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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Iskmaker Risktaker
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
You've apparently never flown a Megathron.
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
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Burnharder
Tiny Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Burnharder on 14/03/2008 21:11:21
Originally by: Lodhi
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
I fly one. If you cap rig it and fit one CRII or CPR you'll be fine for a few minutes ;).
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Amira Shadowsong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Some of us try to solo you know and why should I be in the only ship that can be comedy killed by a crow because I dont have cap enough to run my guns even and even less a tank.
Shame a Crow probably wouldn't even get through your shields in the first place, huh?
It can. You fail.
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SirDanceAlot
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lodhi
Originally by: Iskmaker Risktaker
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
You've apparently never flown a Megathron.
its apparent that you havent flown a abaddon i see.
QFT.
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Athena Nyx
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:25:00 -
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The Geddon is a bit tight on fittings, but all my setups fit (Allthough a little bit more CPU would be nice). I think it is fine where it is now, you just need skills.
The Abaddon does cap out rather quickly, but i've never fit an active tank on it.
Amarr ships are fine, you just need to know how to fit them. _____________________________________________________
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The TX
Earth Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:33:00 -
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...and why didn't I get a picture of Bill Oddie with a massive torch?
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Azirapheal
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.15 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: ekalami
Originally by: SirDanceAlot Geddon needs cpu and abaddon needs to be able to run its guns without a booster. Yeah ONLY guns without booster, that would be nice.
/me tries to put serious face back on.
Absolutely. And more cap.
Its stupid that it cant fire its guns without a cap booster. Thats unheard of.
you know, if you fit light beam laser 2's it can pew pew all day :D
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ThatCpp
Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:34:00 -
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The OP sounds like he's still on a trial account and has never actually gotten past flying a frig yet. Many game mechanics may seem screwed up to people who are in-experienced, but there are reasons to why certain weapons take cap and some don't, and some use both. The balance between weapons are fairly good, the real problem with lasers was damage type and that has already been addressed in this patch.
To those who don't understand why so many people are disagreeing with geddon and abaddon boosts, try flying battleships so you can get some experience and get a real feel for balance.
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claire xxx
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus And why didnt Jesus get higher nail resis's??
i just coughed my coffee all over my screen
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: ThatCpp The OP sounds like he's still on a trial account and has never actually gotten past flying a frig yet. Many game mechanics may seem screwed up to people who are in-experienced, but there are reasons to why certain weapons take cap and some don't, and some use both. The balance between weapons are fairly good, the real problem with lasers was damage type and that has already been addressed in this patch.
To those who don't understand why so many people are disagreeing with geddon and abaddon boosts, try flying battleships so you can get some experience and get a real feel for balance.
Please post constructively. There's no place for logic and reasoning here.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Wu Jiun 1. Geddon got a cpu boost in one of the patches last year. It doesn't need more.
2. Abaddon is fine. Its supposed to cap out quickly. Stop active tanking it thats wrong.
1. Have you tried fitting a geddon?
2. No active tank? Thats begging for a comedy kill mail like "crow kills abaddon solo."
Yes we have fitted several geddons, and sicen the last time it got upgraded its rpetty easy to fit.
And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships? ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Sergo Mor'Zert
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.15 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships?
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sergo Mor'Zert
Originally by: Kagura Nikon And ROLF at idea of usign active tank on amarr BS! That is what plates are for!!! Do you notice this second item you enumerate is sooo much noobness that you have sealed forever all your future of any minimal repect on these forumjs when discussing ships?
Hey you still didnt noticed its a jojo alt?
Don 't think so, he didnt askjed to remove all cap usage from lasers. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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dAn melax
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:25:00 -
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Go away ! Features and Ideas Discussion Play Hard. Go Pro. |
Darkmist Starpain
Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Don 't think so, he didnt askjed to remove all cap usage from lasers.
I saw what you did there!
And yeah definately Geddon and Baddon needs a boost. Geddon needs a 3rd bonus which should be +5% damage per amarr battleship skill level. Baddon needs a 3rd bonus also that should be +5% armor hitpoints per amarr battleship skill level.
Also the Harbinger needs the 8th turret so the turret placement wouldn't look so darn *** (look under it's chin with 7 turrets). Absolution must have a 7th turret also to be competitive with the Harbinger. Both also need +50 CPU and +357.15 PG increase to accommodate the new turret.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:39:00 -
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God this "They got a boost so now I want one!" mentality has to stop. Ships are altered WHEN THEY NEED TO BE. The designers aren't deliberately witholding changes for kicks, they're witholding them because they feel ship X is already roughly comparable to ship Y.
This isn't rocket surgery. --------------- you all smell! |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:41:00 -
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Can someone please explain to me why newbies always want to fly all ships perfectly with all their skills on level 1?
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Elias Demorrich
The Raging Armada Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:41:00 -
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Since the last replies from Amira/Sir Dance Alot are but a day fresh I will reply to the silliness of their logic and not just shake my head...
