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Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:23:00 - [1] I hade a wicked passive tank raven now with the ôupgradesö it sucks I will have to harden EVERYTING now instead of em, thermal and a kinetic rig way to screw me overàà.typical CCP just out to make my life harder -before changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 60%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 60%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45% - After changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 50%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 50%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45 ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one
X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:25:00 - [2] Does that mean you might have to rethink your setup? You know adapt / think outside of your limited preferences? Thats awful. :[
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:25:00 - [3] Ob boo fecking hoo. Now you're going to have to adapt. Yes, it's a crime that an mmorpg is forcing us to adapt. After all, we want everything to say the same forever, right? Sarcasm off I hear WoW is still an option for your kind. Bye bye now.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:27:00 - [4] Yes, how terrible, mebbe u should quit the game out of protest? Oh and if u do... U know what follows right? _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:29:00 - [5] ouuuumaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiggwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddd you have to adapt... teh horror ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:32:00 - [6] oh wate do this apply to the CNR or just Raven? ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one
The Herrick Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:41:00 - [7] Can I have your Raven? Originally by: Tania Russ Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:54:00 - [8] Originally by: The Herrick Can I have your Raven? ummm let me think about that for a second......NO ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Rakivic oh wate do this apply to the CNR or just Raven? As far as i know the changes in resist apply to all ships, so that would include the Raven Navy Issue aswell.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:37:00 - [10] All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour.


DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:41:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. Translation, OMNI tanks are now the only viable resist based tank. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:08:00 - [12] Originally by: DrAtomic Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. Translation, OMNI tanks are now the only viable resist based tank. But will be weaker. So setup your ship to fight blasters, and run from everything else. Or setup to kill laser ships, and die form everything else. Fitted for specific situations is a good thing. Having a 1-fit-for-all is bad.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Rakivic typical CCP just out to make my life harder Of course, CCP only makes changes designed to make the game harder for YOU to adapt to. It's nothing to do with any other process, no sort of balance consideration, no amount of whining from anyone else; no, CCP is out to get YOU. I'd quit now while you have the chance. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Rakivic I hade a wicked passive tank raven now with the ôupgradesö it sucks I will have to harden EVERYTING now instead of em, thermal and a kinetic rig way to screw me overàà.typical CCP just out to make my life harder -before changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 60%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 60%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45% - After changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 50%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 50%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45 OH NOES! you will have to put moaaaar explosive hardeners in your raven to make missions! ________________________________________
Thenoran Caldari The People's Liberation Army	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:37:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. Not that its likely to spam Explosive on Shields or EM on Armor ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:42:00 - [16] PvE Raven pilots have so very hard lives, don't they? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Tarminic PvE Raven pilots have so very hard lives, don't they? Yes , that's bordering on persecution. Originally by: Malcanis Here's another EvE-tip: don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:06:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. does this include NPC rats? ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Tarminic PvE Raven pilots have so very hard lives, don't they? have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super ***.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:57:00 - [20] Hmm, they nerfed passive resists modules too, right? Still no mention of why on that one...

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Tarminic on 11/03/2008 16:04:36 Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Tarminic PvE Raven pilots have so very hard lives, don't they? have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super **. You realize that you're allowed to rat in ships other than the Raven*, correct? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Kuseka Adama on 11/03/2008 15:59:27 True Sansha EANM and Amaar navy EANM for sale eve mail me for details (of course i will be going with post patch prices which will likely be 9 figures for both ))
centurion zulu	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:04:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. What's the Point ? What is there to gain by wasting time with this nonsense. What you need to do is fix your hardware problems. Can't even have a fleet battle without having a node crash, mega lag, or in general, making fights miserable and unplayable. You can no longer blame all this on Video Cards.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Aprudena Gist have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super ***. Angle ratting? Yeah, that is hard. I hear those Isosceles ships are really tough. And the Rhombus, it's got huge resists. Gotta really watch out for the Acute frigates too, they are incredibly fast!
