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stunna13	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:52:00 - [1] ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks
Tarminic	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:54:00 - [2] I've been told trading is a good way to make lots of ISK, you can also look into smart investing, T2 production or selling datacores (though that's a relatively slow way to supplement your income. Or suicide ganking. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.2
Maltitol	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:54:00 - [3] Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks Is that really the average time frame to get to lvl 4's? damn.. i remember back when it took me 6 months to get to lvl 4's.. and i am still bordeline scared to do them... i guess Caldari is the win? i didnt break my first 100m for almost a year (mind you lots of ships went pop, so that was prolly why). i make several billions a month (and spend every penny at the local Bordello's) by market manipulation, pvp loot & ratting when no action is around (which hasnt happened lately). that;s where all my income comes from. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo

Chribba	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:55:00 - [4] close to 400M and only been playing since jan? dang. I remember spending like 3 weeks doing stuff to buy a 5M ISK skillbook... and you want to make ISK faster... clearly things have changed since 2003 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

dugata	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:56:00 - [5] watch the market. You can turn that 300 mill into 400 mill in a single night by looking for good deals. Remember but low sell high. I got lucky Found a Gist X-Type X-Large shield booster for 137,000,000 million some one forgot a 0. hehehe.
Ryas Nia	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Chribba close to 400M and only been playing since jan? dang. I remember spending like 3 weeks doing stuff to buy a 5M ISK skillbook... and you want to make ISK faster... clearly things have changed since 2003 yeah your making a hell of allot more than most people. It took me almost a year to make my first 100m running missions. But then i also pvped allot so i had ship losses to pay for. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Justin Thyme	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:58:00 - [7] Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks I've been playing for almost 4 years and I only have 370m. It's really in how you play and what you do. Me I make bad investments. I tend to build things that are supposed to be high ticket but really aren't big sellers. IE: Drone Rigs. I mostly only build for stuff i use. OH and Yeah... level 4s. I'm only doing level 3's. Don't worry I'm sure you will get to the income level you want. "Hunting rats is like minning for scrap metal... and occationaly striking gold" -- Justin Thyme I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme
stunna13	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:59:00 - [8] Edited by: stunna13 on 13/03/2008 19:04:20 Originally by: Maltitol Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks Is that really the average time frame to get to lvl 4's? damn.. i remember back when it took me 6 months to get to lvl 4's.. and i am still bordeline scared to do them... i guess Caldari is the win? i didnt break my first 100m for almost a year (mind you lots of ships went pop, so that was prolly why). i make several billions a month (and spend every penny at the local Bordello's) by market manipulation, pvp loot & ratting when no action is around (which hasnt happened lately). that;s where all my income comes from. yea there are only a few lvl 4s i cannot run/ or just dont have the balls to run by myself... i also fly a navy raven which i love and dont wanna lose it (a few corp guys who have been playing since day one gave me a few isk when i started in jan)... as for losing ships i lost one raven =( one my first try at a lvl 4 LOL... o well...
Asestorian	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:00:00 - [9] Yeah you're making plenty of money. The people with billions keep their methods secret (well, not really, but they don't spam them everywhere). Some people trade, some people do industry, some people buy GTCs and sell the for ISK, some people rob corps, some people mission run for eternity, some people set up large POS chains in 0.0 and and create Tech II ships or sell their POS goods for insane prices for other people to make Tech II ships.. The list really does go on. --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. MOZO
Gaius Bonus	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:06:00 - [10] Only 370million and playing since jan ? Haha you must be a noob Go to jita, buy low, sell high, you can easy make 10 billion a day with a 100 million investion. Everyone does this. When i was 2 months old, i already owned my first titan and 2 motherships.
stunna13	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Gaius Bonus Only 370million and playing since jan ? Haha you must be a noob Go to jita, buy low, sell high, you can easy make 10 billion a day with a 100 million investion. Everyone does this. When i was 2 months old, i already owned my first titan and 2 motherships. dont play w/ my emotions but from what you guys are saying it seems like im not doing bad by mission running... or either a lot has changed since back in the day... thanks guys for the info...
