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kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.09 18:31:00 - [1] Edited by: kublai on 09/03/2008 18:31:26 Sick of seeing the same old dull crow setups? Let's do something fun, like doubling the dps! :D This setup requires you to have interceptor V, missile projection/bombardement V which should take roughly a month to train or so. I've also set mine up using an lg snake set (a mere 700 or so mill in jita). The Kublinator The concept is simple, by sacrificing some speed mods and making up for it with snakes, you get 20km range on faction rockets while still going fast enough to evade the vast majority of targets and missiles. This grants us far more damage and enables your crow to take out a much larger array of targets solo. You can get more range with t2 rigs, not sure about the cost, you can vary the different modules etc as you prefer for more speed/less cost, however I doubt this setup will work on an 80m isk discount crow. Think this is a stupidly expensive ship and that i'm just posting theory nobody will ever fly? Guess what, this thread is for people like me and not people like you, my fellow big spenders, I give you the Kublinator \o/ a variation on my very first pirate ship, a rocket crow that went 4km/s and had 13km rocket range, I dare say, we've made some improvements since then. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 18:37:00 - [2] kublai \o and yes, seems effective, but too expensive to my wallet. but then again, as you said, there are people with too much cash atm --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.09 19:18:00 - [3] I'm sure your opponents will welcome you fitting your ships like that And no, that's nothing against you, it's just a fact of the game that even the best pvp ship will die sooner or later. So I hope you can make enough time with it to be worth the investment. Be the Ultimate Ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today!
Vladmir Loki	Posted - 2008.03.09 19:19:00 - [4] Without the implants, how much did that setup cost you? Its a great setup, something I might have to try. Although I've never had the need to buy a set of Snakes. My only thought is the Domination Scrambler. It's got a range of 30k, yes? Is it a 1 point scrambler? Because I was thinking, since your range on the rockets is 20 km, you could probably find a scrambler that is over 20km, but with 2 points. That would ensure you lose less targets to stabs. But then again, the range on the Domi scrambler is nice.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.09 19:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Ishina Fel I'm sure your opponents will welcome you fitting your ships like that And no, that's nothing against you, it's just a fact of the game that even the best pvp ship will die sooner or later. So I hope you can make enough time with it to be worth the investment. They're not meant to break even in cost, I don't have the skills for this yet, i'll probably train them once I finish my revelation training, but atm I fly a normal missile crow worth about 900 million before snakes, I use it to belt pirate in low sec. Why have isk if you wont spend it? pimping is fun. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.09 19:36:00 - [6] I've flown such a ship with a mixed low/high grade snake set before. I switched the low-slots for a 200mm RT/CN BCU/best named damage control - I highly prefer the added survivability when flying so close to webrange. At these speeds you're bound to get webbed sooner or later and if that happens, I'd rather be able to take some damage. While extremely effective in dogfights, it couldn't handle three Taranii :/ http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=30938 (Good luck finding 3 faction rocket launchers btw)
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.09 20:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Helpdesk Edited by: Helpdesk on 09/03/2008 19:36:56 I've flown such a ship with a mixed low/high grade snake set before. I switched the low-slots for a 200mm RT/CN BCU/best named damage control - I highly prefer the added survivability when flying so close to webrange. At these speeds you're bound to get webbed sooner or later and if that happens, I'd rather be able to take some damage. While extremely effective in dogfights, it couldn't handle three Taranii :/ Linkage (Good luck finding 3 faction rocket launchers btw) 20km range is hardly what you call close to web range, as for 3 faction rocket launchers, just ask a mission runner to buy them from the LP store, and pay him what he needs to earn his keep on it, mission runners arent that hard to locate :) ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.09 20:52:00 - [8] At these velocities, even 20k is what I would consider close enough to web range to consider backups, especially with ships at these prices. You're losing a bit of speed, but for rocketcrows I haven't experienced the loss of speed that bad that I would give up my 'tank' for it. As far as LP-stores go; I'm fairly sure the rockets require an incredible amount of tags, which are a bit harder to come by. In total, I believe the price is quite high.
