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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:43:00 -
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Why hasnt the geddon gotten a cpu boost? It clearly lacks cpu.
And why didnt abaddond get a inherent cap boost like the apoc? It clearly cant use its guns without capping out before normal engagements are over.
Why??
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Thenoran
The People's Liberation Army
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:44:00 -
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And why didn't the Mining Barges get a CPU boost so they can actually fit two Mining Upgrades?
Or why didn't the Mackinaw get a CPU boost so you can fit two Ice Upagrdes?
Oh wait...
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Saint Lazarus
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:45:00 -
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And why didnt Jesus get higher nail resis's??
Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:45:00 -
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1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
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Brother Priad
Fluffy Bunny Killers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:45:00 -
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...and why didn't the absolution get a 4th med slot?
..why is the sky blue?
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Andrest Disch
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:45:00 -
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Abaddon and Geddon are fine, be gone troll.
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Imperator Jora'h
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:46:00 -
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Probably because they felt the Geddon and Abaddon are some of the few actually decent Amarr ships already (and they are both quite good in their own ways).
I'd love to see the Abaddon get more cap but frankly that would make it overpowered. Frankly I wish more battleships in EVE were like this where the fit really makes a huge difference and distinct compromises need to be made...but that's just me.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Brother Priad
...and why didn't the absolution get a 4th med slot?
..why is the sky blue?
Agreed! Abso needs 4th mid!
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Probably because they felt the Geddon and Abaddon are some of the few actually decent Amarr ships already (and they are both quite good in their own ways).
I'd love to see the Abaddon get more cap but frankly that would make it overpowered. Frankly I wish more battleships in EVE were like this where the fit really makes a huge difference and distinct compromises need to be made...but that's just me.
But if tempest gets 7th turret these ships will need a good boost to even get close to the new BS standard.
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 14/03/2008 19:06:56
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
I am flying it nearly any day of my life. I can fit 7 x mp 2, web, injector, eccm/sb/mwd what i want and a nice plated tank to boot with everything best named or t2. If i don't have that mwd i can even fit an online remote rep no problem.
In short: get skills noob before you come here crying like a little girl.
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
lol. how the hell is a crow gonna stop you from going back to the gate noob? and how is it that you never have friends when you are flying a tier3 bs thats obviously not geared towards solo play?
Apart from that you can use a single rep fitting just fine if you don't have stations or remote repping backup nearby. Hell, you have no clue about how closerange battleship combat actually works, do you?
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
lol. how the hell is a crow gonna stop you from going back to the gate noob? and how is it that you never have friends when you are flying a tier3 bs thats obviously not geared towards solo play?
Apart from that you can use a single rep fitting just fine if you don't have stations or remote repping backup nearby. Hell, you have no clue about how closerange battleship combat actually works, do you?
How is single rep abaddon passive tanked? And if its not passive, how do you combine your statements:
"fit passive or youll cap out"
"fit single rep or crow will kill you if youre in a belt/planet"
yep thats right, Id like to see you jump a gate when youre at a planet or belt.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
How is single rep abaddon passive tanked?
Obviously its not. You can still use it.
Originally by: Wu Jiun
And if its not passive, how do you combine your statements:
"fit passive or youll cap out"
"fit single rep or crow will kill you if youre in a belt/planet"
I have made non of these statements so what am i supposed to say here? I said i don't reccomend active tanking it. That doesn't mean you cannot do it though. And a single rep will not cap you out as quickly as you claim especially not against a crow.
Originally by: Wu Jiun
yep thats right, Id like to see you jump a gate when youre at a planet or belt.
If you are that stupid you are just asking to get killed. Oh a crow, wait i can't kill it and it can tackle me for as long as it likes - i am going to follow it to that planet... Right!
And an active tank is SO gonna safe you when his friends arrove 5 minutes later to gank you. l2p
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
If you are that stupid you are just asking to get killed. Oh a crow, wait i can't kill it and it can tackle me for as long as it likes - i am going to follow it to that planet... Right!
