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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.16 07:16:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 21:13:31
Reiisha, are those t2???
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
I dont agree with your sig. Amarr are punished by high cap use, high fitting and restricted damage type and not to mention mid slot gimped. The reason for all these draw backs are because amarr are supposed to be tank AND gank race because they are a one trick pony. Abaddon needs a bit more cap and geddon needs more cpu to do this better.
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Shira Rayborn
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.16 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
So we agree the Abaddon is brilliant for pvp. Therefore, no change needed.
(Gankadon with a tanking alt is excellent for pve btw)
No, abaddon caps out way too fast just by firing guns.
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William DeMeo
Thunder Talons
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.03.16 20:42:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Wu Jiun
1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
Trolly troll has never flown amarr.
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Sara Lin
Shadowrunners
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 21:13:31
Reiisha, are those t2???
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
T2 in the lows and mids, but named t1 or faction in the highs.
Unless you specifically need Aurora/range, i don't believe that 4-10% more damage on T2 is worth the 20-25% increased cap usage over named t1 and faction, something which is especially important to consider on an Abaddon.
It *is* possible, but difficult, i have to admit.
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Tai Paktu
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:31:00 -
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1/10. It's been done. Try harder.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Why hasnt the geddon gotten a cpu boost?
It got a CPU boost a few months ago. Try fitting Adapative Nano IIs instead of EANMs.
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And why didnt abaddond get a inherent cap boost like the apoc?
Because it's already one of the best Tier 3 Battleships there are and dosen't need a boost? It's supposed to be cap-hungry. My only gripe with it is that it dosen't have enough cargobay for boosters. Hint: Armour resist bonus = Passive Tank.
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Rutefly
Freedom-Technologies
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 07:01:00 -
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Like someone said, this game is about inblance so adapt. I do.. I never fly abaddon. A geddon gets a real decent output to almost no isk. 70 misk and you got a good geddon pewpew setup. Insure it and youre halfway to your next geddon.
Abaddon cost wtf and isnt really that spectacular. If amarr is non-solo gang animals, 2 geddons is better than an abaddon anyway. They can delete the abaddon for all i carfe, just leave my precious geddon.
/Geddon pilot since 1842.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
It got a CPU boost a few months ago. Try fitting Adapative Nano IIs instead of EANMs.
But all the other races can use EANMs, why is it always amarr that is stuck with adaptive nano IIs?
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Hint: Armour resist bonus = Passive Tank
And get killed by a single crow if he catches you at a belt or planet? No repper = comedy killmail risk
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
My only gripe with it is that it dosen't have enough cargobay for boosters.
Exactly. CCP have made and changed some amarr ships into something that absolutely NEEDS capboosters and alot more then any other ship in its class. BUT they havent given them large cargo holds to support it. IT NEEDS A FIX.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 17/03/2008 12:55:20
Why is this thread still going on?
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
But all the other races can use EANMs, why is it always amarr that is stuck with adaptive nano IIs?
I can fit eanms without problem on all my amarr ships. Get skills. Have you fitted a megathron lately? It isn't easy on cpu either if thats what you think.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
And get killed by a single crow if he catches you at a belt or planet? No repper = comedy killmail risk
What are you doing at a planet or belt solo? Oh right you're being stupid. An active tank will help you to do what exactly? Tank the crow until his friends arrive and rip you a new one?
Apart from that you can fit a single rep just fine on the baddon with mps if you feel the need to do solo work and no a crow won't break your tank.
Battleships are bad for solo work. I like to do it too once in a while. But nowadays where ceptors can tackle you without risk even if you have a heavy neut and warriors hanging around solo at belts or planets can get you killed in every single battleship in this game.
Edit: And whats the deal with the crow anyway? It doesn't even have a tackling range bonus. One activation of a heavy neut and you are free to go.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Battleships are bad for solo work. I like to do it too once in a while. But nowadays where ceptors can tackle you without risk even if you have a heavy neut and warriors hanging around solo at belts or planets can get you killed in every single battleship in this game.
1. Abaddon doesnt have a utility slot = No neut.
2. Abaddon works better with passive tank
3. Geddon is still short on cpu
4. Abaddon doesnt have cap to run active tank
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
1. Abaddon doesnt have a utility slot = No neut.
You can fit a neut if you'd like to. You sacrifice dps i hear? Oh wait you're going solo in a battleship maybe some compromises are mandatory?
