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Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Darth Mouse on 10/03/2008 10:06:22 Hey guys. I've recently got quite bored with PvE in my raven so though I'd take a gander at setting it up for PvP. Now after look through the Sticky topics on Ravens I see alot of the topics are quite out of date .. or have de-generated into babble. So in an effort to start a new thread with meaningful Raven setups, I thought I'd ask if anyones been flying a raven recently in (group or solo)pvp and wants to share there setup, or maybe give advice. My main question is whether to setup cruise missiles or look into boosting the ravens speed (MWD) and try to close in for Torp fun... Esp since the changes.... and the fact I have ALOT more torp skills grumble All advice welcome. And I will post some stups as an when I find a place to put a bloody shield booster! :) Let the games begin :) Mouse
Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:37:00 - [2] Torps. EFT says with L5 Skills, 1k DPS with the drones, 850 without. Sig radius rig for smaller ships of course. With gang support you can switch out the Disrupter/Web for TPs, or Invulns if you want, still enough Powergrid for more LSEs if you want to go that way as well. PDU's can be swapped out for a DCU II, or targeting booster, theyre just there for the overall boost and theyre just good overall lowslot fillers. I'd say realisticly, stick the Target subroutine and a DCU in there for serious combat. Torp ravens really do put the hurt out now. [Raven, Bag o Hurt] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator - faster than typing Fleeting =) Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hammerhead II x5
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:38:00 - [3] grumble about torp changes, damn, you fool! torp changes mean you do a hell load more damage and cruise ravens are so useless in pvp because they do no damage at all and take ages to hit the target don't put a mwd on lol, AB tops, you still have a 30km range, maybe use a few damage mods and see if you can pump out 1000 dps, have a wild unsustainable tank that can do something similar and go have fun :D
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:00:11 Raven, pvp stuff & the likes: 6x siege launcher T2, 2x medium neut / remote armor rep 2x LSE 2x invul 1x targetpainter 1x AB 4x bcu, 1x damage control If any, CDFE rigs. Some of the missile rigs dont affect torps. Team up with rapier and basilisk for maximum pwn.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:12:00 - [5] My favoured Raven: 6x Siege II, 2x medium remote reps or medium smarties or med neuts MWD, Painter, 2x LSE II, 2x Inv Suitcase II, 3x BCS II, lowslot ECCM Extender rigs Active-tanking a torp-Raven doesn't really work. Once you got Siege II, MWD, Cap booster and XLSB on, you then need PG and CPU fitting mods and are running out of room for the rest of your tank and damage mods. Of course, if you know you won't need the MWD, then dropping that makes active-Raven a hell of a lot easier. But MWD has saved my arse soooo many times...
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:23:00 - [6] Thanks for the Feedback so far guys. So far alot of good ideas... Tech 2 launchers start to really eat CPU... but im starting to see the core requirements.. Only problem now is the Tank vs getting a Webber on ... I suppose for gate camping its not too bad since all ships will start about 15k from you.. so MWD can be removed ... but if its a small ship ... could get annoying :) Will start posting Setups in a second :)
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:29:00 - [7] [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse
Kaeana	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:32:00 - [8] 6x Precision Cruise, 2x Heavy Neut 1x EM, 1x Invuln, 1x XL Booster // 1x Web, 1x Disruptor, 1x sensorbooster or 100mn MWD 3x BCS, 1x nanofiber, 1x inertial stabalizer should work quite nicely, I know a similar setup has killed quite a few pilots in Empire.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Kaeana 6x Precision Cruise, 2x Heavy Neut 1x EM, 1x Invuln, 1x XL Booster // 1x Web, 1x Disruptor, 1x sensorbooster or 100mn MWD 3x BCS, 1x nanofiber, 1x inertial stabalizer should work quite nicely, I know a similar setup has killed quite a few pilots in Empire. Thats bad in many many ways. First, cruise missiles suck in pvp. Second, single hardeners on omni tank suck balls, third, without an injector your 'tank' sucks anyway, fourth, you want a damage control, fifth, you shouldnt be active tanking a pure gnak ship anyway (see: blastermega).