And an active tank is SO gonna safe you when his friends arrove 5 minutes later to gank you. l2p
Now youre just playing dumb. Maybe I was chasing something else to a planet and crow intercepts me. You know thats what inties do, they INTERCEPT. Not everyone plays blob-online either. Some of us try to solo you know and why should I be in the only ship that can be comedy killed by a crow because I dont have cap enough to run my guns even and even less a tank.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
Hmm first you say this. Then you say active tank it? Now wich is it?
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: Brother Priad
...and why didn't the absolution get a 4th med slot?
..why is the sky blue?
Agreed! Abso needs 4th mid!
This wouldnt hurt tbh.
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Drykor
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:57:00 -
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Pretty poor to see Amarr still are whining about their race.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 14/03/2008 19:58:45
Originally by: Drykor
Pretty poor to see Amarr still are whining about their race.
One could say the same about all the pathetic minmatar and gallente whine threads lately.
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ekalami
Pixies Under Pressure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:03:00 -
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Yes please, more cpu for the geddon. And more cap.
Can we have a drone bonus for the abbadon please? And more cap.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: ekalami
Yes please, more cpu for the geddon. And more cap.
Can we have a drone bonus for the abbadon please? And more cap.
/signed.
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ekalami
Pixies Under Pressure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
/signed.
ROFL! Erm that was actually a joke. I'm new to the amarr whining. I really thought that was such an overpowered suggestion, that even amarr-whiners would object 
You will have to excuse me, i'm new to the fold. This is definitely the race to crosstrain to 
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
/signed.
ROFL! Erm that was actually a joke. I'm new to the amarr whining. I really thought that was such an overpowered suggestion, that even amarr-whiners would object
You will have to excuse me, i'm new to the fold. This is definitely the race to crosstrain to
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
/signed.
ROFL! Erm that was actually a joke. I'm new to the amarr whining. I really thought that was such an overpowered suggestion, that even amarr-whiners would object
You will have to excuse me, i'm new to the fold. This is definitely the race to crosstrain to
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
get better skills or fit faction cap reducing crystal an Abbadon is easy to fit fly and balance the cap for. And the geddon is fine for cpu stop being idiots.
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ekalami
Pixies Under Pressure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
get better skills or fit faction cap reducing crystal an Abbadon is easy to fit fly and balance the cap for. And the geddon is fine for cpu stop being idiots.
Haha ok, so we gotta fit faction mods to make our ships work normal like everyone elses? Youre funny.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
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ekalami
Pixies Under Pressure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
Absolutely. What do you reckon? Double the cap perhaps. Add drone bonus as well so can continue doing damage when/if cap runs out?
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 14/03/2008 20:30:43
Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 14/03/2008 20:29:48
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
Absolutely. What do you reckon? Double the cap perhaps. Add drone bonus as well so can continue doing damage when/if cap runs out?
I want the cap recharge of the abaddon to be this high:
cap recharge abaddon + gun cap use = cap recharge of maelstrom
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ekalami
Pixies Under Pressure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
I want the cap recharge of the abaddon to be this high:
cap recharge abaddon + gun cap use = cap recharge of maelstrom
That implies you want the lasers on the abaddon to effectively use no cap at all?(since projectiles use no cap) Thats an excellent idea. Of course you would have to do the same for all other amarr laser boats to keep balance.
That would leave gallente as the only race with cap-using guns.
This man speaks sense, are you listening zulupark?
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Iskmaker Risktaker
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
You've apparently never flown a Megathron.
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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Iskmaker Risktaker
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
You've apparently never flown a Megathron.
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
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Burnharder
Tiny Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Burnharder on 14/03/2008 21:11:21
Originally by: Lodhi
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
I fly one. If you cap rig it and fit one CRII or CPR you'll be fine for a few minutes ;).
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Some of us try to solo you know and why should I be in the only ship that can be comedy killed by a crow because I dont have cap enough to run my guns even and even less a tank.
