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Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Darth Mouse on 10/03/2008 10:06:22 Hey guys. I've recently got quite bored with PvE in my raven so though I'd take a gander at setting it up for PvP. Now after look through the Sticky topics on Ravens I see alot of the topics are quite out of date .. or have de-generated into babble. So in an effort to start a new thread with meaningful Raven setups, I thought I'd ask if anyones been flying a raven recently in (group or solo)pvp and wants to share there setup, or maybe give advice. My main question is whether to setup cruise missiles or look into boosting the ravens speed (MWD) and try to close in for Torp fun... Esp since the changes.... and the fact I have ALOT more torp skills grumble All advice welcome. And I will post some stups as an when I find a place to put a bloody shield booster! :) Let the games begin :) Mouse
Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:37:00 - [2] Torps. EFT says with L5 Skills, 1k DPS with the drones, 850 without. Sig radius rig for smaller ships of course. With gang support you can switch out the Disrupter/Web for TPs, or Invulns if you want, still enough Powergrid for more LSEs if you want to go that way as well. PDU's can be swapped out for a DCU II, or targeting booster, theyre just there for the overall boost and theyre just good overall lowslot fillers. I'd say realisticly, stick the Target subroutine and a DCU in there for serious combat. Torp ravens really do put the hurt out now. [Raven, Bag o Hurt] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator - faster than typing Fleeting =) Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hammerhead II x5
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:38:00 - [3] grumble about torp changes, damn, you fool! torp changes mean you do a hell load more damage and cruise ravens are so useless in pvp because they do no damage at all and take ages to hit the target don't put a mwd on lol, AB tops, you still have a 30km range, maybe use a few damage mods and see if you can pump out 1000 dps, have a wild unsustainable tank that can do something similar and go have fun :D
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 10:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:00:11 Raven, pvp stuff & the likes: 6x siege launcher T2, 2x medium neut / remote armor rep 2x LSE 2x invul 1x targetpainter 1x AB 4x bcu, 1x damage control If any, CDFE rigs. Some of the missile rigs dont affect torps. Team up with rapier and basilisk for maximum pwn.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:12:00 - [5] My favoured Raven: 6x Siege II, 2x medium remote reps or medium smarties or med neuts MWD, Painter, 2x LSE II, 2x Inv Suitcase II, 3x BCS II, lowslot ECCM Extender rigs Active-tanking a torp-Raven doesn't really work. Once you got Siege II, MWD, Cap booster and XLSB on, you then need PG and CPU fitting mods and are running out of room for the rest of your tank and damage mods. Of course, if you know you won't need the MWD, then dropping that makes active-Raven a hell of a lot easier. But MWD has saved my arse soooo many times...
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:23:00 - [6] Thanks for the Feedback so far guys. So far alot of good ideas... Tech 2 launchers start to really eat CPU... but im starting to see the core requirements.. Only problem now is the Tank vs getting a Webber on ... I suppose for gate camping its not too bad since all ships will start about 15k from you.. so MWD can be removed ... but if its a small ship ... could get annoying :) Will start posting Setups in a second :)
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:29:00 - [7] [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse
Kaeana	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:32:00 - [8] 6x Precision Cruise, 2x Heavy Neut 1x EM, 1x Invuln, 1x XL Booster // 1x Web, 1x Disruptor, 1x sensorbooster or 100mn MWD 3x BCS, 1x nanofiber, 1x inertial stabalizer should work quite nicely, I know a similar setup has killed quite a few pilots in Empire.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Kaeana 6x Precision Cruise, 2x Heavy Neut 1x EM, 1x Invuln, 1x XL Booster // 1x Web, 1x Disruptor, 1x sensorbooster or 100mn MWD 3x BCS, 1x nanofiber, 1x inertial stabalizer should work quite nicely, I know a similar setup has killed quite a few pilots in Empire. Thats bad in many many ways. First, cruise missiles suck in pvp. Second, single hardeners on omni tank suck balls, third, without an injector your 'tank' sucks anyway, fourth, you want a damage control, fifth, you shouldnt be active tanking a pure gnak ship anyway (see: blastermega).
