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Jemmy Bloocher
Starship Direct
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: marakor I think 3 months is longer than really needed for basic sniper BS skills but the real/original point is that there is no reason what so ever for somebody to turn up to a huge 0.0 fleet fight in a useless frigate if you can fly a sniping BS within 2 or 3 months max or even a e-war cruiser in considerably less time.
A frigate can uncloak a titan.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:35:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Originally by: marakor I think 3 months is longer than really needed for basic sniper BS skills but the real/original point is that there is no reason what so ever for somebody to turn up to a huge 0.0 fleet fight in a useless frigate if you can fly a sniping BS within 2 or 3 months max or even a e-war cruiser in considerably less time.
A frigate uncloaked a titan and caused the first online titan death.
Fixed. Also keep spamming Marakor, you're bound to hit 50% of the posts in this thread at somepoint. Maybe by then someone will have read one of them.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:38:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Originally by: marakor I think 3 months is longer than really needed for basic sniper BS skills but the real/original point is that there is no reason what so ever for somebody to turn up to a huge 0.0 fleet fight in a useless frigate if you can fly a sniping BS within 2 or 3 months max or even a e-war cruiser in considerably less time.
A frigate can uncloak a titan.
Any ship including another titan can do that buddy, id hardly call that a good reason to bring bucket loads of friggies to a fleet fight when those flying them can bring e-war cruisers or useful ships.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:41:00 -
[34]
Why dont you argue some more about T1 ships and show your vast knowledge for not knowing what you're talking about. It's sure to lower goon participation as we all laugh at you.
Oh hey look you're not at 50% of the posts on this page anymore. Better spam reply faster.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:42:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Originally by: marakor I think 3 months is longer than really needed for basic sniper BS skills but the real/original point is that there is no reason what so ever for somebody to turn up to a huge 0.0 fleet fight in a useless frigate if you can fly a sniping BS within 2 or 3 months max or even a e-war cruiser in considerably less time.
A frigate uncloaked a titan and caused the first online titan death.
Fixed. Also keep spamming Marakor, you're bound to hit 50% of the posts in this thread at somepoint. Maybe by then someone will have read one of them.
Cos ppl are replying to posts i made that they have not read?.
Shush unless you have a worth while point to make in this discussion pls.
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Jemmy Bloocher
Starship Direct
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:43:00 -
[36]
Originally by: marakor ...id hardly call that a good reason...
So what?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:46:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Originally by: marakor Any ship including another titan can do that (uncloak a titan) buddy, id hardly call that a good reason to bring bucket loads of friggies to a fleet fight when those flying them can bring e-war cruisers or useful ships.
So what?
Full post inserted for reference.
So what what?.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:50:00 -
[38]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Originally by: marakor Any ship including another titan can do that (uncloak a titan) buddy, id hardly call that a good reason to bring bucket loads of friggies to a fleet fight when those flying them can bring e-war cruisers or useful ships.
So what?
Full post inserted for reference.
So what what?.
Okay so serious reply... you dont "get" goons.
These are week / month old newbies who dont have the isk to lose battleships (or even cruisers) so we give them free frigates and they have fun suiciding them into hacs. Oh wait, forget 0.0 pvp is serious buisness. Must be effective and not have fun.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:57:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Hah now you try to spin it to make it sound like you are doing those poor noobs a favour. In actual fact you are taking those new players and introducing them to the worst aspect of EVE: Pos war.
Instead of being able to develop new connections/learn to make their way around EVE and discover the parts of this game which they ENJOY doing, you recruit the poor suckers, Propagandise them into yet another of your mindless anti-BOB smack spewing drones and drop them directly into one of the greatest meat grinders the game has ever seen: The seige of Delve.
Then you tell them that its all for their own good. That if it were not for you they would never be having so much "Fun".
I have news for you Goon drones, there are plenty of other great and fun aspects of this game and there are many other corps out there who will give you an opportunity to develop and grow, and who will not be using you as pure cannon fodder to fuel their own overblown Ego's. People who will really teach you skills and not simply that numbers are the best tactic(untrue in case you missed it).