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:39:55 Originally by: Darth Mouse [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse Looks okayish, few pointers: - fit 4x BCU, lose the amp - no web or scram, pls, fit invuls - use faction torps - pdus dont help much on a gank fit Quote: Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. please for all you hold dear dont fit resist rigs.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Ralara on 10/03/2008 11:41:27 blah -- Ralara / Ralarina
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:43:00 - [12] haha sorry yer... I forgot to remove the ammo part. I'll be using Caldari Ammo or some Tech 2 stuff depending .. Sorry about leaving that out :)
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Sokratesz changes Okay Dokey, lets give this one a shot. Group support needs a web and a scram, but everything else should be good. MWD included to help get you into range... should the pesky target attempt to ... move .. :) [Raven Active Tank - No Boost - Group] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:05:00 - [14] If you're fitting a buffer shield tank, then a Damage Control II is essential. It gives you a big boost to effective HP.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:25:00 - [15] Thats about it :) Even though the raven is alot better in PVP now, it is still by all means a support ship. It does one thing and one thing only and that is provide a ****ton of DPS along with a good buffer. They need a tackler to perform well.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Darth Mouse [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Derek Brutor	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Derek Brutor on 10/03/2008 12:29:50 Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 3x Remote Sensor Dampner II with scripts 6x Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo 2x Large SmartBombs Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 GO KILL -- I'm on sale! : 16M Minnie pvp char!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Derek Brutor Edited by: Derek Brutor on 10/03/2008 12:29:50 Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 3x Remote Sensor Dampner II with scripts 6x Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo 2x Large SmartBombs Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 GO KILL Would have worked pre-damp nerf, now its useless. If anything you would have wanted damp strength rigs and ecm drones, but yeah, its useless now anyway.
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Sokratesz Thats about it :) Even though the raven is alot better in PVP now, it is still by all means a support ship. It does one thing and one thing only and that is provide a ****ton of DPS along with a good buffer. They need a tackler to perform well. Tempted to say drop the Target painter for a Warp Scram and see if a person could pick off targets of oppertunity at a game camp or something ... Lack of Web leaves it a bit open, but could do some damage to alot of bigger targets before they even allign for warp ... mmm ...
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. -- Gradient forum
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. That ... and as mentioned above, I forgot to edit the ammo types so left them out :)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:38:00 - [22] Large shield extenders on a Raven makes kitty cry. Go with hardeners instead, more effective hp Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:43:00 - [23] Ravens are useless, try another race, leave caldari to pve. 8)
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. Fair enough. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:53:00 - [25] Quote: Large shield extenders on a Raven makes kitty cry. Go with hardeners instead, more effective hp This is wrong, ignore it. Just check the EHP value in EFT to see the best combination of extenders, hardeners and rigs.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 16:29:00 - [26] 2x LSE + 2x invul + DCU is by far the best combination of HP / resists you can get. Add CDFE for extra oomph.
Cennama	Posted - 2008.03.10 17:13:00 - [27] Something a little less conventional - used in gang where others have remote reps: x6 siege missile launcher II's w/ rage torps x1 large arup remote repairer x1 medium neutralizer II x2 PWN target painters x2 Hypnos ECM x1 100MN MWD II x1 Medium cap booster II x3 BCU II x1 1600mm rolled tungsten x1 DCU II Rigs: Warhead calefaction, ancillary power router, CCC. Get in range and this thing is a monster damage dealer, well, I have torps V and spec IV anyway :P. In gang its also nice to get some ewar going.
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.11 08:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Cennama Something a little less conventional - used in gang where others have remote reps: x6 siege missile launcher II's w/ rage torps x1 large arup remote repairer x1 medium neutralizer II x2 PWN target painters x2 Hypnos ECM x1 100MN MWD II x1 Medium cap booster II x3 BCU II x1 1600mm rolled tungsten x1 DCU II Rigs: Warhead calefaction, ancillary power router, CCC. Get in range and this thing is a monster damage dealer, well, I have torps V and spec IV anyway :P. In gang its also nice to get some ewar going. Hey thats quite a groovy setup :) And even if you are not in a gang, you might be able to drop the ECM for a scram and LSE. Maybe drop the cap booster too, would open up another LSE or a web... and tungsten for 4th BCU ... I'm rapidly understanding that a Raven really isnt a lasting fighter like the blasterthon side of things (dual armour reps etc), but more a Gang ship ... at the very least solo seems t obe based on flying in ... offloading DPS like a **er**er and trying to get out alive :) Seems like good fun really .... I will spend the next few days testing setups and wondering around 0.0 trying to kill people... will post spec chages etc up here :P Will keep you all posted! Mouse
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2008.03.11 09:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:00:11 Raven, pvp stuff & the likes: 6x siege launcher T2, 2x medium neut / remote armor rep 2x LSE 2x invul 1x targetpainter 1x AB 4x bcu, 1x damage control If any, CDFE rigs. Some of the missile rigs dont affect torps. Team up with rapier and basilisk for maximum pwn. Soks knows his stuff. I swap the 4th BCU for a DCII personally and triple up on the CDFE rigs. Missile skills aren't max and for gate camps / small roaming gangs I VERY rarely have range issues with an MWD at my disposal. Gore "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Chasida	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:09:00 - [30] Why do cruise missiles suck in pvp?.. Chasida

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