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:39:55 Originally by: Darth Mouse [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse Looks okayish, few pointers: - fit 4x BCU, lose the amp - no web or scram, pls, fit invuls - use faction torps - pdus dont help much on a gank fit Quote: Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. please for all you hold dear dont fit resist rigs.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Ralara on 10/03/2008 11:41:27 blah -- Ralara / Ralarina
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:43:00 - [12] haha sorry yer... I forgot to remove the ammo part. I'll be using Caldari Ammo or some Tech 2 stuff depending .. Sorry about leaving that out :)
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Sokratesz changes Okay Dokey, lets give this one a shot. Group support needs a web and a scram, but everything else should be good. MWD included to help get you into range... should the pesky target attempt to ... move .. :) [Raven Active Tank - No Boost - Group] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:05:00 - [14] If you're fitting a buffer shield tank, then a Damage Control II is essential. It gives you a big boost to effective HP.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:25:00 - [15] Thats about it :) Even though the raven is alot better in PVP now, it is still by all means a support ship. It does one thing and one thing only and that is provide a ****ton of DPS along with a good buffer. They need a tackler to perform well.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Darth Mouse [PvP Raven - No Boost] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 First attempt at a boostless Raven - Obviously will have to pick targets carefully and make sure it doesnt get into a prolonged firefight... with MAX skills holds about 26k shields.. but a hefty sig radious... worse if you turn the MWD on :D Also lacking in the resists so might swap in a DCU and maybe change for a EM rig. Tempted to lose the drones in exchange for maybe some Ewar ones, will look into it! Feel free to rip this apart! All part of good learning :) Mouse Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Derek Brutor	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Derek Brutor on 10/03/2008 12:29:50 Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 3x Remote Sensor Dampner II with scripts 6x Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo 2x Large SmartBombs Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 GO KILL -- I'm on sale! : 16M Minnie pvp char!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Derek Brutor Edited by: Derek Brutor on 10/03/2008 12:29:50 Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 3x Remote Sensor Dampner II with scripts 6x Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo 2x Large SmartBombs Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet II x5 Hammerhead II x5 GO KILL Would have worked pre-damp nerf, now its useless. If anything you would have wanted damp strength rigs and ecm drones, but yeah, its useless now anyway.
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Sokratesz Thats about it :) Even though the raven is alot better in PVP now, it is still by all means a support ship. It does one thing and one thing only and that is provide a ****ton of DPS along with a good buffer. They need a tackler to perform well. Tempted to say drop the Target painter for a Warp Scram and see if a person could pick off targets of oppertunity at a game camp or something ... Lack of Web leaves it a bit open, but could do some damage to alot of bigger targets before they even allign for warp ... mmm ...
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. -- Gradient forum
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. That ... and as mentioned above, I forgot to edit the ammo types so left them out :)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:38:00 - [22] Large shield extenders on a Raven makes kitty cry. Go with hardeners instead, more effective hp Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:43:00 - [23] Ravens are useless, try another race, leave caldari to pve. 8)
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Malcanis Why would you use T2 launchers to fire t1 ammo when Arbalests are about 500k each and easier to fit? T2 launchers are affected by the spec skill => better RoF => better DoT. Fair enough. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 13:53:00 - [25] Quote: Large shield extenders on a Raven makes kitty cry. Go with hardeners instead, more effective hp This is wrong, ignore it. Just check the EHP value in EFT to see the best combination of extenders, hardeners and rigs.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 16:29:00 - [26] 2x LSE + 2x invul + DCU is by far the best combination of HP / resists you can get. Add CDFE for extra oomph.
Cennama	Posted - 2008.03.10 17:13:00 - [27] Something a little less conventional - used in gang where others have remote reps: x6 siege missile launcher II's w/ rage torps x1 large arup remote repairer x1 medium neutralizer II x2 PWN target painters x2 Hypnos ECM x1 100MN MWD II x1 Medium cap booster II x3 BCU II x1 1600mm rolled tungsten x1 DCU II Rigs: Warhead calefaction, ancillary power router, CCC. Get in range and this thing is a monster damage dealer, well, I have torps V and spec IV anyway :P. In gang its also nice to get some ewar going.