Learn to think for yourselves. I know this may be heresy to your high command but believe me, there is more to EVE than being someone else's puppet. There are more enjoyable things to do than being lagged to hell and back every time you go into battle.
Territorial warfare is not the most Important or the only part of EVE. It is only one of this games many many aspects. In fact for all the anti-elitism the Goons seem to propagate, claiming space is the most elitist act EVE has to offer. Think on that next time you are staring at a black screen after jumping into an overloaded system.
This.
I think me and this guy "get" goons all too well pal and so do most other ppl who are not new to the game.
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Tirk Umpat
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:00:00 -
[40]
Either a wonderful troll or clueless person thinking they know anything about fleet warfare.
I'm leaning towards troll.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:05:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Tirk Umpat Either a wonderful troll or clueless person thinking they know anything about fleet warfare.
I'm leaning towards troll.
And on the day a GOON acted like their blobbing for space or "fleet warfare" (as he called it) was some sort of skill, we stood in awe and laughed.
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Jemmy Bloocher
Starship Direct
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:09:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Jemmy Bloocher on 09/03/2008 13:09:33
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: ...id hardly call that a good reason...
So what?
Full post inserted for reference.
So what what?.
Irrelevant passages removed for clarity.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:12:00 -
[43]
Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:14:44
Originally by: Jemmy Bloocher
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: Any ship including another titan can do that (uncloak a titan) buddy, id hardly call that a good reason to bring bucket loads of friggies to a fleet fight when those flying them can bring e-war cruisers or useful ships.
So what?
Full post inserted for reference.
So what what?.
Irrelevant passages removed cos they make me look like stupid troll with nothing too add to the discussion.
Fixed and fixed.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:17:00 -
[44]
Originally by: marakor This.
I think me and this guy "get" goons all too well pal and so do most other ppl who are not new to the game.
Yea we totally force them into shooting pos's all day in their rifters .
Once again showing your lack of knowledge of not only goons but pretty much 0.0 warfare as a whole.
Whoops, you're back below 50% better spam some more.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:26:00 -
[45]
Just what this forum needed. Someone elses 'opinion' on a dead horse.
Just look at every single thread on this forum. They're a ******* joke.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:27:00 -
[46]
Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:31:25 Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:28:28
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: marakor This.
I think me and this guy "get" goons all too well pal and so do most other ppl who are not new to the game.
Yea we totally force them into shooting pos's all day in their rifters .
Once again showing your lack of knowledge of not only goons but pretty much 0.0 warfare as a whole.
Whoops, you're back below 50% better spam some more.
Whatever bud if you wanna claim you have never crashed a node or lost a titan kill or any other kills for that matter due to having way too many crappy ships in your fleets then go ahead its not like ppl are not used to your lies anyway.
And yea wtf am i thinking of using this forum as a place to post opinions and debate them with others ffs.............. instead of posting one line insults like you mostly do.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:28:00 -
[47]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: marakor This.
I think me and this guy "get" goons all too well pal and so do most other ppl who are not new to the game.
Yea we totally force them into shooting pos's all day in their rifters .
Once again showing your lack of knowledge of not only goons but pretty much 0.0 warfare as a whole.
Whoops, you're back below 50% better spam some more.
Whatever bud if you wanna claim you have never crashed a node or lost a titan kill or any other kills for that matter due to having way too many crappy ships in your fleets then go ahead its not like ppl are not used to your lies anyway.
And yea wtf am i thinking of using this forum as a place to post opinions and debate them with others ffs..............
Yea you should probably just give up and go to crapheap.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:30:00 -
[48]
Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:31:02
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: marakor This.
I think me and this guy "get" goons all too well pal and so do most other ppl who are not new to the game.
Yea we totally force them into shooting pos's all day in their rifters .
Once again showing your lack of knowledge of not only goons but pretty much 0.0 warfare as a whole.
Whoops, you're back below 50% better spam some more.
Whatever bud if you wanna claim you have never crashed a node or lost a titan kill or any other kills for that matter due to having way too many crappy ships in your fleets then go ahead its not like ppl are not used to your lies anyway.