My point though was that even if you had one it wouldn't help a bit against say a malediction or any other intie with tackling range bonus. So any other bs will just be as screwed.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
2. Abaddon works better with passive tank
So what? I recommended to use a passive tank in my very first post in this thread.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
3. Geddon is still short on cpu
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
4. Abaddon doesnt have cap to run active tank
Yes, you can run a single rep. If you have decent skills and some hardwirings it will last about as long as your cap charges anyway.
You can cry more but you will not get an abaddon that can run a dual rep on natural recharge, fit a heavy neut and smartnomb without compromising tank or dps, fit mwd without compromising cap and having 3 damage mods at the same time. Suck it up.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:58:00 -
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Hmm, change either armor resistances bonus or laser damage bonus for a laser cap bonus.
If you take away the armor resistance bonus, you just got another geddon.
If you take away the damage bonus, you basically got an apoc.
So why change the ship to something we already have?
A geddon got plenty of CPU, try not to fit tachs/beams on it. Ever see a typhoon fit 4x 1400 and 4x siege without fitting mods of some kind? Or any other tier 1 ship.
Yes, I would love to fit a dual rep tank with 7 tachs on a geddon, but then what is the use for Dual Heavy Beams or Mega beams?? If you fit DHB's you can easily fit a tank and EW, but get bad damage and low range.
Fit MB's and you're pressed on the tank part, but do good damage at good ranges (no, not talking sniper).
Fit Tachs, and you're really screwed tank wise. But you have good range and damage.
You see where I am going. You have to chose. Want to deal great damage, go fit tachs but don't expect to be able to do anything else. No tank, no speed and no EW.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:54:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
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Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:18:00 -
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Abaddon and 'geddon are just fine.
As soon as I can use t2 large pulses I'll be fitting up a gankaddon with just under 1000dps and just over 32k armour to chew through. With an EANM and a damage control. And a heavy cap booster meaning I can run it until the boosters die (which I can fill my hold with since crystals take up practically no room at all). And ECM drones. And that does over 700dps out to 45km with Scorch.
Most mega pilots would absolutely kill for that kind of power.
For someone skilled in heavy drones (and not a lowsec pirate :p) 'geddons do MORE damage but aren't as tough. Seriously, there was never a problem with these two ships.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
Answer me Wu Jiun!
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Lithel
The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2008.03.17 22:49:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Thenoran
And why didn't the Mining Barges get a CPU boost so they can actually fit two Mining Upgrades?
Or why didn't the Mackinaw get a CPU boost so you can fit two Ice Upagrdes?
Oh wait...
Who cares about the mining barges anyway?
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
I dont agree with your sig. Amarr are punished by high cap use, high fitting and restricted damage type and not to mention mid slot gimped. The reason for all these draw backs are because amarr are supposed to be tank AND gank race because they are a one trick pony. Abaddon needs a bit more cap and geddon needs more cpu to do this better.
This.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.19 19:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
Wow, you know its interesting that despite all that I can still fit 3 heat sinks, 2 plates, an eanm, cpr II and a damage control with a full rack of megapulse IIs. Heck, with a Cap Recharger II and a CPR II I can permarun the guns and that's with Controlled Bursts 4.
Here's a tip, Amarr battleships excel in:
(1) Passive tanks
(2) Gangs
(3) Remote repping (why would you _not_ use a geddon?)
But hey, I guess all 3 of those things are super rare in EVE, I mean I never ever see remote repping passive tank gangs.
I think I had a sarcasm overload.
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:12:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Antodias
Here's a tip, Amarr battleships excel in:
(1) Passive tanks
(2) Gangs
(3) Remote repping (why would you _not_ use a geddon?)
But hey, I guess all 3 of those things are super rare in EVE, I mean I never ever see remote repping passive tank gangs.
I think I had a sarcasm overload.
Passive tanks eh? So I cant fit a rep? So an inty can kill me if he catches me at a belt?
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:37:00 -
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Why does everyone keep going on about passive tanks. Serisouly if you cant fit/run 1 repper something is wrong. We atleast want 1 repper to be viable both tank and cap wise. Is it too much to ask?
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:47:00 -
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Lots of Megathron setups are repless these days, what's there to complain about?
Battleships generally don't fare too well when they active-tank (unless it's Shields) anyway. Their low resists means it dosen't provide much of a boost anyway and they consume a lot of cap. HP Buffers work a lot better in general, particually on cap-heavy ships (Amarr / Gallente)
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:23:00 -
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Suggestions:
You don't need to fit the largest guns on the Abaddon if your cap/fitting skills are not trained well.