Zhecao Vai Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 09/03/2008 21:18:52 20km with a ship that expensive and fragile? You'll die to the first battleship with a heavy neut, or the first anything-at-all with an overloaded faction web.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Zhecao Vai Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 09/03/2008 21:18:52 20km with a ship that expensive and fragile? You'll die to the first battleship with a heavy neut, or the first anything-at-all with an overloaded faction web. I yousto fly at 4km/s at 13km, and somehow I managed to dodge what you're saying. There is -always- a counter to any ship, its up to your own skill and judgement wether or not you can avoid them. Generally, I am able to do so in a crow, but I have lost crows in this price class before, however thats always been because I attacked gangs of frigates/cruisers fully knowing I was doing something suicidal. Can't say I have even been CLOSE to losing a crow to a bs :P ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:26:00 - [11] Hence the plate.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.09 23:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Helpdesk Edited by: Helpdesk on 09/03/2008 21:27:13 Hence the plate. (Obviously, against neutralizing battleships, the plate isn't even needed, you can just avoid that situation entirely) If you're taking damage, you're not doing it right, thats my philosophy anyway. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Elmicker Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.03.09 23:02:00 - [13] Originally by: kublai If you're taking damage, you're not doing it right, thats my philosophy anyway. This.
Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.03.10 05:46:00 - [14] And then comes the T2 fitted Beamsader and beats the crap out of you --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.10 06:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: kublai If you're taking damage, you're not doing it right, thats my philosophy anyway. This. Yeah, it's a nice theory... until you meet something unexpected, such as aforementioned faction webs etc. In that case it's nice to have some backup. Should there be in a speedtanked Rocketcrow listed above, facing the plated Crow I mentioned, which would you rather be in? I'm really confident that with both my +- 20% more damage (faction bcu) and much higher survivability will do the trick, as both inties WILL end up getting webbed (should they not get webbed, the rockets won't do anything due to missile explosion velocity not being high enough).
zurich93 SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.03.10 06:33:00 - [16] Edited by: zurich93 on 10/03/2008 06:33:08 Originally by: Helpdesk Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: kublai If you're taking damage, you're not doing it right, thats my philosophy anyway. This. Yeah, it's a nice theory... until you meet something unexpected, such as aforementioned faction webs etc. In that case it's nice to have some backup. Should there be in a speedtanked Rocketcrow listed above, facing the plated Crow I mentioned, which would you rather be in? I'm really confident that with both my +- 20% more damage (faction bcu) and much higher survivability will do the trick, as both inties WILL end up getting webbed (should they not get webbed, the rockets won't do anything due to missile explosion velocity not being high enough). Your plated crow may beat a speed fitted crow but from personal experience for solo 0.0 work I would much rather have a speed tank and 20km range than a plate on a frig, even with that plate a crow will do down in seconds so its pointless. You much better off going for alot of speed and judging what targets to attack and what targets not to attack. Lastly even if the speed tanked ship gets webbed out at 20k there is a good chance you can MWD out of the webs range unless your againsta huginn/raiper (your stupid to attack those in a frig) or your against a very fast ship which has a faction web (which is unlikley). Nope starts here actually :O -----Sig starts here------- <3 Kaemonn eep eep beep heep keep womble... YOU DO NOT POSESS THE POWER TO DISGUINISH MY SIG FROM MY POST MWHAHAHA
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:42:00 - [17] I like it. I happen to have a DG rocket launcher on sale in Dodixie atm for 90M, but I'd drop it down to 60M and sell it directly, just contact me. Also, the manner in which I obtained the launcher included carebear tears, which gives you bonus points Mind you, the crow shouldn't be plated. You need the speed - slow interceptors often get splattered. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Inturist Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:27:00 - [18] Edited by: Inturist on 10/03/2008 11:27:38 Setup is good , but u still can't stop spending iskies for bling bling thingies >_< --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:36:00 - [19] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Ishina Fel I'm sure your opponents will welcome you fitting your ships like that And no, that's nothing against you, it's just a fact of the game that even the best pvp ship will die sooner or later. So I hope you can make enough time with it to be worth the investment. They're not meant to break even in cost, I don't have the skills for this yet, i'll probably train them once I finish my revelation training, but atm I fly a normal missile crow worth about 900 million before snakes, I use it to belt pirate in low sec. Why have isk if you wont spend it? pimping is fun. this. I also fly stupidly expensive crows becuase imo it's a lot more fun. It really means you got to PvP well and fly without making any mistakes because so much is at stake. I run a very similar setup (mine's about 900m isk before implants also). I am liking this Rocket crow... I think I shall buy another crow and start to pimp it out like you suggest - that's a heck of a lot of DPS and range from rockets! -- Ralara / Ralarina