And yea wtf am i thinking of using this forum as a place to post opinions and debate them with others ffs..............instead of posting one line insults like you mostly do.
Yea you should probably just give up and go to crapheap.
You missed the edit and considering what i added its quite amusing il bold it for ya.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Yorda on 09/03/2008 13:37:51 Edited by: Yorda on 09/03/2008 13:37:40
Originally by: General Windypops Seriously, old chap, maybe it's time to re-think your stock posts and come up with some new, original ones.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:50:00 -
[50]
Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:53:34
YORDA maybe you could actually make a post that contains something other than your regular insults or slagging off of others ideas or opinions.
Anyway my opinion on this thread was this before the insults/derails started flying:-
That T1 friggies are not worth bringing to large 0.0 fleet fights and i stand by this opinion although i have seen the more reasonable posters claim they can "decloaking titans". Any player in eve, even a 1-2 month old noob should be able to fly and afford a cruiser and if he cannot then the alliance he is in has not guided him properly in making isk or in his skill training chain as 0.0 fleet ops seem to be his choice of combat.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 14:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:53:34
YORDA maybe you could actually make a post that contains something other than your regular insults or slagging off of others ideas or opinions.
Anyway my opinion on this thread was this before the insults/derails started flying:-
That T1 friggies are not worth bringing to large 0.0 fleet fights and i stand by this opinion although i have seen the more reasonable posters claim they can "decloaking titans". Any player in eve, even a 1-2 month old noob should be able to fly and afford a cruiser and if he cannot then the alliance he is in has not guided him properly in making isk or in his skill training chain as 0.0 fleet ops seem to be his choice of combat.
lol
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Jonny 101
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.09 14:14:00 -
[52]
I don't know what irritates me the most Hungo, that you stole your forum sig from my friend or that you're obviously ignorant about the politics and power of eve.
Smashkill beat ra? Smashkill couldn't defeat a bag of soggy apples without a 10:1 numerical advantage.
----------------------- Oh hay, Kublai has been too lazy to get a GTC so i'm posting on his behalf |
Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.03.09 14:18:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Sarwaka Foehammer on 09/03/2008 14:19:45 Back on topic, I was merely informing the OP that his accusation of BOB being the cause of all the Lag in Delve is, to put it bluntly, claptrap.
Although I quite enjoyed my little rant Marakor took the ball and ran with it...
I look forward to more Goon spindoctors stepping up to the plate to tell their poor sucker newbies how lucky they are to be having such a great time waiting for the grid to load.
Hang in there guys, tonight might be the night YOU uncloak a Titan.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:31:00 -
[54]
Sorryf or my late reply ive been doing the whole real life lunch at in laws
Well, wow, is all im gonan say, talk about flame and slag fest, i post my views and you go off and do, well this
I think you all need to take a step back from your pc's and get a life, i mean wow, you all clearly have issues
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Kalvin Braunberg
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:31:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Kalvin Braunberg on 09/03/2008 15:34:21 Edited by: Kalvin Braunberg on 09/03/2008 15:32:52
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 13:53:34 Anyway my opinion on this thread was this before the insults/derails started flying:-
That T1 friggies are not worth bringing to large 0.0 fleet fights and i stand by this opinion although i have seen the more reasonable posters claim they can "decloaking titans". Any player in eve, even a 1-2 month old noob should be able to fly and afford a cruiser and if he cannot then the alliance he is in has not guided him properly in making isk or in his skill training chain as 0.0 fleet ops seem to be his choice of combat.
Here, i'll explain how fleet fights work, since you obviously have no idea.
You see, when 2 enemy gangs encounter each other, they generally don't act like its the civil war, stand in two lines accross from each other, and shoot until everyone is dead.
Once a ship starts taking damage, they leave and come back. There is this tactis in this game that some people like to call "tackling". It's where smaller/faster ships warp disrupt and web the bigger meaner ships so they can't leave as soon as they start taking damage.
You see, when a ship is "tackled" and about to die, the smaller ships of the enemy gang attempt to kill the tackler so the large ship can escape. Thus if your in the roll of a "tackler" you may wish to fly something disposable because you will likely die.
