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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:49:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Gwendion
Torps.
EFT says with L5 Skills, 1k DPS with the drones, 850 without. Sig radius rig for smaller ships of course.
With gang support you can switch out the Disrupter/Web for TPs, or Invulns if you want, still enough Powergrid for more LSEs if you want to go that way as well. PDU's can be swapped out for a DCU II, or targeting booster, theyre just there for the overall boost and theyre just good overall lowslot fillers. I'd say realisticly, stick the Target subroutine and a DCU in there for serious combat.
Torp ravens really do put the hurt out now.
[Raven, Bag o Hurt]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator - faster than typing Fleeting =)
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Hammerhead II x5
Another case of EFT mega failure.
First of all, with that fit, you will want extender rigs, adds quite a bit to the overall HP.
Second, no DCU II ?
Third, you do not need a webb, especially in a gang. In a big enough gang you might want to drop the Warp Disruptor too.
Replacing them with t2 invuls is just great.
In a gang you can also improve your DPS in that, with 2Heavy + 2 med + 1 light drones, instead of 5 t2 meds. Cheaper and an increase from 150 to 200 dps.
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Darth Mouse
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:56:00 -
[32]
Ah cool, I never thought about the drone thing. The reason for the medium / Light set, ewas movement speed, and the ability to field a full 5 after the original 5 had been destroyed ... although they would be lights ...
I might start making the 2-2-1 split my norm!
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gavhriel
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:01:00 -
[33]
if you fly a BS with 2 utility high slots and dont fit 2 large neuts you shouldn't give pvp advice :)
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:50:00 -
[34]
Originally by: gavhriel
if you fly a BS with 2 utility high slots and dont fit 2 large neuts you shouldn't give pvp advice :)
You shouldn't be giving PVP advice either. You can't fit 2 heavy neuts on a MWD-fit torp-Raven, not without gimping yourself with fitting mods.
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Abyssal Angel
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:41:00 -
[35]
[Raven, torp PVP+heavy tank]
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Photonic CPU Enhancer I
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Photon Scattering Field II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Hammerhead II x5
948 dps Tank
917 dps Gank
Runs Everythin for 4 minutes, plenty of time to pvp.
If you are in heavier gangs, switch the cap booster for a shield boost amp more, and the rig for a CDOS more, it'll run the tank for little more than a minute, but might be enough to let you live.
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Haradgrim
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:08:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 19:09:41
I agree about the DCU II but why fit LSEs, even if the HP value on EFT is slightly better, the fitting reqs nerf your setup. I'd rather fit something else and fit Extenders in rig slots....
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Haradgrim
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:08:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 19:09:02
oops, double post
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:36:00 -
[38]
You don't really need an MWD on a torp Raven. The range of torps is long enough to where if you need an MWD you've made an error in your tactics. The Raven is slow, you will not catch anything that also has an MWD. Plus most of your targets with MWDs will be heading toward you anyway (Blasterthron, etc), let them close the gap and kill their cap in the process.
The only time you'd need an MWD is if you were 100% solo or you're just one of those corps/alliances that requires all BS to have them to get out of bubbles and/or burn back to gates. If you're a "all BS must have MWD" kind of person then ok, but for the most part it's not needed on something that can hit out to 25k no problem.
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The Tzar
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:51:00 -
[39]
Edited by: The Tzar on 13/03/2008 19:52:30
At last a raven thread with decent setups 
PVP/gang raven:-
6 x Arbalast Siege Launcher
1 x Large 'Arup' Remote Rep
1 x Medium Nos II
1 x PWNAGE
2 x Invul Field II
3 x Large Shield Extender
3 x BCU II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x PDU II
3 x Core Defence Field Extender
5 x Hammerhead II
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:29:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Gypsio III on 13/03/2008 20:30:28
Quote:
You don't really need an MWD on a torp Raven. The range of torps is long enough to where if you need an MWD you've made an error in your tactics. The Raven is slow, you will not catch anything that also has an MWD. Plus most of your targets with MWDs will be heading toward you anyway (Blasterthron, etc), let them close the gap and kill their cap in the process.
The main reason that I fit a MWD is to burn back to the gate or the station. I view it as the most important part of my tank, actually.
Aside from that, your comment on BS speeds is, er, a bit dodgy. The Raven may be slow... but it's quicker than most armour-rigged BS (assuming 3 armour rigs and no plates, only Hyperion, Tempest and Typhoon are quicker, and the speed advantage of the rigged Hype is fairly minimal). Even when the other BS is unrigged, its speed advantage is not so much that you can't maintain a distance advantage for a useful amount of time. And if you are facing a blasterthron, then you want to keep out of his optimal for as long as possible. MWD are simply far too useful to omit.
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Chasida
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.23 17:40:00 -
[41]
Still wondering why ppl say cruise missiles are bad for pvp...
Chasida
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.23 18:55:00 -
[42]
Cruise is bad because their damage isn't great (especially compared to torps) and their extra range (over torps) isn't particularly useful.
Naturally, exceptions apply, especially those involving Burn Eden...
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Chasida
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.23 19:31:00 -
[43]
But isnt torps also slower, and have a much harder time damaging small fast ships? Isnt this also true for siege missiles?
Chasida
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.23 20:52:00 -
[44]
Active tanked raven setup:
6 siege II
2 280mm howitzer artillery II
1 XL C5-L shield booster
1 quad LiF 100MN MWD
1 PNWAGE target painter
1 shield boost amp II
1 invulnerability field II
1 heavy cap booster II
2 ballistic control II
1 damage control II
1 co-processor II
1 reactor control II
1 anti-EM screen reinforcer
1 anti-kinetic screen reinforcer
1 anti-thermal screen reinforcer
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Chasida
But isnt torps also slower, and have a much harder time damaging small fast ships? Isnt this also true for siege missiles?