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:01:00 - [20] i dont get ppl moaning about the fit that its stupid to use it. that you will die.... that has got to be the STUPIDES thing to say.... all ships WILL die... no matter the fitting i have ppl said the same thing about some of my ships :P specially when i fitted my blaster ranis whit expencive rigs (they had been just released) and faction fittings. thanks to those i still have it :P what most ppl fail to understand is that some ppl acctually know how to pull in the big isk and can afford to loose billions on a stupid small frig. this thread made me want to fly my ranis again... but cba... i love my faction fit recons atm :D ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:03:00 - [21] I like the magenta boxes showing us the pwnage. Caldari suck. Just my 2 cents. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:47:00 - [22] Oh dear, a beam sabre will own me, other ships with faction webs might GET ME. Hey, i'm flying an 8.5km/s interceptor WITH a faction web that can be overloaded, I pity the fool in a ceptor who meets this rocket crow and gets his ass webbed by the overloaded shadow serpentis web, it's not there for decoration you know, and interceptors when webbed will die very swiftly to this crow. But yes, it can die, as can all my other ships, if you can't cope with the risk of death, remain docked. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:57:00 - [23] I'll match your bet and raise you a hyena with t2 gear. Dead crow. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Megan Maynard I'll match your bet and raise you a hyena with t2 gear. Dead crow. Ok, someone please do the math and tell me if the missiles would hit. Also do the results for a crow doing 9.5km/s (the rocket crow above does 8.5km/s). I'm rather rubbish at math but I am very curious how this situation would go if the bomber pilot is good (read, to attack or not to attack ^^). ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:01:00 - [25] i find it far easyer to whack on a t2 warp disrupter t2 mwd and a cap recharger, along with standard missiles, some nanofibers and thruster rigs and get a very satisfing 8km/s+ for cheapy cheap that can keep the piont on forever while going full tilt at 22km range. did i mention cheapy cheap! lol
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Fighter i find it far easyer to whack on a t2 warp disrupter t2 mwd and a cap recharger, along with standard missiles, some nanofibers and thruster rigs and get a very satisfing 8km/s+ for cheapy cheap that can keep the piont on forever while going full tilt at 22km range. did i mention cheapy cheap! lol Tech...II..gear it BURNSSS! ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:29:00 - [27] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Megan Maynard I'll match your bet and raise you a hyena with t2 gear. Dead crow. Ok, someone please do the math and tell me if the missiles would hit. Also do the results for a crow doing 9.5km/s (the rocket crow above does 8.5km/s). I'm rather rubbish at math but I am very curious how this situation would go if the bomber pilot is good (read, to attack or not to attack ^^). Hyena = Minnnie EAS, not a bomber.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: kublai Originally by: Megan Maynard I'll match your bet and raise you a hyena with t2 gear. Dead crow. Ok, someone please do the math and tell me if the missiles would hit. Also do the results for a crow doing 9.5km/s (the rocket crow above does 8.5km/s). I'm rather rubbish at math but I am very curious how this situation would go if the bomber pilot is good (read, to attack or not to attack ^^). Hyena = Minnnie EAS, not a bomber. I'm a nub, i'd still like bomber numbers though. PS. If its not a bomber it shows up on le scanner and you avoid it :P ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:36:00 - [29] hehe. It would come down to your travel time of your rockets. Hyena can go 6000-7000, so if it nabs you before you can lay the smack down it would get interesting. I'd be willing to test on test server? (Mainly cause I like the hyena.) Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.10 14:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Megan Maynard hehe. It would come down to your travel time of your rockets. Hyena can go 6000-7000, so if it nabs you before you can lay the smack down it would get interesting. I'd be willing to test on test server? (Mainly cause I like the hyena.) I have a faction web though, which can be overloaded if needed, i dont know much about the EA frigs tbh. But, stealth bomber cruise missiles vs my setup? ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever

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