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Aprudena Gist have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super ***. Angle ratting? Yeah, that is hard. I hear those Isosceles ships are really tough. And the Rhombus, it's got huge resists. Gotta really watch out for the Acute frigates too, they are incredibly fast! (Okay, so I laughed a little.)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:19:00 - [26] I'm against anything that promotes omni-tanking as the sole method of effective tanking, as such; this change fails Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Tamirr U'tath	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:41:00 - [27] Try spending three years trying to kill omni armor tanks with lasers then come back and whine, k?
Ashlee Darksky	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:47:00 - [28] I'm running a survey on this to find out what the general train of thought is at the moment. Please feel free to; Take a look Vote Comment Smack All of the above http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=723714
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 11/03/2008 16:04:36 Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Tarminic PvE Raven pilots have so very hard lives, don't they? have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super **. You realize that you're allowed to rat in ships other than the Raven*, correct? You do realize this applies to all ships as angle's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? I guess that means we have to move to huge mother armor brick abbadons for plexes and more guardians.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:48:00 - [30] HOW WILL WE RUN MISSIONS NOW!? ALL IS LOST

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Aprudena Gist You do realize this applies to all ships as angle's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? I guess that means we have to move to huge mother armor brick abbadons for plexes and more guardians. Moving to an Abaddon for running complexes, with its additional 25% resistances, would cancel out the resistance change and give you an additional 25% resistance to your other resistances. Why didn't you do this to begin with? Perhaps you should keep in mind that tanking a 10/10 complex isn't something that should be possible with a single ship. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Alora Venoda Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. does this include NPC rats? No NPC's never get affect by player changes. As you can see a rat and still lop torps from 100 km away or any of the other crap they never bother to change.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:50:00 - [33] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/03/2008 17:51:00 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist You do realize this applies to all ships as angle's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? I guess that means we have to move to huge mother armor brick abbadons for plexes and more guardians. Moving to an Abaddon for running complexes, with its additional 25% resistances, would cancel out the resistance change and give you an additional 25% resistance to your other resistances. Why didn't you do this to begin with? Perhaps you should keep in mind that tanking a 10/10 complex isn't something that should be possible with a single ship. Because a Raven can run a much better local tank then an Abbadon and getting Caldari Pilots is easier not to mention a raven is significily cheaper then an abbadon. we have never run plexes solo we always use at-least 1 logistics ship and a logistics style battleship plex's can't be done solo unless your crazy and there happens to be no gates and you use a mothership/carrier.
Ehronn Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:51:00 - [34] i wish rats would be affected by the changes. hehe nerf rat torps and resists also :) ----------------------- My Blog Dysfunctional Playground
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin HOW WILL WE RUN MISSIONS NOW!? ALL IS LOST who care's about mission runners?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Because a Raven can run a much better local tank then an Abbadon and getting Caldari Pilots is easier not to mention a raven is significily cheaper then an abbadon. So you should probably factor all of those things into your decision regarding which ships to bring into a complex and then, based on local availability, make the correct decision. If you can get a Raven + an extra repping ship more easily than an Abaddon, do that. If not, use the Abaddon. I really don't get what the problem here except that you're more interested in whining than adapting to a %6.75 to %12.5 increase in NPC DPS. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:58:00 - [37] Wow. People ****ed and whined over the hp buffs and now that CCP take a bit of it back with a small resist nerf they howl all the more. No satisfiying some people I swear. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?!* A: Because I can. ---------------------
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist Because a Raven can run a much better local tank then an Abbadon and getting Caldari Pilots is easier not to mention a raven is significily cheaper then an abbadon. So you should probably factor all of those things into your decision regarding which ships to bring into a complex and then, based on local availability, make the correct decision. If you can get a Raven + an extra repping ship more easily than an Abaddon, do that. If not, use the Abaddon. I really don't get what the problem here except that you're more interested in whining than adapting to a %6.75 to %12.5 increase in NPC DPS. No from what they have said this change was made to stop omi-tanking in pvp combat and its going to significantly affect many more ships far beyond the reaches of pvp combat to the point where some lose viability for pve content. Developers in the past have always over-looked too many things while making sweeping changes including ones made in this patch that are much more game balance changing then this one.