Shame a Crow probably wouldn't even get through your shields in the first place, huh?
It can. You fail.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lodhi
Originally by: Iskmaker Risktaker
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
You've apparently never flown a Megathron.
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
QFT.
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Athena Nyx
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:25:00 -
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The Geddon is a bit tight on fittings, but all my setups fit (Allthough a little bit more CPU would be nice). I think it is fine where it is now, you just need skills.
The Abaddon does cap out rather quickly, but i've never fit an active tank on it.
Amarr ships are fine, you just need to know how to fit them.
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The TX
Earth Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:33:00 -
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...and why didn't I get a picture of Bill Oddie with a massive torch?
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Azirapheal
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
you know, if you fit light beam laser 2's it can pew pew all day :D
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ThatCpp
Knights Of the Black Sun
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:34:00 -
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The OP sounds like he's still on a trial account and has never actually gotten past flying a frig yet. Many game mechanics may seem screwed up to people who are in-experienced, but there are reasons to why certain weapons take cap and some don't, and some use both. The balance between weapons are fairly good, the real problem with lasers was damage type and that has already been addressed in this patch.
To those who don't understand why so many people are disagreeing with geddon and abaddon boosts, try flying battleships so you can get some experience and get a real feel for balance.
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claire xxx
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
And why didnt Jesus get higher nail resis's??
i just coughed my coffee all over my screen 
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: ThatCpp
The OP sounds like he's still on a trial account and has never actually gotten past flying a frig yet. Many game mechanics may seem screwed up to people who are in-experienced, but there are reasons to why certain weapons take cap and some don't, and some use both. The balance between weapons are fairly good, the real problem with lasers was damage type and that has already been addressed in this patch.
To those who don't understand why so many people are disagreeing with geddon and abaddon boosts, try flying battleships so you can get some experience and get a real feel for balance.
Please post constructively. There's no place for logic and reasoning here.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Wu Jiun
1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
Yes we have fitted several geddons, and sicen the last time it got upgraded its rpetty easy to fit.
And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships?
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If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Sergo Mor'Zert
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.15 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships?
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sergo Mor'Zert
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships?
Hey you still didnt noticed its a jojo alt?
Don 't think so, he didnt askjed to remove all cap usage from lasers.
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dAn melax
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:25:00 -
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Go away ! Features and Ideas Discussion
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Darkmist Starpain
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Don 't think so, he didnt askjed to remove all cap usage from lasers.
I saw what you did there!
And yeah definately Geddon and Baddon needs a boost. Geddon needs a 3rd bonus which should be +5% damage per amarr battleship skill level. Baddon needs a 3rd bonus also that should be +5% armor hitpoints per amarr battleship skill level.
Also the Harbinger needs the 8th turret so the turret placement wouldn't look so darn *** (look under it's chin with 7 turrets). Absolution must have a 7th turret also to be competitive with the Harbinger. Both also need +50 CPU and +357.15 PG increase to accommodate the new turret.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:39:00 -
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God this "They got a boost so now I want one!" mentality has to stop. Ships are altered WHEN THEY NEED TO BE. The designers aren't deliberately witholding changes for kicks, they're witholding them because they feel ship X is already roughly comparable to ship Y.
This isn't rocket surgery.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:41:00 -
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Can someone please explain to me why newbies always want to fly all ships perfectly with all their skills on level 1?
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Elias Demorrich
The Raging Armada
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:41:00 -
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Since the last replies from Amira/Sir Dance Alot are but a day fresh I will reply to the silliness of their logic and not just shake my head...
You...do...not...active tank amarr battleships for pvp. Death by crow in a belt is not gonna happen; you will not be there without support, otherwise you are there ratting, a whole different ballgame.
In a reasonable sized fight you will last all of gee 30 seconds anyway? Thats what 2 cycles at most?
