and they were never very partial to logic... And of course, with a tracking bonus the Apoc will not be any less sucky than it is now, so no need for testing :( There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:22:00 - [72] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/03/2008 10:24:22 Originally by: Agil TradeAlt Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 10:05:24 Originally by: Rod Blaine It's clearly a simple typo. It'll get the cap increase to compensate te removed cap bonus allright. In the mean time, please stop whining. The optimal range bonus wasn't particularly balanced with regard to pulses, and CCP realised that this was just not right. Sure, tracking isn't sexy, but it works fine. The issue wasent optimal, since rokh has more range. heck, Rokh has 30km blasters, and has 100km+ with railgun/antimater easaly. If that is not unbalanced, I dont know what is! 30km blasters using t2 ammo with a hefty penalty. Not like the already existing 60km pulses with t2 ammo with a non-issue penalty, right ? This comes down to the same argument as we had with the pre-nerf megapulses on the geddon. You can't have short range weaponry covering medium to long range distances with good damage AND good tracking on a ship that can either also tank or has damage bonuses as well. Megapulses on apoc with +7.5% optimal = way too much range at high damage, with tank and no drawback. [center] Old blog
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:35:00 - [73] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 10:37:39 Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 10:36:17 Originally by: Rod Blaine 30km blasters using t2 ammo with a hefty penalty. Not like the already existing 60km pulses with t2 ammo with a non-issue penalty, right ? This comes down to the same argument as we had with the pre-nerf megapulses on the geddon. You can't have short range weaponry covering medium to long range distances with good damage AND good tracking on a ship that can either also tank or has damage bonuses as well. Megapulses on apoc with +7.5% optimal = way too much range at high damage, with tank and no drawback. Short range is scrambler range. Outside of scrambler range, the enemy will warp out. If you shoot someone at 50km, they will simply warp out unless they are bugged or lagged out. Only game server bugs are the reason why to fit a ship to fight at those ranges. Before you say "Tackler" or "bubble", I can say "smartbomber" or "instalocking anti-tackler" to defeat the "what if" argument that is sure to come up. Outside of game bugs, there is no reason to fight at 50-80 km with Apoc, when a Rokh can spew antimater at 100-120km+. Both requires unrealistic fitouts, but both can do it. In a sniper fight, most people fight at 150-160km. Allowing another 10-15km for aligning on top. A Pulse apoc lacks these ranges. Most bob ships I see are fitted for long range and carry short range ammo in cargo to cover the "mid range" pvp as you call it. I dont see any bob losses with ships fitted for mid range at all, like you are suggesting with the apoc. However, a Blaster rokh can hit 30km, and penelty is not much at that range, and with scrams being 24km, that means the blaster rokh pilot is superior to the pulse apoc pilot. But game balance is more than just range, and currenty the megathron is too good a sniper ship and a close range ship. It should be the one that is rebalanced downwards, not the apoc. Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:40:00 - [74] The blaster rokh cant web at 30km tho, nor does it do that much more damage at that range then the apoc pilot will. And 1v1 arguments = fail [center] Old blog
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:43:00 - [75] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 09/03/2008 10:43:27 Quote: planned ship balancing changes reported by CCP Fendahl \| 2008.02.02 06:28:17 http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=537 still says: Quote: Apocalypse: Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw) Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%) Bonuses: 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change) 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus) but http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp says: Quote: The Apocalypse gains +5tf and +1000mw, the capacitor capacity bonus has been replaced by a 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Amarr Battleship Skill lvl. and: Quote: Some ships have been changed as detailed in Fendahl's blog and Jump freighters have been improved as detailed in Nozh's Blog Hope the patchnotes are typos :(. Range bonus = realy interesting mission ship if fitted with mega pulse (~50km max range with tracking cpu +script}. Traking bonus = not worth to buy one as the Geddon has better damage, better drone bay, better tank (+1 lowslot)
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:49:00 - [76] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 09/03/2008 10:52:34 Originally by: Rod Blaine The blaster rokh cant web at 30km tho, nor does it do that much more damage at that range then the apoc pilot will. And 1v1 arguments = fail I compleatly agree, and apoc cannot web at 80km either. Thats why I said both are unrealistic. 1v1 arguments are = fail as well, as I dont see anyone taking the fitting off a long range apoc and puttin on pulse for mid range at all. I mean, and lets be honest here, how many Amarr bob pilots are going to drop 150-160km+ snipers to refit to 80-100km ships with pulse? I dont see it happening when you guys can use faction ammo to hit at below 150km. Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:50:00 - [77] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 09/03/2008 10:51:21 Current SiSi build (4.10.51011) which links to the trinity 1.1 patchnotes and seems to contain all the changes presented there. (including text changes, color changes etc)has the Apoc listed as having the +1500 Cap change and still has the range bonus listed in the ships description.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Rod Blaine 30km blasters using t2 ammo with a hefty penalty. Not like the already existing 60km pulses with t2 ammo with a non-issue penalty, right ? Scorch has a tracking penalty just like null. Null also has falloff penalty too but well not sure if thats what you referring to?! Originally by: Rod Blaine Megapulses on apoc with +7.5% optimal = way too much range at high damage, with tank and no drawback. And a tracking bonus will not help the current apoc. Its subpar as a pulse boat for a lot of reasons and 1000pg, 5tf and a tracking bonus won't change that one bit. As a sniper tracking isnt the problem of this ships so why do you think that bonus will work fine? Apart from that i seriously think its a typo. I mean i was worried if the bonus isn't too much and that they would cut it down further. But removing it for a utility bonus the weekend before the patch? Also not updating the dev blog as they did with the retracted deimos change? Well i guess i have to wait and see...