Chasida
Torps are slower, but if you're firing at anything that can outrun a torpedo, it wouldn't be taking any damage from a cruise missile either (well...maybe "Your paradise cruise missile hits Stupidly_Fast_Nano_***** for 0.7 damage).
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Odium47
W33D Corp.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.24 13:41:00 -
[46]
Hints:
 Raven is the dmg dealer, so don't bother with web or warp disruptor.
Torps are only efficient against sitting ducks and/or big targets in close range.
Cruise aren't useless in pvp; actually is the best weapon for fleet against evrything.
If in trouble with nanogangs, use Cruise FoF.
Raven is a shield tanker because you absolutly need rof.
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Darth Mouse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 14:19:00 -
[47]
Yer,
I've turned my efforts more to looking at a solo Raven ... so far my expiereiences havent been great ... I did toy with putting 2 medium guns on the high slots and a webber / painter for smaller ships... but not tried it yet.
Was also tempted to swap out a few torps for a few cruise but only 1/2 ... but then the ship becomes a bit unfocused.
I'm really trying to make a nice solo raven, but im seeing the age old issues arise of tank / target / ECM vs Gank modules here :D
This rate I'll try armour tanking :P
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.03.24 14:41:00 -
[48]
Solo Raven really isnt that good, even since the changes. It won't be able to beat a Mega thats for sure, cos even tho on paper it lookes like it should have similar dps and HP, once you fit MWD, Web and Scram, which you will HAVE TO FIT in order to solo your tank sucks. Further factor in that without a TP even against a BS you will be getting reduced DPS from torps and you can see why a solo Raven is just begging to die.
In a gang however it is now the single best DPS boat in the game.
6x Siege II
100MN MWD II, 2x Invuln II, TP II, 2x LSE II
DCU II, 3x BCU II, PDS II
3x CDFE rigs
Has a huge HP buffer and it will out-DPS a blasterthron at pretty much any given range. If you have another ship in your gang fitted with a TP you can load Rage torps and push 1200 DPS, and with Javelins you can get 700-800 DPS at 40km or more.
And dont bother fitting precisiion rigs cos they dont affect torps.
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Odium47
W33D Corp.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:30:00 -
[49]
If in range, a Raven with torps can kill almost any BS before getting killed, except maybe Typhoon.
The problem with Raven is that cannot tackle adn tank good the same time...but i guess that is why we have drones with webs, ecm, nos ...
Anyway, for fleets i began to believe that is the best BS.
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Azael Lightshade
V i L e
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Posted - 2008.03.24 23:28:00 -
[50]
[Lows]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Inertia Stabilizers II
[Mids]
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
[Highs]
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
My cruise setup that I still fly.
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Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.25 00:54:00 -
[51]
Don't underestimate Cruise Raven's, our gang of HAC's and frigs got completely owned by a gang of BS's and BC's thanks mostly to the unexpected effectiveness of the precision cruise + target painter + overheated web combo. And horrible server lag that crashed half the gang just after everyone started locking targets :(
"I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
joshmorris
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.03.25 01:48:00 -
[52]
Originally by: vostok
grumble about torp changes, damn, you fool!
torp changes mean you do a hell load more damage and cruise ravens are so useless in pvp because they do no damage at all and take ages to hit the target
don't put a mwd on lol, AB tops, you still have a 30km range, maybe use a few damage mods and see if you can pump out 1000 dps, have a wild unsustainable tank that can do something similar and go have fun :D
Hmm cruise ravens arnt useless.
mwd is near enough manditory in 0.0 pvp.
And torps are only going to work effectivly vrs other bs , or bc.
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Elgaris Dukor
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 03:22:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Stuart Price
Don't underestimate Cruise Raven's, our gang of HAC's and frigs got completely owned by a gang of BS's and BC's thanks mostly to the unexpected effectiveness of the precision cruise + target painter + overheated web combo. And horrible server lag that crashed half the gang just after everyone started locking targets :(
Yes, after you killed my poor little ratting/mission drake 
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Azael Lightshade
V i L e
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Posted - 2008.03.25 04:09:00 -
[54]
Yes, cruise missiles are for smaller signature targets where torps are for the fatties. I still use cruise today because it does good damage to smaller ships and decent damage to larger ships at maxed out skills. I use to use only torps and loved the damage with them on battleships and battlecruisers but it's simply not safe to me. It's just my choice though.
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velmistr Ecco
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:53:00 -
[55]
Edited by: velmistr Ecco on 25/03/2008 12:53:22
I also would like to use ravens in pvp. Now i have caldari BS lvl4, torps lvl4, cruises lvl5 in less than 6 days. My engineering skills are very solid. I can use t1 heavy drones and t2 light/medium and light ecm/shield maint. drones.
As I don't play very often I need pretty cheap setup for PvP for smaller engangements (up to 20 people on each side).
I've EFT warriored this:
3xBallistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost,Cap Booster 800
2xInvulnerability Field II
6xCruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile
2xMedium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
2xAnti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Drones_Active=Ogre I,3
Is this cheap and viable option?
I've come up with siege version:
Ballistic Control System II
2xReactor Control Unit I
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost,Cap Booster 800
2xInvulnerability Field II
6x'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
2xAnti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Drones_Active=Ogre I,3
Although this has more dps, I don't like esp. low slots :(
Any sugestions that are on the same price level?
tyvm Ecco
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