The only situation i'd abuse these by active tanking is for bait...you don't care about wasting cap on lasers/damage...fit 2 cap boosters/3 LAR's or such and then the active is worth it.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Antodias on 15/03/2008 11:54:53
As I thought someone once put it well in another thread:
Quote:
MOAR BOOST!!!!1111
It should be able to fit and run 8 tachyons and have a 100% damage bonus and each shot should create unicorns and kittens out of thin air.
Furthermore, the Dominix should have enough PG to be able to fit a full rack of Neutron Cannons and a Heavy Neut while still able to dual rep with enough CPU to give 85% resistances and the drone bonus should be increased to 20% per level since some Amarr ships have the 10% bonus when gallente are clearly the drone race. And don't even start me on the Megathron! 
Am I doing it right?
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X99 Z990
the united
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:57:00 -
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Geddons and Abaddons suck. Please carry out all the boosts menchioned in this thread.
I get killed by crows regularly when im in the asteroid belts mining for ombers in my abaddon.
My geddon doesnt have enough CPU for its mining upgrades.
Im so angry. Why havent they gotten their much needed boost yet?
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.15 12:49:00 -
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Has anyone spotted the new Jonny MoJo/JoJo yet?
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Originally by: Mitnal
Locked, one troll after another.
Mitnal,
Community Representative
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Khadur
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 14:26:00 -
[52]
train moar skillz nub!
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Ilzam
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Can someone please explain to me why newbies always want to fly all ships perfectly with all their skills on level 1?
they're used to paying a chinese sweatshop to level their WoW character to 70 for them. actual time and effort is entirely alien to them.
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Neuromandis
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:33:00 -
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Μάθανε οτι γαμιόμαστε, πλακώσανε και οι βλάχοι...
Sorry couldn't resist, it's a not-so-old greek proverd, translation later...
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
I want the cap recharge of the abaddon to be this high:
cap recharge abaddon + gun cap use = cap recharge of maelstrom
This. I think it sounds resonable for balance. Why should other ships have more cap when you start counting gun cap usage into the recharge?
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Perfect Diamond
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 20:44:51
The plain fact is that the abaddon needs:
3 cap rigs
4 medium cap modules
1 low cap module
This is just to run a full rack of t2 megas and 1 large armor. AND THIS IS WITH MAX SKILLS. Meaning many players might need 1 more.
Let says you fit a mwd. Don't online it. Just fit it. With the cap penalty this means that the abaddon has to fit.
3 cap rigs
3 medium cap mods(cap rechargers)
3 low slot cap mods(CPRII)
This means that you have 1 armor rep and three other low slots to fit a tank. WHERE DID THE TANK GO. Damage is in the 600s but tank is in the high 200s. Not to mention, the abaddon never has the chance to fit ewar in the mids (i.e. warp disruptor, web, ECM) if it doesn't fit a cap booster. Any Caldari's going to complain about this?
The plain fact is that allot of other bs can fit full t2 rack of guns and 1 LAR with one or two less cap mods. Why not the abaddon also.
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:52:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 20:44:51
The plain fact is that the abaddon needs:
3 cap rigs
4 medium cap modules
1 low cap module
This is just to run a full rack of t2 megas and 1 large armor. AND THIS IS WITH MAX SKILLS. Meaning many players might need 1 more.
Let says you fit a mwd. Don't online it. Just fit it. With the cap penalty this means that the abaddon has to fit.
3 cap rigs
3 medium cap mods(cap rechargers)
3 low slot cap mods(CPRII)
This means that you have 1 armor rep and three other low slots to fit a tank. WHERE DID THE TANK GO. Damage is in the 600s but tank is in the high 200s. Not to mention, the abaddon never has the chance to fit ewar in the mids (i.e. warp disruptor, web, ECM) if it doesn't fit a cap booster. Any Caldari's going to complain about this?
The plain fact is that allot of other bs can fit full t2 rack of guns and 1 LAR with one or two less cap mods. Why not the abaddon also.
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
With perfect skills you don't need the extra low slot cap module. I can run 8 mega beams and a 7-slot single rep tank with 'just' 4 cr2 and 3 ccc1.