This makes a frigate, which is fast, agile, and cheap, an ideal ship for the roll of "tackler". This also in turn makes new players, just learning how to pvp ideal candidates for this roll, as it teaches you alot, and believe it or not, can be very fun.
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Hah now you try to spin it to make it sound like you are doing those poor noobs a favour. In actual fact you are taking those new players and introducing them to the worst aspect of EVE: Pos war.
Instead of being able to develop new connections/learn to make their way around EVE and discover the parts of this game which they ENJOY doing, you recruit the poor suckers, Propagandise them into yet another of your mindless anti-BOB smack spewing drones and drop them directly into one of the greatest meat grinders the game has ever seen: The seige of Delve.
Then you tell them that its all for their own good. That if it were not for you they would never be having so much "Fun".
I have news for you Goon drones, there are plenty of other great and fun aspects of this game and there are many other corps out there who will give you an opportunity to develop and grow, and who will not be using you as pure cannon fodder to fuel their own overblown Ego's. People who will really teach you skills and not simply that numbers are the best tactic(untrue in case you missed it).
Learn to think for yourselves. I know this may be heresy to your high command but believe me, there is more to EVE than being someone else's puppet. There are more enjoyable things to do than being lagged to hell and back every time you go into battle.
Territorial warfare is not the most Important or the only part of EVE. It is only one of this games many many aspects. In fact for all the anti-elitism the Goons seem to propagate, claiming space is the most elitist act EVE has to offer. Think on that next time you are staring at a black screen after jumping into an overloaded system.
You obviously don't know much about Goon recruiting policy. Since we don't recruit pubbie noobs, your post sounds pretty dumb.
Pretty sure Goons are never forced to participate in fleet and there are many who don't. We have alot of space and there are plenty of people off jewing and participating in those other aspects of EVE that aren't 0.0 Warfare.
People go off and participate in giant fleet battles because they choose to. But this couldn't possibly be true, and they couldn't possibly be fun.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Edited by: Sarwaka Foehammer on 09/03/2008 14:19:45 Back on topic, I was merely informing the OP that his accusation of BOB being the cause of all the Lag in Delve is, to put it bluntly, claptrap.
Although I quite enjoyed my little rant Marakor took the ball and ran with it...
I look forward to more Goon spindoctors stepping up to the plate to tell their poor sucker newbies how lucky they are to be having such a great time waiting for the grid to load.
Hang in there guys, tonight might be the night YOU uncloak a Titan.
i never said they cuased the lag, i said the server canot handle the fleets nmeeded, read before you post you child
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 I don't know what irritates me the most Hungo, that you stole your forum sig from my friend or that you're obviously ignorant about the politics and power of eve.
Smashkill beat ra? Smashkill couldn't defeat a bag of soggy apples without a 10:1 numerical advantage.
Your friend stole the sig from me, ive had it since i started this game, i use it everywhere on forums where im able
get your facts right nub
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 16:03:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kalvin Braunberg
Here, i'll explain how fleet fights work, since you obviously have no idea.
You see, when 2 gangs of BS's encounter each other, they generally don't act like its the civil war, stand in two lines accross from each other, and shoot until everyone is dead.
Once a ship starts taking damage, they leave and come back. There is this tactis in this game that some people like to call "tackling". It's where smaller/faster ships warp disrupt and web the bigger meaner ships so they can't leave as soon as they start taking damage.
You see, when a ship is "tackled" and about to die, the smaller ships of the enemy gang attempt to kill the tackler so the large ship can escape. Thus if your in the roll of a "tackler" you may wish to fly something disposable because you will likely die.
This makes a frigate, which is fast, agile, and cheap, an ideal ship for the roll of "tackler". This also in turn makes new players, just learning how to pvp ideal candidates for this roll, as it teaches you alot, and believe it or not, can be very fun.
WOW your so knowledgeable it makes me want to ask a couple of other questions.