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Aprudena Gist No from what they have said this change was made to stop omi-tanking in pvp combat and its going to significantly affect many more ships far beyond the reaches of pvp combat to the point where some lose viability for pve content. The Raven is %6.75 to %12.5 less effective against Angel NPCs. Given the Raven's absolute dominance of almost every form of PvE, do you honestly believe that this is a big enough issue to complain about? Would you prefer that every ship except the Raven receive this change so you can avoid the thirty seconds of synapse firing needed to adapt your PvE tactics? Quote: Developers in the past have always over-looked too many things while making sweeping changes including ones made in this patch that are much more game balance changing then this one. Or maybe they just considered that an improvement to Amarr's viability in PvP was much more important than the continued use of Ravens in PvE? Because I'm pretty sure that's how most of us feel. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Marcus TheMartin HOW WILL WE RUN MISSIONS NOW!? ALL IS LOST who care's about mission runners? no one cares about mission runners as a whole individual mission runners emit a sphere of care when mission runners cluster the sphere will merge into a giant care bubble therein making mission runners care about mission runners

Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist No from what they have said this change was made to stop omi-tanking in pvp combat and its going to significantly affect many more ships far beyond the reaches of pvp combat to the point where some lose viability for pve content. The Raven is %6.75 to %12.5 less effective against Angel NPCs. Given the Raven's absolute dominance of almost every form of PvE, do you honestly believe that this is a big enough issue to complain about? Would you prefer that every ship except the Raven receive this change so you can avoid the thirty seconds of synapse firing needed to adapt your PvE tactics? Quote: Developers in the past have always over-looked too many things while making sweeping changes including ones made in this patch that are much more game balance changing then this one. Or maybe they just considered that an improvement to Amarr's viability in PvP was much more important than the continued use of Ravens in PvE? Because I'm pretty sure that's how most of us feel. I could care less about the raven itself i dont really use it but running running plex's using a shield tank ship was the norm and because of this change they are going to go by the way side. This is more about making a sweeping change to all the ships of the game , being heavy handed about it and its going to make more then a few ships less then desirable in combat and for making money.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Aprudena Gist I could care less about the raven itself i dont really use it but running running plex's using a shield tank ship was the norm and because of this change they are going to go by the way side. This is more about making a sweeping change to all the ships of the game , being heavy handed about it and its going to make more then a few ships less then desirable in combat and for making money. I repeat, a shield tanking ship fighting an enemy with 25% explosive damage will be 6.75% less effective. I believe that most of those concerned by that margin are min-maxers, and I have no sympathy for them. In addition, I think a greater variety among PvE ships is a good thing. If that is really disconcerting, I suspect that you simply dislike any change that negatively affects your ability to make money, directly or otherwise. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist I could care less about the raven itself i dont really use it but running running plex's using a shield tank ship was the norm and because of this change they are going to go by the way side. This is more about making a sweeping change to all the ships of the game , being heavy handed about it and its going to make more then a few ships less then desirable in combat and for making money. I repeat, a shield tanking ship fighting an enemy with 25% explosive damage will be 6.75% less effective. I believe that most of those concerned by that margin are min-maxers, and I have no sympathy for them. In addition, I think a greater variety among PvE ships is a good thing. If that is really disconcerting, I suspect that you simply dislike any change that negatively affects your ability to make money, directly or otherwise. no i dislike change when it happens on a broad-scale with no in-depth review or discussion on it. Who really knows how much this is going to affect.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Aprudena Gist no i dislike change when it happens on a broad-scale with no in-depth review or discussion on it. Who really knows how much this is going to affect. You don't think that there's been an in-depth review or discussion. Unless you're a CCP employee you can't know how thoroughly this has been discussed internally. Have you considered that CCP may be planning other changes to keep things in line? Or that maybe this helps achieve several different goals at once? Currently it seems like your reasoning is that since this affects the Raven negatively, CCP didn't think through it enough. How do you know that they don't want shield tanks to be less prevalent in PvE? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist no i dislike change when it happens on a broad-scale with no in-depth review or discussion on it. Who really knows how much this is going to affect. You don't think that there's been an in-depth review or discussion. Unless you're a CCP employee you can't know how thoroughly this has been discussed internally. Have you considered that CCP may be planning other changes to keep things in line? Or that maybe this helps achieve several different goals at once? Currently it seems like your reasoning is that since this affects the Raven negatively, CCP didn't think through it enough. How do you know that they don't want shield tanks to be less prevalent in PvE? Like i said dont give two ****s about the raven makes em easier to gank those ratters in scalding pass thou. Yes there really hasn't been a long in-depth look into these changes.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Yes there really hasn't been a long in-depth look into these changes. And how do you know this? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Aprudena Gist You do realize this applies to all ships as angel's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? No, they want you to run level 4s in gangs. Like it was intended.