TylerJames	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:22:00 - [12] Originally by: stunna13 dont play w/ my emotions but from what you guys are saying it seems like im not doing bad by mission running... or either a lot has changed since back in the day... thanks guys for the info... It is probably a combination of both. I would guess you are more active than the average player. And of course your style of play comes into play. If you pvp you will generally spend more time losing isk than you do making it. When I started, my first 2 months I never even imagined I would get to where you are. It wasn't until I went to 0.0 to mine and rat that I saw my first 100 mil. and that even took awhile. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
nether void	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:26:00 - [13] Why do you need more money? I can't think of any good reasons. ... Unless you pvp. -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Asestorian	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:28:00 - [14] Originally by: nether void Why do you need more money? I can't think of any good reasons. ... Unless you pvp. There are some ship skills that cost more than that --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. MOZO
Haradgrim	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:42:00 - [15] Posts like this make me cry Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Usagi Toshiro	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Haradgrim Posts like this make me cry You and me both. When I have double figure millions I feel rich. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Alora Venoda	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:50:00 - [17] my max wallet so far was around 500 mill. and that was mainly from cashing in datacores. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Asestorian	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:05:00 - [18] I've never had more than 800m. I could easily make more than that doing missions, but every time I try I get really bored --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. MOZO
Haradgrim	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Usagi Toshiro Originally by: Haradgrim Posts like this make me cry You and me both. When I have double figure millions I feel rich. I don't have it quite that bad, but I remember how hard it was to make my first 100 million, now it seems like you can achieve that sort of amount before your trial runs out.... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ambrose Lakrosse	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:23:00 - [20] Made my first billion doin' the trading game. Started sometime in december I think.
Lemptie	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:23:00 - [21] Well and does it make you happy that you have already 370 mill ?Or do you need more with your 2 month old toon ? Or do you think this game is about to get as much isk you can crap?
Barbicane	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:57:00 - [22] Hehe, if it was so easy to make isk as some people like to make you believe, then everyone would be buying GTCs with isk to pay for their subscriptions, and CCP wouldn't make any money... no wait...
Garia666	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Chribba close to 400M and only been playing since jan? dang. I remember spending like 3 weeks doing stuff to buy a 5M ISK skillbook... and you want to make ISK faster... clearly things have changed since 2003 heheh indeed what about lvl 4 missions.. i did 2 weeks to earn my first million Quote: CCP Chronotis Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
stunna13 Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Barbicane Hehe, if it was so easy to make isk as some people like to make you believe, then everyone would be buying GTCs with isk to pay for their subscriptions, and CCP wouldn't make any money... no wait... well one reason i ask is to move into paying isk for play time and i know people make billions each week w/ not a lot of play time/little effort... and i think am a little more active than the norm player... i guess 2-3 hours a day running lvl missions brings in 20 mill or so... also i dont think you can ever have too much isk...
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:33:00 - [25] I guess it's not hard to make money once you know the ins and outs of this game, what things people want and what they're willing to part with underneath market value, how to rat and how to farm missions etc. So with time, you will see your revenues bounce up. Tbh, farming lvl4 salvaging and looting everything should double what you have in your wallet every week. Trading might easily make you ten times as much - but it really requires knowledge and experience. I have modest needs for isk, so I don't really bother much, but I make about 200-300 mil afk every week for my main and when I play actively I can make much more - but ratting / missions etc are boring so I rarely bother anymore and am just happy with the afk money coming in. But my suggestion anyhow is, keep your eyes open for good deals. Continue to excel in lvl4's, salvage and loot whatever you can and sell everything for the best price on sell orders. In time you will start to see discrepancies in the market that you can exploit as well - this is where the fun begins.
The Herrick SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:40:00 - [26] Only have 130mil and that is slowly but steadily falling due to the fact that I loose a lot of ships but can't find a reliable way to earn in lowsec (ratting is a bit crap really.) Oh well, T1 cruisers are cheap anyway. Originally by: Tania Russ Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff.