With the extra resists and armor on an Abaddon, you'll very probably lose it less frequently than an Armageddon, so imho the price is worth it. Also, it looks cooler :)
FYI: You can run an 8 mega pulse/dual rep setup on an abaddon, with just passive cap recharge.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:55:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
Because active tanked abaddons NEVER DIE.
Everyone sacrifices something. The Abaddon has tons and tons of CPU & PG and if it were better with cap, it would have absolutely everything. The damage and tank capabilities are phonomenal - but in exchange it is reliant on cap boosters (as are lots of other ships).
It's called compromise, and every half way competent player is familar with it.
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 21:13:00 -
[59]
Dear OP,
this game is about IMBALANCE.
So adapt kthxstfudiebye
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 21:25:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
Awesome.
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
So we agree the Abaddon is brilliant for pvp. Therefore, no change needed.
(Gankadon with a tanking alt is excellent for pve btw)
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.16 07:16:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 21:13:31
Reiisha, are those t2???
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
I dont agree with your sig. Amarr are punished by high cap use, high fitting and restricted damage type and not to mention mid slot gimped. The reason for all these draw backs are because amarr are supposed to be tank AND gank race because they are a one trick pony. Abaddon needs a bit more cap and geddon needs more cpu to do this better.
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Shira Rayborn
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.16 18:43:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Antodias
So we agree the Abaddon is brilliant for pvp. Therefore, no change needed.
(Gankadon with a tanking alt is excellent for pve btw)
No, abaddon caps out way too fast just by firing guns.
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William DeMeo
Thunder Talons
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.03.16 20:42:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Wu Jiun
1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
Trolly troll has never flown amarr.
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Sara Lin
Shadowrunners
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 21:13:31
Reiisha, are those t2???
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
T2 in the lows and mids, but named t1 or faction in the highs.
Unless you specifically need Aurora/range, i don't believe that 4-10% more damage on T2 is worth the 20-25% increased cap usage over named t1 and faction, something which is especially important to consider on an Abaddon.
It *is* possible, but difficult, i have to admit.
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Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:31:00 -
[65]
1/10. It's been done. Try harder.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.17 01:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Why hasnt the geddon gotten a cpu boost?
It got a CPU boost a few months ago. Try fitting Adapative Nano IIs instead of EANMs.
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And why didnt abaddond get a inherent cap boost like the apoc?
Because it's already one of the best Tier 3 Battleships there are and dosen't need a boost? It's supposed to be cap-hungry. My only gripe with it is that it dosen't have enough cargobay for boosters. Hint: Armour resist bonus = Passive Tank.
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Rutefly
Freedom-Technologies
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 07:01:00 -
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Like someone said, this game is about inblance so adapt. I do.. I never fly abaddon. A geddon gets a real decent output to almost no isk. 70 misk and you got a good geddon pewpew setup. Insure it and youre halfway to your next geddon.
Abaddon cost wtf and isnt really that spectacular. If amarr is non-solo gang animals, 2 geddons is better than an abaddon anyway. They can delete the abaddon for all i carfe, just leave my precious geddon.
/Geddon pilot since 1842.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:25:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
It got a CPU boost a few months ago. Try fitting Adapative Nano IIs instead of EANMs.
But all the other races can use EANMs, why is it always amarr that is stuck with adaptive nano IIs?
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Hint: Armour resist bonus = Passive Tank
And get killed by a single crow if he catches you at a belt or planet? No repper = comedy killmail risk
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
My only gripe with it is that it dosen't have enough cargobay for boosters.
Exactly. CCP have made and changed some amarr ships into something that absolutely NEEDS capboosters and alot more then any other ship in its class. BUT they havent given them large cargo holds to support it. IT NEEDS A FIX.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:51:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 17/03/2008 12:55:20
Why is this thread still going on?
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
But all the other races can use EANMs, why is it always amarr that is stuck with adaptive nano IIs?