GM Ytterbium	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:56:00 - [79] I can't be 100% certain of it unfortunately, but I am pretty sure the "tracking" bonus in the patch notes is a typo. I will contact proper authorities to have this sorted out as soon as possible. In the meantime, please avoid to sacrifice innocent CCP staff to the nerf gods, I like to do that myself Apologies for the confusion.

Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.09 10:57:00 - [80] well, it'll be pve heaven, thats for sure. [center] Old blog
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.03.09 11:08:00 - [81] Originally by: GM Ytterbium I can't be 100% certain of it unfortunately, but I am pretty sure the "tracking" bonus in the patch notes is a typo. I will contact proper authorities to have this sorted out as soon as possible. In the meantime, please avoid to sacrifice innocent CCP staff to the nerf gods, I like to do that myself Apologies for the confusion. We demand 1) Immediate suspension of gourmet sandwich rights from the the 'typo' transgressie. 2) DR EGOGOGOG (or whatever his name is) to conduct a 90 page yawn fest analysis of typos by CCP staff. 3) An immediate and comprehensive search for the missing 'new player experiment' players who disapeared mysteriously from eve tv, and were never mentioned again. If this is not done.. i will have no option but to contact the much vaunted (and publicised in the new york times by the CCP CEO) players council to look into it.... whats that.... NO PLAYERS COUNCIL YET EXISTS!!!!!! ITS A TARP!!!! SKUNK
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 11:17:00 - [82] Originally by: Rod Blaine well, it'll be pve heaven, thats for sure. Raven is PvE haven currently Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.09 11:25:00 - [83] There are multiple typographical errors in the patch notes. "A number of modules had their correct restored" "The Small Hu" "Player Own Structures" "the Mannoth model" "donÆt overlapping the overview" "Windows that where closed" So yeah, it does seem likely that the apoc bonus is another error. Maybe CCP should get into the habit of employing and using proofreaders? Looks like about 50% of the fixes in this patch are fixes to typographical errors in the client, it might even save you guys some time/money ;) ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.09 11:53:00 - [84] Originally by: HarderThisTime 60km pulses is OP. Why? Zealot has opti bonus on its pulses, is that OP too? No it just makes them dominate MID RANGE. There is no problem with that.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.03.09 12:29:00 - [85] After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not.

X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.09 12:34:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. drool You... you... actually fixed... the apoc! :O 3 good amarr battleships now! :]
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.09 12:38:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. Hurray for ccp starts to dismantle the guillotine -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.09 12:38:00 - [88] All this needs now is JoJo explaining why the Apoc will still be inferior to a Tristan. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.03.09 12:39:00 - [89] sigh /me heads off to release the hostages. Take your time lads, making changes to content and database at once is tricky business, more caffeine to the Q&A dungeon if you please. PS: Loving the folders in market quickbar on SiSi - wicked nice for us shopaholics :D
Jvxta Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.09 13:28:00 - [90] phew This was a real scare tbh. Still nice info coming rather quickly, applauds //Jvxta
shaunc Dark and Light inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 13:46:00 - [91] ..........so is anyone actually going to apologise to the poor old devs then? I have no sig :(

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:00:00 - [92] Originally by: shaunc ..........so is anyone actually going to apologise to the poor old devs then? Now you're just being silly I was going to come into work later on anyway to watch the tourney, coming in a few hours earlier to make sure the forums don't spiral into chaos due to a minor misunderstanding... eh, part of the job I guess

Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:05:00 - [93] The tracking bonus typo in the patch notes was just a joke, right? You guys wanted to see us scream and squeal.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:16:00 - [94] This thread was pretty laffo tbh It's good to know the Amarr crowd can still summon a 3 page whine in under 12 hours
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:19:00 - [95] So..er, what about that black khanid navy omen? Gonna keep pestering you now till we see it in game Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:30:00 - [96] Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 09/03/2008 14:30:52 Originally by: Antodias This thread was pretty laffo tbh It's good to know the Amarr crowd can still summon a 3 page whine in under 12 hours 12 hours! dammit, we are slipping .. It's Sunday - everybody should take the blue pill, put their feet on up and enjoy the day, Catastrophe was averted once again by our ever diligent DEV's. Suggestion for next time: Install a filter that prevents posting anything if the message contains more than 5 spelling errors, it won't stop the whines but should slow it down - think of it as a nano-nerf to the forum :D Edit: I second the Khanid Omen request drool
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.09 14:33:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.03.09 15:00:00 - [98] Originally by: Franga Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? No, "yea" is an affirmation, "ye" is a second person pronoun