Robban77 State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:50:00 - [27] Originally by: stunna13 Originally by: Barbicane Hehe, if it was so easy to make isk as some people like to make you believe, then everyone would be buying GTCs with isk to pay for their subscriptions, and CCP wouldn't make any money... no wait... well one reason i ask is to move into paying isk for play time and i know people make billions each week w/ not a lot of play time/little effort... and i think am a little more active than the norm player... i guess 2-3 hours a day running lvl missions brings in 20 mill or so... also i dont think you can ever have too much isk... Same here, but then i play maybe 11-13 hours per day. Still a noob thou, would be nice to pay my subscription with ISK indeed.
Caia Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:59:00 - [28] Research the market. Buy BPOs that make 50% or better profit. Login make 20,50,100 of said item. Sell them. Repeat. Oh and max out your industry skills. It helps a LOT. Adapt more, whine less.
Lord Evangelian LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:06:00 - [29] I have money... Theres a point you reach where you have all the skills you require and dont generally have to buy a new one every day. You dont really loose ships because you have learned how to avoid losses...and all you do is make ISK, or sit back and enjoy not having to worry about it. Being able to mine high high sec ore in a hulk or run level 4 missions should bring you to this point... Also I ave learned that some new players exaggerate the amount f ISKs they have. I was talking a to a guy who was can baiting, he said to me 10M was pocket change...I removed his thorax from the game, then he started to smack me and tell me how I would pay for it and replace it for him. No offence but if 10M is pocket change...a thorax loss wouldnt hurt that much. PS: It was entirely T1 as well --------------------
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:37:00 - [30] You can make 1Bil a month easily doing L4s without spending -too- much time on EVE. It still isn't very enjoyable though... ...
Burnharder Tiny Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Lord Evangelian Also I ave learned that some new players exaggerate the amount f ISKs they have. I was talking a to a guy who was can baiting, he said to me 10M was pocket change...I removed his thorax from the game, then he started to smack me and tell me how I would pay for it and replace it for him. No offence but if 10M is pocket change...a thorax loss wouldnt hurt that much. PS: It was entirely T1 as well QFT. I previously said I had 10b, when in fact I only have 6.5b + ~1b in my mineral reserve ; earned by a variety of methods, including research agents, mining, level 4 missions, trading, salvage/rig construction. As for people earning 10b a day trading in jita with 100m initial investment, I can't imagine how that's possible, so I think it's BS - or maybe I'm just crap at gouging the market..... I have to say that earning isk is so easy compared to how it used to be. It took me months and months of playing to break 100m, back in 2003/2004.
Poreuomai Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:45:00 - [32] Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks How did you get the standings to be able to do lvl 4s in 10 weeks ?
Burnharder Tiny Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks How did you get the standings to be able to do lvl 4s in 10 weeks ? If you have a friend who can do the mission for you, you just gang him when he's done it and he completes with "5 members or less" option - giving you a share of the LP, rewards and standings increase. This is a fast track to level up an alt.
Bo Bojangles Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Ritzenhoff You've got a good financial platform and a profitable enterprise (running missions), use that as a base to try other things. Don't get obsessed by the size of your wallet, though. It's just a number. The question is "are you having fun?". This.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:58:00 - [35] Post #1380124815 by future uber-faction-fit CNR pilot #23101257 about needing more isk. I rarely have over 100mil in my wallet at any given time and I've played almost 2 years now. Ratted to 350mil in a week, went and bought 2 recons and a HAC, now back to 100mil in my wallet and not shooting another NPC for a few months. Who needs isk when you have a ship already? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Attrezzo Pox M3G4 Corp Te-Ka	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [36] I hate to say it but mining in 0.0 is a good way to make a ton of isk. Billions and billions can be made in a weekend if you have 5 or 6 buddies. Once you get all that isk a good way to spend it is on decent blueprint originals, then after you get a few of those the money train never stops. People like to point out that the whole idea is to get a better time/isk ratio... Just remember that's time you spend online to isk. If you wanna keep your character relatively pure (skill wise) then work on the marketing skills for a few months and place buy orders and sell orders. That however has a pretty sharp learning curve. So at first the returns are abysmal but after a few months of using LOTS of time to see what sells in your area the time/isk ratio decreases exponentially. Some tips about marketing. Tech I and named items... -Always place small, 5-10 item, buy orders, if they don't return items in a week or two they never will. Plus you can always go