You don't need to active tank every ship in the game, remember, you are not mission running anymore.
You don't need to fit all turret slots with a turret. Try fitting 7 turrets and a neut if you're that terrified of a crow.
And just so you know, the Rokh, Mega, Hyperion all have cap issues when running their guns for extended periods of time.
The game is not balanced around the fact that you were captured ratting in a belt by a crow.
Not to mention, you can easily rep the damage received with a single large repper and have no cap issues because you stopped firing, or I assume you would because you can't hit the Crow anyway.
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Darth Kenzie
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:17:00 -
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Well here is my 2isk.
All three of the amarr bs are pvp viable. With the exception of the Gallente no other race has a stronger line up of bs. (this is from my experience I can fly all races bs... some much better then others... i choose to fly amarr bs almost exclusivly). However Amarr ships are more skill intensive then most others, you need great fitting and cap skills be effective.
The 'Geddon can be fit to do massive dmg while sporting an amazing passive tank. Yes you do have to think about what you put on it to make it fit, but thats okay it won't hurt you. The geddon also has very nice drone bay which can be used to compensate for the lack of mids. Oh and it makes a hell of a bait ship.
When the design specs for the abaddon where released there was alot of talk about it lacking the cap usage per lvl. We were explicitly told that the idea was that it could do either massive dmg or tank a massive amount of dmg but that they didn't want it to be able to do both at once. Try to be creative with how you fit it.
TBH bs weren't meant to be solo ships, yes some can be but they are usually most effective in gangs. The amarr bs shine in fleets and do very well in smaller gangs. All in all I think they are just peachy.
If you want to whine about the amarr how about we hit the real issue... we are short a tec1 frig. I want another joke ship to mess around in.
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Wardeneo
BLL Wise Guys
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Why hasnt the geddon gotten a cpu boost? It clearly lacks cpu.
And why didnt abaddond get a inherent cap boost like the apoc? It clearly cant use its guns without capping out before normal engagements are over.
Why??
/me sighs - geddon is fine imho but hell lets give the geddon caldari equivelent cpu and let it keep its huge pg, this wud be good eh? ---> OMFG what a noob lol - u cant have everything m8 - so fit a CPU mod/raise ur WU skill/fit a cpu implant and lets go bk 2 real posts please eh?
wardeneo
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:55:00 -
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I vote the Geddon gets more CPU but only if my Nighthawk gets 200 more PG so i can fit it with HAMs, MWD, Passive Tank and triple bcus without any fitting mods. I mean it only makes sense dosen't it?
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
/me sighs - geddon is fine imho but hell lets give the geddon caldari equivelent cpu and let it keep its huge pg, this wud be good eh? ---> OMFG what a noob lol - u cant have everything m8 - so fit a CPU mod/raise ur WU skill/fit a cpu implant and lets go bk 2 real posts please eh?
wardeneo
Maybe because lasers are redicilously hard to fit? Maybe because lasers not only have huge pg but also huge cpu demands?
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I vote the Geddon gets more CPU but only if my Nighthawk gets 200 more PG so i can fit it with HAMs, MWD, Passive Tank and triple bcus without any fitting mods. I mean it only makes sense dosen't it?
Id say more cpu for geddon and drop pg fitting requirments for HAMs. Also add rocket and HAM damage. They need a little love.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
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Passive tanks eh? So I cant fit a rep? So an inty can kill me if he catches me at a belt?
Oh you can put a rep on, it just won't be as good as if you were in a passive tank gang (duh). You'll cap out/run out of boosters eventually anyway and the ceptor will still kill you.
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
Because some of us are trying to revive solo pvp and dont hide behind blobs? Oh but I see what you want, you want to kill solo pvp.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
Originally by: Antodias
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
Because some of us are trying to revive solo pvp and dont hide behind blobs? Oh but I see what you want, you want to kill solo pvp.
Yes it's true, I love 50 man battleship camps, apart from when I tackle solo amarr battleships in belts with a single interceptor and then hotdrop 15 carriers on them. 
No, Amarr battleships don't excel at solo pvp (apart from maybe station camping), but neither do any of the other battleships. Use cruisers/HACs for solo pvp, others will diaf to the nearest blob.
If your gripe is with the lack of solo battleships, maybe you should be more worried about current warfare mechanics than the battleships themselves.
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