Darth Mouse Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.11 08:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Cennama Something a little less conventional - used in gang where others have remote reps: x6 siege missile launcher II's w/ rage torps x1 large arup remote repairer x1 medium neutralizer II x2 PWN target painters x2 Hypnos ECM x1 100MN MWD II x1 Medium cap booster II x3 BCU II x1 1600mm rolled tungsten x1 DCU II Rigs: Warhead calefaction, ancillary power router, CCC. Get in range and this thing is a monster damage dealer, well, I have torps V and spec IV anyway :P. In gang its also nice to get some ewar going. Hey thats quite a groovy setup :) And even if you are not in a gang, you might be able to drop the ECM for a scram and LSE. Maybe drop the cap booster too, would open up another LSE or a web... and tungsten for 4th BCU ... I'm rapidly understanding that a Raven really isnt a lasting fighter like the blasterthon side of things (dual armour reps etc), but more a Gang ship ... at the very least solo seems t obe based on flying in ... offloading DPS like a **er**er and trying to get out alive :) Seems like good fun really .... I will spend the next few days testing setups and wondering around 0.0 trying to kill people... will post spec chages etc up here :P Will keep you all posted! Mouse
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2008.03.11 09:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/03/2008 11:00:11 Raven, pvp stuff & the likes: 6x siege launcher T2, 2x medium neut / remote armor rep 2x LSE 2x invul 1x targetpainter 1x AB 4x bcu, 1x damage control If any, CDFE rigs. Some of the missile rigs dont affect torps. Team up with rapier and basilisk for maximum pwn. Soks knows his stuff. I swap the 4th BCU for a DCII personally and triple up on the CDFE rigs. Missile skills aren't max and for gate camps / small roaming gangs I VERY rarely have range issues with an MWD at my disposal. Gore "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Chasida	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:09:00 - [30] Why do cruise missiles suck in pvp?.. Chasida
Setana Manoro	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Gwendion Torps. EFT says with L5 Skills, 1k DPS with the drones, 850 without. Sig radius rig for smaller ships of course. With gang support you can switch out the Disrupter/Web for TPs, or Invulns if you want, still enough Powergrid for more LSEs if you want to go that way as well. PDU's can be swapped out for a DCU II, or targeting booster, theyre just there for the overall boost and theyre just good overall lowslot fillers. I'd say realisticly, stick the Target subroutine and a DCU in there for serious combat. Torp ravens really do put the hurt out now. [Raven, Bag o Hurt] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator - faster than typing Fleeting =) Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hammerhead II x5 Another case of EFT mega failure. First of all, with that fit, you will want extender rigs, adds quite a bit to the overall HP. Second, no DCU II ? Third, you do not need a webb, especially in a gang. In a big enough gang you might want to drop the Warp Disruptor too. Replacing them with t2 invuls is just great. In a gang you can also improve your DPS in that, with 2Heavy + 2 med + 1 light drones, instead of 5 t2 meds. Cheaper and an increase from 150 to 200 dps.
Darth Mouse	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:56:00 - [32] Ah cool, I never thought about the drone thing. The reason for the medium / Light set, ewas movement speed, and the ability to field a full 5 after the original 5 had been destroyed ... although they would be lights ... I might start making the 2-2-1 split my norm!
gavhriel	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:01:00 - [33] if you fly a BS with 2 utility high slots and dont fit 2 large neuts you shouldn't give pvp advice :)
Gypsio III	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:50:00 - [34] Originally by: gavhriel if you fly a BS with 2 utility high slots and dont fit 2 large neuts you shouldn't give pvp advice :) You shouldn't be giving PVP advice either. You can't fit 2 heavy neuts on a MWD-fit torp-Raven, not without gimping yourself with fitting mods.