back and buy more, you'll be competing with others so your price will change often. -Don't get stuck on the same items all the time. It's called diversifying and that's how real people do it in the real world. Helps mitigate risk. -Try to place sell orders in LARGE volume. If you can move the items to a regional sell point do it and sell as many of the same thing as possible in one order. Makes a better isk/order ratio. And buyers like being able to get however many they want at one time. -Leave sell orders alone. If you put it up on the market for a price that people once happily paid (as long as it's not a ship or techII) then more than likely it'll sell. Don't drop prices until the average item price goes down at least 15%. Or until someone is selling more volume than you for a lower price. -Finally, the real money is made is cheap ratted items. This "throw away" stuff for one character is good money for others. All those times you just sold quick to get rid of... There you have it. Though it doesn't do bad in low sec either. Tech 2 items and ships... -Go to another region preferably deep in empire and try to find a station/system where people are manufacturing said item(s). -Place a reasonable buy orders at that station/system (in the largest quantities you can afford). You want the manufacturer to make money. -If the industry man bites you can take what you buy to a region on the edge of 0.0 and sell it. Lots and lots of it. Or better yet haul it up to a 0.0 station and sell it. -Most importantly SELL IT QUICK. Quantity is nice but generally the price goes down too quick in the tech II market to just sit on stock. You may find yourself selling in lonetrek one day and then selling the rest of your haul in tash-murkon a few days later. It can be more work the more stuff you have. But it's worth it. -Last, keep your manufacturer happy, bring him minerals and techII components so he won't move around. Maybe even chat with him to work out a trade agreement via contracts. Tech II stuff is where the big bucks are at but you should start with named tech I loot to familiarize yourself with your market. Plus it's cheap. Returns are usually should be 100-200% but that only means you're making a few mil per sell order. In the techII world you might be selling for a return of 15-20% but you're making 20-30mil per order easy. Plus the market for them is more constant. Generally the price just goes down. The biggest rule. People are lazy. Manufacturers don't wanna leave station, PvEers and PvPers want quick money on the loot they take, and everyone wants to buy everything they need as close to them as possible. Take advantage of that and you'll be rich in a month. I could go on but I'll shut up now. ------------------------- This is not a good sig.
Burnharder Tiny Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Attrezzo Pox -Leave sell orders alone. If you put it up on the market for a price that people once happily paid (as long as it's not a ship or techII) then more than likely it'll sell. Don't drop prices until the average item price goes down at least 15%. Or until someone is selling more volume than you for a lower price. Great advice. I used to do this, mostly due to impatience. If I didn't sell it in a few hours (or days) and some guys posted orders beating mine, I'd follow the crowd down. Sometimes you have to play a longer game I guess.
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Burnharder Originally by: Attrezzo Pox -Leave sell orders alone. If you put it up on the market for a price that people once happily paid (as long as it's not a ship or techII) then more than likely it'll sell. Don't drop prices until the average item price goes down at least 15%. Or until someone is selling more volume than you for a lower price. Great advice. I used to do this, mostly due to impatience. If I didn't sell it in a few hours (or days) and some guys posted orders beating mine, I'd follow the crowd down. Sometimes you have to play a longer game I guess. Or, buy up all the undercutter's stock, and raise your own price by 50% (or more). Sometimes it pays to be ruthless. ------------------- "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Rimhawk Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:53:00 - [39] What you need to do (and it doesn't really matter that much how you do it) is to make the money you have in your wallet work for you rather than just have it sitting there. In other words, invest it and create profit. In some ways it's similar to investing in real life, the more risk you take the bigger the potential profit. Trading is one way and if you start with small items (in volume) you can start with relatively little money. Profits will be low but you'll learn the game. You can go looking for cheap sell orders (buy-low-sell-high) or you can place cheap buy orders and sell them high. However most people are not patient enough and want to make profit NOW, rather than have it sit around for a week or so before it sells. However try to limit hauling as much as possible, after all, it takes lots of time and time is money. You will need the trading skills but they are easy to learn. But trading like this does entail some risks, prices might drop after all. You may even have to sit on some stock for a while until prices go up again. As you make more money you learn the trade game you can either move into more expensive items or increase volume. Oh and on a side note, be careful with investing heavily around patches, in case mods/ships are nerfed and prices change. Another method is to invest in