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:40:00 - [48] Edited by: sesanti on 11/03/2008 19:40:32 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Aprudena Gist Yes there really hasn't been a long in-depth look into these changes. And how do you know this? Leave him alone ... He is a Goon ... He KNOWS /End of sarcasm _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:41:00 - [49] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/03/2008 19:42:05 Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Aprudena Gist You do realize this applies to all ships as angel's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? No, they want you to run level 4s in gangs. Like it was intended. who runs l4s? i sure as hell dont. Almost everything i do in this game involves a gang and a 10/10 angel plex is already blood hard.
SinBin Gallente HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Aprudena Gist who runs l4s? i sure as hell dont. Almost everything i do in this game involves a gang and a 10/10 angel plex is already blood hard. Can I post in your tread for a sec, ta. Lvl4 mission = pve plex = pve Im lost about the diffence you seem to see. Also in your 5k allince do you let everyone come do this plex & share the spoils ? or do you think the odd 1 might run missions to make some isk ?.

Kahrek Laume Gallente Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:48:00 - [51] Edited by: Kahrek Laume on 11/03/2008 19:48:25 Every last one of you whinner forget one tiny little detail, the reason for this modification, i could sugar coat it but basicly it ungimps the amarr a tiny tad when it comes to dealing damage to armor tankers, something they needed desperatlty. Now of course you all mighty all knowing shield tanking gods had nothing to say when the nerfbat hit the sensor damps so hard they are now practicaly non existant but heaven forbid we actualy require you to you know... think of your setup just a tad.. oh noes... I for one support this change wholeheatedly as a well thought out solution to somewhat alleviate the amarr problem, a problem that has been around for a very long time already. Take your heads out of the sand and look around. Kahrek Laume.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:50:00 - [52] Originally by: SinBin Originally by: Aprudena Gist who runs l4s? i sure as hell dont. Almost everything i do in this game involves a gang and a 10/10 angel plex is already blood hard. Can I post in your tread for a sec, ta. Lvl4 mission = pve plex = pve Im lost about the diffence you seem to see. Also in your 5k allince do you let everyone come do this plex & share the spoils ? or do you think the odd 1 might run missions to make some isk ?. These are probed out plexes . Yes you need a gang to enter then and complete them so people do come. There are no more static plexes in 0.0 as far as i know.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:51:00 - [53] Why do people keep complaining about "Now the ONLY viable option is an OMNI tank" .... Do you even read the setups in S&M? I've never seen anything but a PvE or Capital setup that used anything other than EM hardener + invulns for shields or an explosive hardener + ENAMs + DC for armor tanks in PvP. 99% of people already used an omni tank for PvP, this makes them less effective on shield/armor's highest native resists (explosive/EM) Which is EXACTLY what they were trying to do with this change. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Kahrek Laume Edited by: Kahrek Laume on 11/03/2008 19:48:25 Every last one of you whinner forget one tiny little detail, the reason for this modification, i could sugar coat it but basicly it ungimps the amarr a tiny tad when it comes to dealing damage to armor tankers, something they needed desperatlty. Now of course you all mighty all knowing shield tanking gods had nothing to say when the nerfbat hit the sensor damps so hard they are now practicaly non existant but heaven forbid we actualy require you to you know... think of your setup just a tad.. oh noes... I for one support this change wholeheatedly as a well thought out solution to somewhat alleviate the amarr problem, a problem that has been around for a very long time already. Take your heads out of the sand and look around. Kahrek Laume. It also makes titans more powerful as its almost impossible to double tank a doomsday now.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Last Wolf Why do people keep complaining about "Now the ONLY viable option is an OMNI tank" .... Do you even read the setups in S&M? I've never seen anything but a PvE or Capital setup that used anything other than EM hardener + invulns for shields or an explosive hardener + ENAMs + DC for armor tanks in PvP. 99% of people already used an omni tank for PvP, this makes them less effective on shield/armor's highest native resists (explosive/EM) Which is EXACTLY what they were trying to do with this change. Have you ever done pvp? Have you ever flow into combat knowing that there are mutliple titans that can drop on your head when ever they feel like it? this is why you have to omni tank.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Aprudena Gist It also makes titans more powerful as its almost impossible to double tank a doomsday now. Yes, this is clearly a stealth buff for Titans. You still haven't answered my question. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
SinBin Gallente HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Aprudena Gist These are probed out plexes . Yes you need a gang to enter then and complete them so people do come. There are no more static plexes in 0.0 as far as i know. There always room for a probing but thats irrelvent to damage resistance or a diffence between the 2 forms of pve & player doing them ?.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Last Wolf 99% number pulled out of ass
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:05:00 - [59] Aprudena you're sounding pretty dumb in this thread fyi I'm not sure if you're trolling but just letting you know :)
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/03/2008 19:42:05 Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Aprudena Gist You do realize this applies to all ships as angel's are the only one that do all types of damage? Tanking these Rats already requires a 5 slot tank what do they want a 6 slot? No, they want you to run level 4s in gangs. Like it was intended. who runs l4s? i sure as hell dont. Yeah, noone really runs level 4... eherm. lol goon. Originally by: Aprudena Gist Almost everything i do in this game involves a gang and a 10/10 angel plex is already blood hard. Maybe they were intended to be hard. I hope they make NPCing even harder in the future tbh.

Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:08:00 - [61] Originally by: Zorlag Aprudena you're sounding pretty dumb in this thread fyi I'm not sure if you're trolling but just letting you know :) would i be posting on eve-o without trolling? i was just trying to do something during work.