I can fit eanms without problem on all my amarr ships. Get skills. Have you fitted a megathron lately? It isn't easy on cpu either if thats what you think.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
And get killed by a single crow if he catches you at a belt or planet? No repper = comedy killmail risk
What are you doing at a planet or belt solo? Oh right you're being stupid. An active tank will help you to do what exactly? Tank the crow until his friends arrive and rip you a new one?
Apart from that you can fit a single rep just fine on the baddon with mps if you feel the need to do solo work and no a crow won't break your tank.
Battleships are bad for solo work. I like to do it too once in a while. But nowadays where ceptors can tackle you without risk even if you have a heavy neut and warriors hanging around solo at belts or planets can get you killed in every single battleship in this game.
Edit: And whats the deal with the crow anyway? It doesn't even have a tackling range bonus. One activation of a heavy neut and you are free to go.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:56:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Battleships are bad for solo work. I like to do it too once in a while. But nowadays where ceptors can tackle you without risk even if you have a heavy neut and warriors hanging around solo at belts or planets can get you killed in every single battleship in this game.
1. Abaddon doesnt have a utility slot = No neut.
2. Abaddon works better with passive tank
3. Geddon is still short on cpu
4. Abaddon doesnt have cap to run active tank
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:03:00 -
[71]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
1. Abaddon doesnt have a utility slot = No neut.
You can fit a neut if you'd like to. You sacrifice dps i hear? Oh wait you're going solo in a battleship maybe some compromises are mandatory?
My point though was that even if you had one it wouldn't help a bit against say a malediction or any other intie with tackling range bonus. So any other bs will just be as screwed.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
2. Abaddon works better with passive tank
So what? I recommended to use a passive tank in my very first post in this thread.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
3. Geddon is still short on cpu
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
4. Abaddon doesnt have cap to run active tank
Yes, you can run a single rep. If you have decent skills and some hardwirings it will last about as long as your cap charges anyway.
You can cry more but you will not get an abaddon that can run a dual rep on natural recharge, fit a heavy neut and smartnomb without compromising tank or dps, fit mwd without compromising cap and having 3 damage mods at the same time. Suck it up.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:58:00 -
[72]
Hmm, change either armor resistances bonus or laser damage bonus for a laser cap bonus.
If you take away the armor resistance bonus, you just got another geddon.
If you take away the damage bonus, you basically got an apoc.
So why change the ship to something we already have?
A geddon got plenty of CPU, try not to fit tachs/beams on it. Ever see a typhoon fit 4x 1400 and 4x siege without fitting mods of some kind? Or any other tier 1 ship.
Yes, I would love to fit a dual rep tank with 7 tachs on a geddon, but then what is the use for Dual Heavy Beams or Mega beams?? If you fit DHB's you can easily fit a tank and EW, but get bad damage and low range.
Fit MB's and you're pressed on the tank part, but do good damage at good ranges (no, not talking sniper).
Fit Tachs, and you're really screwed tank wise. But you have good range and damage.
You see where I am going. You have to chose. Want to deal great damage, go fit tachs but don't expect to be able to do anything else. No tank, no speed and no EW.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:54:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
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Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:18:00 -
[74]
Abaddon and 'geddon are just fine.
As soon as I can use t2 large pulses I'll be fitting up a gankaddon with just under 1000dps and just over 32k armour to chew through. With an EANM and a damage control. And a heavy cap booster meaning I can run it until the boosters die (which I can fill my hold with since crystals take up practically no room at all). And ECM drones. And that does over 700dps out to 45km with Scorch.
Most mega pilots would absolutely kill for that kind of power.
For someone skilled in heavy drones (and not a lowsec pirate :p) 'geddons do MORE damage but aren't as tough. Seriously, there was never a problem with these two ships.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
Answer me Wu Jiun!
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Lithel
The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2008.03.17 22:49:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Thenoran
And why didn't the Mining Barges get a CPU boost so they can actually fit two Mining Upgrades?
Or why didn't the Mackinaw get a CPU boost so you can fit two Ice Upagrdes?
Oh wait...