T1 production, which is relatively safe (profits are low but so is the risk). Mineral values change but they are relatively stable. Essentially more work, less profits but also much less risk. If you have the right skills and enough financial means you can bankroll T2 invention and make money from that. Granted, T2 ships are not for the very new players, the skill demands are pretty high. But modules and such are not too difficult to train up for and if you pick the right ones you can make a nice profit. You could also try to team up with an older player that knows how it works and has the skills to come up with a joint venture idea. Besides all this you can still easily run your missions. I spend about 40 minutes per day managing my T2 invention and production lines (I do use 2 characters), getting supplies etc. I produce several T2 ships per day and the profit ranges from 30 to 80 million ISK per day, just from the work in those 40 minutes. That's not counting whatever money during the rest of the time. However don't think I have a big fat wallet, and that goes for many players. I usually have much less than a billion in the wallet, but I have billions tied up in invention, production runs, T1 BPC's I buy and parts, minerals and T2 materials. And that's not counting my ship collection in the hangar. But as I expand my efforts more money is added to my 'business' and the wallet doesn't really go up. Again just like real life, most capital is tied up in daily operations, stock and investments. So do I have billions? Yes. Are they in cash and readily accessible? Hello no, they are tied up in my business ventures. If I ever do want to cash out, I simply stop inventing, finish building what I have (which will take a few weeks) and I will have billions in the wallet. Any of these methods will work, but again the real trick is volume. Don't try to look for a single item that gives you a huge profit. Instead look to make 1 million profit off of 100 items. Oh and to get started, see how much money you can stand to lose or not use for a while. For example you might need 170 million as a reserve and to finance mission ammo, you could decide to invest the remaining 200. And you will start out small, but it will grow over time. In essence, you're kind of running a business. And it always takes time for a business to be succesful and to make money. .
mrmooo Point Blank Warfare Supplies The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:02:00 - [40] Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks Id be interested in your Ravens setup and what skills you have to solo lvl 4s after 2 months - also you must have gone some to get the standings to get a lvl 4 agent after 2 months All I can say is Well done
Iwoei Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:08:00 - [41] You forgot to ask, not only 'how' but also in 'what timeframe'. I can make hundreds of millions a day ratting, less running level 4's, and making more on the market (but that require money invested, and risk involved of course, market fluctuation and people with the same idea). Took me 3 months to get into my first battlecruiser. Now my alt started off making her first billion before she even had finished the 1-2 months spent training learning. Then again she started off with +3 implants and some money to play the trade game. Level4 is solid stable income. Ratting is a bit faster if you got nice 0.0, with the chance of high valued loot. The timesink here is logistics. Trading earns you most money but takes sick amounts of time to get into for starters, at least if you are dedicated, and you need a buffer of cash to play with. You can of course spend very little time on it but then you make less and suddenly ratting and lv4-missions seems like a better choice. As for mining, production, anything industrial.. I have no clue.
Ginko Joukai University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:17:00 - [42] Nope, the problem in the game is that those that are billionaires made their isk by monopolizing certain aspects of the game in a rather abusive manner.. it was pretty much an abuse of game mechanics. A few years ago, before invention, certain players 'farmed' up research alts and completely HOGGED the BPO lottery. I know for a fact ONE corporation in several lotteries was given amost every single high isk selling T2 BPO simply because of the massive amount of research points they had towards the lottery. No player could compete with that. Worse yet, these player dominated and controlled the T2 market for a LONG time. You wanted a covert ops cloak? A T2 gun? You had to pay THEIR price because nobody else had the T2 BPO for it. Result? these few players and corps became so insanely rich that by the time CCP plugged that game mechanic exploit the damage was too serious to be fixed. Some of those players arent in the game anymore, some simply switched their wealth to other characters, others became corporations and alliance owners. The isk difference between players is just too big to have the game be enjoyable enough. There'd be a lot more pewpew if there wasnt such a huge penalty for losing a ship. Only those with billions in their wallet can afford to go pvp'ing every day with battleships or faction ships.. the rest have to much it in severely outperformed t1 ships and suffer for the loss of each one.. and its why pvp is such a rare occurence unless you in 0.0 and happen to be in a gank squad or in the receiving end of one: nobody wants to lose their ships except those with such insane amount of isk they dont care about losing it.