Kahrek Laume Gallente Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:15:00 - [62] Originally by: SinBin Originally by: Aprudena Gist These are probed out plexes . Yes you need a gang to enter then and complete them so people do come. There are no more static plexes in 0.0 as far as i know. There always room for a probing but thats irrelvent to damage resistance or a diffence between the 2 forms of pve & player doing them ?. There's always room for a probing? Err i will reluctantly leave that one alone, AFK need to get this darned mental image out of my head.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Last Wolf 99% number pulled out of ass Thanks O'cap-e-tan! If you'd like to provide a survey to the real number, I'd love to see it. Anyways my point was that the majority of people OMNI tank anyways, maybe not 99%. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:34:00 - [64] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Last Wolf 99% number pulled out of ass Thanks O'cap-e-tan! If you'd like to provide a survey to the real number, I'd love to see it. Anyways my point was that the majority of people OMNI tank anyways, maybe not 99%. People who speed tank in thing like vaga's and such dont omni tank so its much less then 99%. And then you have to add on the people that can't fit ships and stuff so i would say maybe 50%.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Aprudena Gist People who speed tank in thing like vaga's and such dont omni tank so its much less then 99%. Isn't that kind of like saying that people don't shield tank if they armor tank? If you're speed tanking you aren't relying on shields or armor to protect you, and as such it would not fall under that category. Quote: And then you have to add on the people that can't fit ships and stuff so i would say maybe 50%. I don't think that incompetent players should factor into these calculations. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Tarminic Isn't that kind of like saying that people don't shield tank if they armor tank? Except some people do both! Though I think that would fall under your second point Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
woddel Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:57:00 - [67] well, at least it makes everybody rethink their ship setups. eve just keeps forcing us to use our brains a tiny bit while gaming. but i believe this is not really a bad thing. else, it would get boring and we could as well switch over to 'my little pink pony'... smiles, woddel. --- creator and maintainer of eve-commander complete web based character information tool.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Tarminic Isn't that kind of like saying that people don't shield tank if they armor tank? Except some people do both! Though I think that would fall under your second point Yes. Sharmor tanking uses both mids and lows, which means you can't fit tackling gear OR an honor tank! ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Zex Maxwell	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:38:00 - [69] Originally by: Rakivic I hade a wicked passive tank raven now with the ôupgradesö it sucks I will have to harden EVERYTING now instead of em, thermal and a kinetic rig way to screw me overàà.typical CCP just out to make my life harder -before changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 60%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 60%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45% - After changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 50%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 50%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45 do you ever read dev blogs? CCP gave us a warning that this was going to happen. you had a chance to voice your input on the change during the testing phase on the test server. your a little late whining about it now.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:03:00 - [70] Originally by: Zex Maxwell Originally by: Rakivic I hade a wicked passive tank raven now with the ôupgradesö it sucks I will have to harden EVERYTING now instead of em, thermal and a kinetic rig way to screw me overàà.typical CCP just out to make my life harder -before changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 60%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 60%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45% - After changes Shields EM - 0%, Exp - 50%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 20% Armor EM - 50%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 45 do you ever read dev blogs? CCP gave us a warning that this was going to happen. you had a chance to voice your input on the change during the testing phase on the test server. your a little late whining about it now. Aactualy I whined about it than to but I was obvisly ingored....CCP really do what thay want weather the players like it or not ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one

astowv Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 - [71] stop whining, servers aint gonna be up long enough for the next 3 months for anyone to notice any changes :P ----
Terminus adacai Auroran PeaceKeepers Northern Regions Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:17:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Atropos All ships will have lower Explosive resistance on their shields and lower EM resistance on their armour. So was Noah lying about this being an all boost patch or was he simply mis-informed? I have been playing for 1.5 years. I had finally got Cruise missile spec IV and you guys nerf missiles. Tactical shield manipulation V and you guys nerf shields... Please tell me what not to train next... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Terminus adacai Tactical shield manipulation V You trained this for a Raven? This is aboustly poinless to train unless your going into captials.
Terminus adacai Auroran PeaceKeepers Northern Regions Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Terminus adacai Tactical shield manipulation V You trained this for a Raven? This is aboustly poinless to train unless your going into captials. One step at a time... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Magnus Nordir Asimov Industries Zeroth Continuum	Posted - 2008.03.15 15:06:00 - [75] meh, recharge-based tanking ftw ***************************** Everything is possible for him who believes. Insprinc haptbandun - Inuar vigandun
Kyra Felann Noir.	Posted - 2008.03.15 15:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Arana Tellen Tanking angles requires 5 slots IF you have rank 1 skills and tech I equipment. I guess you need Trigonometry to at least 4 to tank angles?
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.15 16:40:00 - [77] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Aprudena Gist have you ever gone angle ratting? or done an angle 10/10 complex is hard enough as it without this change its super ***. Angle ratting? Yeah, that is hard. I hear those Isosceles ships are really tough. And the Rhombus, it's got huge resists. Gotta really watch out for the Acute frigates too, they are incredibly fast! Made mt day. I know less than you think I do.


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