Who cares about the mining barges anyway?
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:29:00 -
[77]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
I dont agree with your sig. Amarr are punished by high cap use, high fitting and restricted damage type and not to mention mid slot gimped. The reason for all these draw backs are because amarr are supposed to be tank AND gank race because they are a one trick pony. Abaddon needs a bit more cap and geddon needs more cpu to do this better.
This.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.19 19:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Like a gank megathron too. Whats the deal? You are not supposed to fit anything you want with little to no compromise. Its called balance.
Geddon still short on cpu and I can tell you why. It has 8 lows and basically everything that goes into a low, damage mods and tank, draw huge amounts of cpu, wich amarr ships inherently arent designed for. Its not much but just a few points more cpu really would fix geddon.
Wow, you know its interesting that despite all that I can still fit 3 heat sinks, 2 plates, an eanm, cpr II and a damage control with a full rack of megapulse IIs. Heck, with a Cap Recharger II and a CPR II I can permarun the guns and that's with Controlled Bursts 4.
Here's a tip, Amarr battleships excel in:
(1) Passive tanks
(2) Gangs
(3) Remote repping (why would you _not_ use a geddon?)
But hey, I guess all 3 of those things are super rare in EVE, I mean I never ever see remote repping passive tank gangs.
I think I had a sarcasm overload.
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:12:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Antodias
Here's a tip, Amarr battleships excel in:
(1) Passive tanks
(2) Gangs
(3) Remote repping (why would you _not_ use a geddon?)
But hey, I guess all 3 of those things are super rare in EVE, I mean I never ever see remote repping passive tank gangs.
I think I had a sarcasm overload.
Passive tanks eh? So I cant fit a rep? So an inty can kill me if he catches me at a belt?
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:37:00 -
[80]
Why does everyone keep going on about passive tanks. Serisouly if you cant fit/run 1 repper something is wrong. We atleast want 1 repper to be viable both tank and cap wise. Is it too much to ask?
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:47:00 -
[81]
Lots of Megathron setups are repless these days, what's there to complain about?
Battleships generally don't fare too well when they active-tank (unless it's Shields) anyway. Their low resists means it dosen't provide much of a boost anyway and they consume a lot of cap. HP Buffers work a lot better in general, particually on cap-heavy ships (Amarr / Gallente)
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:23:00 -
[82]
Suggestions:
You don't need to fit the largest guns on the Abaddon if your cap/fitting skills are not trained well.
You don't need to active tank every ship in the game, remember, you are not mission running anymore.
You don't need to fit all turret slots with a turret. Try fitting 7 turrets and a neut if you're that terrified of a crow.
And just so you know, the Rokh, Mega, Hyperion all have cap issues when running their guns for extended periods of time.
The game is not balanced around the fact that you were captured ratting in a belt by a crow.
Not to mention, you can easily rep the damage received with a single large repper and have no cap issues because you stopped firing, or I assume you would because you can't hit the Crow anyway.
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Darth Kenzie
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:17:00 -
[83]
Well here is my 2isk.
All three of the amarr bs are pvp viable. With the exception of the Gallente no other race has a stronger line up of bs. (this is from my experience I can fly all races bs... some much better then others... i choose to fly amarr bs almost exclusivly). However Amarr ships are more skill intensive then most others, you need great fitting and cap skills be effective.
The 'Geddon can be fit to do massive dmg while sporting an amazing passive tank. Yes you do have to think about what you put on it to make it fit, but thats okay it won't hurt you. The geddon also has very nice drone bay which can be used to compensate for the lack of mids. Oh and it makes a hell of a bait ship.
When the design specs for the abaddon where released there was alot of talk about it lacking the cap usage per lvl. We were explicitly told that the idea was that it could do either massive dmg or tank a massive amount of dmg but that they didn't want it to be able to do both at once. Try to be creative with how you fit it.
TBH bs weren't meant to be solo ships, yes some can be but they are usually most effective in gangs. The amarr bs shine in fleets and do very well in smaller gangs. All in all I think they are just peachy.