Yao Shiu	Posted - 2008.03.09 15:11:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Franga Originally by: CCP Greyscale Panic ye not. I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? No, "yea" is an affirmation, "ye" is a second person pronoun CCP Greyscale strikes Franga wrecking for OMGWTFPWN grammar damage
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.09 15:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Antodias This thread was pretty laffo tbh It's good to know the Amarr crowd can still summon a 3 page whine in under 12 hours The force is still strong with us old man. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Ardvaark Ratnik	Posted - 2008.03.09 15:17:00 - [101] I hear-by apologize to CCP. removes needles and nasty things from the CCP voodoo dolls All the psychic scars from this should heal in time. Have a day
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.03.09 15:20:00 - [102] i would apologizes but if you take away the shinyness of amarr ships with your glow/texture fix... i can rabble some more. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Elisa Day Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.09 20:07:00 - [103] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida PS: Loving the folders in market quickbar on SiSi - wicked nice for us shopaholics :D O.o! That wasn't in the patch notes... Was it? \o/ Party in either case .
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:31:00 - [104] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 09/03/2008 21:31:28 Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. <3 Originally by: Kindakrof there is no gravity in space
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.09 23:07:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: shaunc ..........so is anyone actually going to apologise to the poor old devs then? Now you're just being silly I was going to come into work later on anyway to watch the tourney, coming in a few hours earlier to make sure the forums don't spiral into chaos due to a minor misunderstanding... eh, part of the job I guess Cheers man, great stuff on the communication. Any longer and we would have thought the Illuminati was involved Just out of interst, is the Navy Apoc going to be given the same fix in the next patch after the boost patch is settled? Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.03.10 02:01:00 - [106] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Apocaloomph! I LMAOed ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.10 03:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Originally by: Roy Batty68 Apocaloomph! I LMAOed Me too but tbh I think noone will be laughing at the receiving end of an Apocs broadside after the patch. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:55:00 - [108] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Franga Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? No, "yea" is an affirmation, "ye" is a second person pronoun It would appear that I have been corrected. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:42:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. dammm ... now I need to find a way to stop the boat carrying that nuke to Iceland. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:33:00 - [110] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/03/2008 13:33:57 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Frange I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? No, "yea" is an affirmation, "ye" is a second person pronoun Damnnn you speak me 1st language better then me do. Maybe I should have gone to Iceland for grammer school. Originally by: Takeshi Yamato The tracking bonus typo in the patch notes was just a joke, right? You guys wanted to see us scream and squeal. Plus if I was watching the EVE tourney and drinking gin and tonics and getting a bit frosty, I would probably find myself playing ewbile little and change a little text around in patch notes to see the players get churned into a little frenzy. This is just an obsevation of watching the commentary on the EVE tourney. ALL !'s SIGN HERE and the reason for this is as follows The Server Issue ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
Lucre STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:25:00 - [111] Okay, so that's a call off on the restless lynch mob on the Apoc optimal... ... however keep them around as we still need that matching fix on the Navy Apoc! (Does it really matter if it's going to be readdressed during factional warfare? Why leave the ship lame for several - or many - months when it's surely not that hard a change to implement?)
Reiker Struvian Caldari Phoenix Aeronautics	Posted - 2008.03.10 23:28:00 - [112] You guys all realise this little patch note 'typo' was to draw your attention away from the fact that the navy apoc will not be receiving the bonuses at all, allowing them to make you feel grateful for anything, and forget the issue of how a navy ship will be worse than its base.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.10 23:34:00 - [113] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 10/03/2008 23:34:54 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Franga Originally by: CCP Greyscale After talking to Ytterbium and the QA guys (who are doing an awesome job right now), checking both SiSi and our internal development server, and consulting the magic 8-ball, it seems that the following changes should still be coming in 1.1: 10% large energy turret cap use 7.5% Laser optimal range bonus Fitting: +5tf, +1000mw (500tf, 19500mw -> 505tf, 20500mw) Capacitor capacity: +25% (6000en -> 7500en) Panic ye not. I'm fairly sure it's 'yea'. Can I get a witness? No, "yea" is an affirmation, "ye" is a second person pronoun w00t! the apoc is uber!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant wait to get into mine Wednesday
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.03.11 00:14:00 - [114] by the power of greyscale !! I HAVE THE POWWWWWWWWWWWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. to the AF cringer my cute cuddly cat.

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