1. Considering we were talking about large scale fleet battles and everybody (apart from you it seems) is well aware of the lag/desynch issues that are part and parcel of such fights. And that the individuals involved in these fights hardly ever see what is killing them or have the ability to activate modules or warp anywhere a lot of the time "tackling " as you call it is hardly necessary and certainly not by a t1 friggie.
2. There are ships in EVE called "interdictors" and these ships are every so very clever you see, as they can actually drop something called a "interdiction" bubble and this "interdiction" bubble does the same thing as lots and lots of those "tacklers" without the need to bring 50-100 of them and adding to the lag/desynch so leaving room for worthwhile ships.
3. As has been mentioned before even a noob can fly a e-war cruiser if the alliance he is in teaches him how to earn isk and train the correct skills, instead of exploiting his naivety and using him as lag/cannon fodder
4. Now given that, 1 lag in large fleet fights makes individual "tackling" useless as you never know what ship is gonna actually show up on your overview. 2 that very few "interdictors" can "tackle" the entire hostile fleet without adding massively to the lag. And 3 that a properly trained and educated noob can fly a e-war or standard cruiser with the same tackle but considerably more dps and e-war i still feel t1 frigs are worthless in large fleet ops.
PS: Although i found your attitude a bit sarcastic and patronizing and so decided to follow suit in my reply at least you actually attempted to post a detailed opinion on the subject instead of the standard one line insult.
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Vena Sera Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.09 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 I don't know what irritates me the most Hungo, that you stole your forum sig from my friend or that you're obviously ignorant about the politics and power of eve.
Smashkill beat ra? Smashkill couldn't defeat a bag of soggy apples without a 10:1 numerical advantage.
Lets be honest... soggy apples do ***** the ECM pretty heavily.
Why did you edit your AWESOME op Mongo? I've decided to call you Mongo cuz Hungo doesn't sound evil enough, and anyone who could so horribly resurrect a worthless topic just to kill it again must be evil.
~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
Dyson
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.09 16:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 09/03/2008 16:17:15 WOW your so knowledgeable it makes me want to ask a couple of other questions and point out a few things about 0.0 warfare you did not mention or do not know.
1. Considering we were talking about large scale fleet battles and everybody (apart from you it seems) is well aware of the lag/desynch issues that are part and parcel of such fights. And that the individuals involved in these fights hardly ever see what is killing them or have the ability to activate modules or warp anywhere a lot of the time "tackling " as you call it is hardly necessary and certainly not by a t1 friggie.
2. There are ships in EVE called "interdictors" and these ships are every so very clever you see, as they can actually drop something called a "interdiction" bubble and this "interdiction" bubble does the same thing as lots and lots of those "tacklers" without the need to bring 50-100 of them and adding to the lag/desynch so leaving room for worthwhile ships.
3. As has been mentioned before even a noob can fly a e-war fitted cruiser if the alliance he is in teaches him how to earn isk and train the correct skills, instead of exploiting his naivety and using him as lag/cannon fodder
4. Now given that, 1 lag in large fleet fights makes individual "tackling" useless as you never know what ship is gonna actually show up on your overview. 2 that very few "interdictors" are needed to "tackle" the entire hostile fleet without adding massively to the lag. And 3 that a properly trained and educated noob can fly a e-war or standard cruiser with even the same tackle if he realy wishes but with considerably more dps and e-war, and so i still personaly feel t1 frigs are worthless in large fleet ops unless its your aim to cause lagg.
PS: Although i found your attitude a bit sarcastic and patronizing and so decided to follow suit in my reply at least you actually attempted to post a detailed opinion on the subject instead of the standard one line insult.
Okay bud, two things you really don't seem to be picking up;
1; If everyone in goonfleet could fly useful ships into the fight we'd still crash the node. We just have too many people willing to fight.
2; Lag isn't caused by us. Lag is caused by CCP's lack of proper server coding/dedicated resources. If CCP either created a hard cap to the number of people in the system or had the proper hardware/software, we wouldn't be having this discussion (Possibly caused by the clients and the lack of documentation on what is the acceptable hardware to run during certain fleet battles). If the first solution was used we probably wouldn't even be playing because the scope of EVE is fairly attractive.
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