If you want to whine about the amarr how about we hit the real issue... we are short a tec1 frig. I want another joke ship to mess around in.
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Wardeneo
BLL Wise Guys
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:44:00 -
[84]
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Why hasnt the geddon gotten a cpu boost? It clearly lacks cpu.
And why didnt abaddond get a inherent cap boost like the apoc? It clearly cant use its guns without capping out before normal engagements are over.
Why??
/me sighs - geddon is fine imho but hell lets give the geddon caldari equivelent cpu and let it keep its huge pg, this wud be good eh? ---> OMFG what a noob lol - u cant have everything m8 - so fit a CPU mod/raise ur WU skill/fit a cpu implant and lets go bk 2 real posts please eh?
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:55:00 -
[85]
I vote the Geddon gets more CPU but only if my Nighthawk gets 200 more PG so i can fit it with HAMs, MWD, Passive Tank and triple bcus without any fitting mods. I mean it only makes sense dosen't it?
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 10:49:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Wardeneo
/me sighs - geddon is fine imho but hell lets give the geddon caldari equivelent cpu and let it keep its huge pg, this wud be good eh? ---> OMFG what a noob lol - u cant have everything m8 - so fit a CPU mod/raise ur WU skill/fit a cpu implant and lets go bk 2 real posts please eh?
wardeneo
Maybe because lasers are redicilously hard to fit? Maybe because lasers not only have huge pg but also huge cpu demands?
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:42:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I vote the Geddon gets more CPU but only if my Nighthawk gets 200 more PG so i can fit it with HAMs, MWD, Passive Tank and triple bcus without any fitting mods. I mean it only makes sense dosen't it?
Id say more cpu for geddon and drop pg fitting requirments for HAMs. Also add rocket and HAM damage. They need a little love.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:53:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
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Passive tanks eh? So I cant fit a rep? So an inty can kill me if he catches me at a belt?
Oh you can put a rep on, it just won't be as good as if you were in a passive tank gang (duh). You'll cap out/run out of boosters eventually anyway and the ceptor will still kill you.
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Antodias
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
Because some of us are trying to revive solo pvp and dont hide behind blobs? Oh but I see what you want, you want to kill solo pvp.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:09:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
Originally by: Antodias
But we're leaving out the biggest question, which is why are you at a belt solo and unaligned? Why are you even in a battleship in lowsec/zerosec without out a gang?
You convienently left out the other 2 points that go hand in hand with passive tanks.
Because some of us are trying to revive solo pvp and dont hide behind blobs? Oh but I see what you want, you want to kill solo pvp.
Yes it's true, I love 50 man battleship camps, apart from when I tackle solo amarr battleships in belts with a single interceptor and then hotdrop 15 carriers on them.
No, Amarr battleships don't excel at solo pvp (apart from maybe station camping), but neither do any of the other battleships. Use cruisers/HACs for solo pvp, others will diaf to the nearest blob.
If your gripe is with the lack of solo battleships, maybe you should be more worried about current warfare mechanics than the battleships themselves.
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:40:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Antodias
If your gripe is with the lack of solo battleships, maybe you should be more worried about current warfare mechanics than the battleships themselves.
We both know ccp is more likely to change ships then to change warfare mechanics.
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:39:00 -
[92]
And regardless, you will still die to the Crow. No magic cap or PG boost will stop him from outrunning your guns and drones.
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Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:51:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Stuart Price on 20/03/2008 17:51:18
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
And regardless, you will still die to the Crow. No magic cap or PG boost will stop him from outrunning your guns and drones.
Heavy
Energy
Neutraliser
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Telal
Not Getting Any Younger
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Posted - 2008.03.20 18:02:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Stuart Price
Edited by: Stuart Price on 20/03/2008 17:51:18
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
And regardless, you will still die to the Crow. No magic cap or PG boost will stop him from outrunning your guns and drones.
Heavy
Energy
Neutraliser
owned. The crow can go eat a ****
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