Abyssal Angel	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:41:00 - [35] [Raven, torp PVP+heavy tank] Internal Force Field Array I Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Photonic CPU Enhancer I X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Photon Scattering Field II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hammerhead II x5 948 dps Tank 917 dps Gank Runs Everythin for 4 minutes, plenty of time to pvp. If you are in heavier gangs, switch the cap booster for a shield boost amp more, and the rig for a CDOS more, it'll run the tank for little more than a minute, but might be enough to let you live. FixedYay! have a cookie - Deckard Originally by: CCP PrismX My name is Prism X and I support this message. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Haradgrim	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 19:09:41 I agree about the DCU II but why fit LSEs, even if the HP value on EFT is slightly better, the fitting reqs nerf your setup. I'd rather fit something else and fit Extenders in rig slots.... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Haradgrim	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:08:00 - [37] Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 19:09:02 oops, double post Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Alowishus	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:36:00 - [38] You don't really need an MWD on a torp Raven. The range of torps is long enough to where if you need an MWD you've made an error in your tactics. The Raven is slow, you will not catch anything that also has an MWD. Plus most of your targets with MWDs will be heading toward you anyway (Blasterthron, etc), let them close the gap and kill their cap in the process. The only time you'd need an MWD is if you were 100% solo or you're just one of those corps/alliances that requires all BS to have them to get out of bubbles and/or burn back to gates. If you're a "all BS must have MWD" kind of person then ok, but for the most part it's not needed on something that can hit out to 25k no problem. /makes fart noise Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
The Tzar	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:51:00 - [39] Edited by: The Tzar on 13/03/2008 19:52:30 At last a raven thread with decent setups PVP/gang raven:- 6 x Arbalast Siege Launcher 1 x Large 'Arup' Remote Rep 1 x Medium Nos II 1 x PWNAGE 2 x Invul Field II 3 x Large Shield Extender 3 x BCU II 1 x Damage Control II 1 x PDU II 3 x Core Defence Field Extender 5 x Hammerhead II
Gypsio III	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:29:00 - [40] Edited by: Gypsio III on 13/03/2008 20:30:28 Quote: You don't really need an MWD on a torp Raven. The range of torps is long enough to where if you need an MWD you've made an error in your tactics. The Raven is slow, you will not catch anything that also has an MWD. Plus most of your targets with MWDs will be heading toward you anyway (Blasterthron, etc), let them close the gap and kill their cap in the process. The main reason that I fit a MWD is to burn back to the gate or the station. I view it as the most important part of my tank, actually. Aside from that, your comment on BS speeds is, er, a bit dodgy. The Raven may be slow... but it's quicker than most armour-rigged BS (assuming 3 armour rigs and no plates, only Hyperion, Tempest and Typhoon are quicker, and the speed advantage of the rigged Hype is fairly minimal). Even when the other BS is unrigged, its speed advantage is not so much that you can't maintain a distance advantage for a useful amount of time. And if you are facing a blasterthron, then you want to keep out of his optimal for as long as possible. MWD are simply far too useful to omit.
Chasida RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:40:00 - [41] Still wondering why ppl say cruise missiles are bad for pvp... Chasida
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:55:00 - [42] Cruise is bad because their damage isn't great (especially compared to torps) and their extra range (over torps) isn't particularly useful. Naturally, exceptions apply, especially those involving Burn Eden...
Chasida RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:31:00 - [43] But isnt torps also slower, and have a much harder time damaging small fast ships? Isnt this also true for siege missiles? Chasida
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:52:00 - [44] Active tanked raven setup: 6 siege II 2 280mm howitzer artillery II 1 XL C5-L shield booster 1 quad LiF 100MN MWD 1 PNWAGE target painter 1 shield boost amp II 1 invulnerability field II 1 heavy cap booster II 2 ballistic control II 1 damage control II 1 co-processor II 1 reactor control II 1 anti-EM screen reinforcer 1 anti-kinetic screen reinforcer 1 anti-thermal screen reinforcer -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Chasida But isnt torps also slower, and have a much harder time damaging small fast ships? Isnt this also true for siege missiles? Chasida Torps are slower, but if you're firing at anything that can outrun a torpedo, it wouldn't be taking any damage from a cruise missile either (well...maybe "Your paradise cruise missile hits Stupidly_Fast_Nano_***** for 0.7 damage). -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Odium47 W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 13:41:00 - [46] Hints: Raven is the dmg dealer, so don't bother with web or warp disruptor. Torps are only efficient against sitting ducks and/or big targets in close range. Cruise aren't useless in pvp; actually is the best weapon for fleet against evrything. If in trouble with nanogangs, use Cruise FoF. Raven is a shield tanker because you absolutly need rof.