eldiabloroho State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:21:00 - [43] I was just like you guys. I think I made like 60m my first 7 months in eve, then I joined a 0.0 alliance and now im in a mothership 8 months later.
Kong iverz Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:25:00 - [44] 0.0 mining is awsome! ;P 0.0 mining + 2 acounts is better! 0.0 mining + 3 accounts is atleast 1b a day! 0.0 mining + 4 accounts rock! 0.0 mining + 5 .... catch my drift:P? Kai Onslot can kill two stones with one bird
stunna13 Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:32:00 - [45] Originally by: mrmooo Originally by: stunna13 ok i have been playing since jan 2nd and yes i know... im still a noob but how do people get so much isk... im talking billions and billions.... i run lvl4's all the time and i only have 370 million... and dose anyone have ideas on how to earn more isk faster? thanks Id be interested in your Ravens setup and what skills you have to solo lvl 4s after 2 months - also you must have gone some to get the standings to get a lvl 4 agent after 2 months All I can say is Well done 3.4 mill sp i have standing at 8.8 w/ my lvl 4 guy... my skills are... sorry i dont knwo how to post a link where you can see them so stay w/ me... and ill only post a few... EM Shield Compensation / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Energy Emission Systems / Rank 2 / SP: 3165 of 16000 Energy Grid Upgrades / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Energy Management / Rank 3 / SP: 135765 of 768000 Energy Pulse Weapons / Rank 2 / SP: 500 of 2829 Energy Systems Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Engineering / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Explosive Shield Compensation / Rank 2 / SP: 2829 of 16000 Kinetic Shield Compensation / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Shield Compensation / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Shield Emission Systems / Rank 2 / SP: 2829 of 16000 Shield Management / Rank 3 / SP: 135765 of 768000 Shield Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 Shield Upgrades / Rank 2 / SP: 16065 of 90510 Tactical Shield Manipulation / Rank 4 / SP: 5657 of 32000 Thermic Shield Compensation / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Cruise Missiles / Rank 5 / SP: 116091 of 226275 +Currently training to: level 4 +Time left: 1 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, 57 seconds +SP done: 28771 of 110184 Defender Missiles / Rank 2 / SP: 0 of 500 FoF Missiles / Rank 3 / SP: 0 of 750 Guided Missile Precision / Rank 5 / SP: 40000 of 226275 Heavy Assault Missiles / Rank 3 / SP: 750 of 4243 Heavy Missiles / Rank 3 / SP: 25659 of 135765 Missile Bombardment / Rank 2 / SP: 2829 of 16000 Missile Launcher Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 Missile Projection / Rank 4 / SP: 32000 of 181020 Rapid Launch / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Rockets / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Standard Missiles / Rank 2 / SP: 16000 of 90510 Target Navigation Prediction / Rank 2 / SP: 90510 of 512000 Torpedoes / Rank 4 / SP: 1000 of 5657 Warhead Upgrades / Rank 5 / SP: 226275 of 1280000 Analytical Mind / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Clarity / Rank 3 / SP: 24000 of 135765 Eidetic Memory / Rank 3 / SP: 4243 of 24000 Empathy / Rank 1 / SP: 8000 of 45255 Focus / Rank 3 / SP: 4243 of 24000 Instant Recall / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Iron Will / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Learning / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Logic / Rank 3 / SP: 24000 of 135765 Spatial Awareness / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Combat Drone Operation / Rank 2 / SP: 16000 of 90510 Drone Durability / Rank 5 / SP: 1250 of 7072 Drones / Rank 1 / SP: 45255 of 256000 Scout Drone Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 8000 of 45255

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