Darth Mouse Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:19:00 - [47] Yer, I've turned my efforts more to looking at a solo Raven ... so far my expiereiences havent been great ... I did toy with putting 2 medium guns on the high slots and a webber / painter for smaller ships... but not tried it yet. Was also tempted to swap out a few torps for a few cruise but only 1/2 ... but then the ship becomes a bit unfocused. I'm really trying to make a nice solo raven, but im seeing the age old issues arise of tank / target / ECM vs Gank modules here :D This rate I'll try armour tanking :P
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:41:00 - [48] Solo Raven really isnt that good, even since the changes. It won't be able to beat a Mega thats for sure, cos even tho on paper it lookes like it should have similar dps and HP, once you fit MWD, Web and Scram, which you will HAVE TO FIT in order to solo your tank sucks. Further factor in that without a TP even against a BS you will be getting reduced DPS from torps and you can see why a solo Raven is just begging to die. In a gang however it is now the single best DPS boat in the game. 6x Siege II 100MN MWD II, 2x Invuln II, TP II, 2x LSE II DCU II, 3x BCU II, PDS II 3x CDFE rigs Has a huge HP buffer and it will out-DPS a blasterthron at pretty much any given range. If you have another ship in your gang fitted with a TP you can load Rage torps and push 1200 DPS, and with Javelins you can get 700-800 DPS at 40km or more. And dont bother fitting precisiion rigs cos they dont affect torps.
Odium47 W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:30:00 - [49] If in range, a Raven with torps can kill almost any BS before getting killed, except maybe Typhoon. The problem with Raven is that cannot tackle adn tank good the same time...but i guess that is why we have drones with webs, ecm, nos ... Anyway, for fleets i began to believe that is the best BS.
Azael Lightshade V i L e	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:28:00 - [50] [Lows] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Inertia Stabilizers II [Mids] Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 [Highs] Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile My cruise setup that I still fly.
Stuart Price Havoc Inc	Posted - 2008.03.25 00:54:00 - [51] Don't underestimate Cruise Raven's, our gang of HAC's and frigs got completely owned by a gang of BS's and BC's thanks mostly to the unexpected effectiveness of the precision cruise + target painter + overheated web combo. And horrible server lag that crashed half the gang just after everyone started locking targets :( "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
joshmorris AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:48:00 - [52] Originally by: vostok grumble about torp changes, damn, you fool! torp changes mean you do a hell load more damage and cruise ravens are so useless in pvp because they do no damage at all and take ages to hit the target don't put a mwd on lol, AB tops, you still have a 30km range, maybe use a few damage mods and see if you can pump out 1000 dps, have a wild unsustainable tank that can do something similar and go have fun :D Hmm cruise ravens arnt useless. mwd is near enough manditory in 0.0 pvp. And torps are only going to work effectivly vrs other bs , or bc. Uber idea solves all !!
Elgaris Dukor Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 03:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Stuart Price Don't underestimate Cruise Raven's, our gang of HAC's and frigs got completely owned by a gang of BS's and BC's thanks mostly to the unexpected effectiveness of the precision cruise + target painter + overheated web combo. And horrible server lag that crashed half the gang just after everyone started locking targets :( Yes, after you killed my poor little ratting/mission drake
Azael Lightshade V i L e	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:09:00 - [54] Yes, cruise missiles are for smaller signature targets where torps are for the fatties. I still use cruise today because it does good damage to smaller ships and decent damage to larger ships at maxed out skills. I use to use only torps and loved the damage with them on battleships and battlecruisers but it's simply not safe to me. It's just my choice though.
velmistr Ecco InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:53:00 - [55] Edited by: velmistr Ecco on 25/03/2008 12:53:22 I also would like to use ravens in pvp. Now i have caldari BS lvl4, torps lvl4, cruises lvl5 in less than 6 days. My engineering skills are very solid. I can use t1 heavy drones and t2 light/medium and light ecm/shield maint. drones. As I don't play very often I need pretty cheap setup for PvP for smaller engangements (up to 20 people on each side). I've EFT warriored this: 3xBallistic Control System II Co-Processor II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II X-Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost,Cap Booster 800 2xInvulnerability Field II 6xCruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 2xMedium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I 2xAnti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Drones_Active=Ogre I,3 Is this cheap and viable option? I've come up with siege version: Ballistic Control System II 2xReactor Control Unit I Co-Processor II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II X-Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost,Cap Booster 800 2xInvulnerability Field II 6x'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Energy Neutralizer I 2xAnti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Drones_Active=Ogre I,3 Although this has more dps, I don't like esp. low slots :( Any sugestions that are on the same price level? tyvm Ecco Quote: Weirdtopia > i need help in eve Bloodspoon > ...you installed eve? Weirdtopia > ya 14 day trial Bloodspoon > did you unistall WoW Weirdtopia > no Bloodspoon > then i can't help ya

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