You...do...not...active tank amarr battleships for pvp. Death by crow in a belt is not gonna happen; you will not be there without support, otherwise you are there ratting, a whole different ballgame.
In a reasonable sized fight you will last all of gee 30 seconds anyway? Thats what 2 cycles at most?
The only situation i'd abuse these by active tanking is for bait...you don't care about wasting cap on lasers/damage...fit 2 cap boosters/3 LAR's or such and then the active is worth it.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Antodias on 15/03/2008 11:54:53 As I thought someone once put it well in another thread:
Quote: MOAR BOOST!!!!1111
It should be able to fit and run 8 tachyons and have a 100% damage bonus and each shot should create unicorns and kittens out of thin air.
Furthermore, the Dominix should have enough PG to be able to fit a full rack of Neutron Cannons and a Heavy Neut while still able to dual rep with enough CPU to give 85% resistances and the drone bonus should be increased to 20% per level since some Amarr ships have the 10% bonus when gallente are clearly the drone race. And don't even start me on the Megathron!
Am I doing it right?
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X99 Z990
the united Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:57:00 -
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Geddons and Abaddons suck. Please carry out all the boosts menchioned in this thread.
I get killed by crows regularly when im in the asteroid belts mining for ombers in my abaddon.
My geddon doesnt have enough CPU for its mining upgrades.
Im so angry. Why havent they gotten their much needed boost yet?
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.15 12:49:00 -
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Has anyone spotted the new Jonny MoJo/JoJo yet?
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another.
Mitnal, Community Representative
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Khadur
Spartan Industries Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 14:26:00 -
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train moar skillz nub!
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Ilzam
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Can someone please explain to me why newbies always want to fly all ships perfectly with all their skills on level 1?
they're used to paying a chinese sweatshop to level their WoW character to 70 for them. actual time and effort is entirely alien to them.
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Neuromandis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:33:00 -
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Μάθανε οτι γαμιόμαστε, πλακώσανε και οι βλάχοι...
Sorry couldn't resist, it's a not-so-old greek proverd, translation later... --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
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Angelic Eviaran
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
I want the cap recharge of the abaddon to be this high:
cap recharge abaddon + gun cap use = cap recharge of maelstrom
This. I think it sounds resonable for balance. Why should other ships have more cap when you start counting gun cap usage into the recharge?
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Perfect Diamond
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 20:44:51
The plain fact is that the abaddon needs: 3 cap rigs 4 medium cap modules 1 low cap module
This is just to run a full rack of t2 megas and 1 large armor. AND THIS IS WITH MAX SKILLS. Meaning many players might need 1 more.
Let says you fit a mwd. Don't online it. Just fit it. With the cap penalty this means that the abaddon has to fit. 3 cap rigs 3 medium cap mods(cap rechargers) 3 low slot cap mods(CPRII)
This means that you have 1 armor rep and three other low slots to fit a tank. WHERE DID THE TANK GO. Damage is in the 600s but tank is in the high 200s. Not to mention, the abaddon never has the chance to fit ewar in the mids (i.e. warp disruptor, web, ECM) if it doesn't fit a cap booster. Any Caldari's going to complain about this?
The plain fact is that allot of other bs can fit full t2 rack of guns and 1 LAR with one or two less cap mods. Why not the abaddon also.
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Perfect Diamond Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 15/03/2008 20:44:51
The plain fact is that the abaddon needs: 3 cap rigs 4 medium cap modules 1 low cap module
This is just to run a full rack of t2 megas and 1 large armor. AND THIS IS WITH MAX SKILLS. Meaning many players might need 1 more.
Let says you fit a mwd. Don't online it. Just fit it. With the cap penalty this means that the abaddon has to fit. 3 cap rigs 3 medium cap mods(cap rechargers) 3 low slot cap mods(CPRII)
This means that you have 1 armor rep and three other low slots to fit a tank. WHERE DID THE TANK GO. Damage is in the 600s but tank is in the high 200s. Not to mention, the abaddon never has the chance to fit ewar in the mids (i.e. warp disruptor, web, ECM) if it doesn't fit a cap booster. Any Caldari's going to complain about this?
The plain fact is that allot of other bs can fit full t2 rack of guns and 1 LAR with one or two less cap mods. Why not the abaddon also.
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
With perfect skills you don't need the extra low slot cap module. I can run 8 mega beams and a 7-slot single rep tank with 'just' 4 cr2 and 3 ccc1.
With the extra resists and armor on an Abaddon, you'll very probably lose it less frequently than an Armageddon, so imho the price is worth it. Also, it looks cooler :)
FYI: You can run an 8 mega pulse/dual rep setup on an abaddon, with just passive cap recharge.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Perfect Diamond
If anyone says to passive tank an abaddon, they have been stuck to long in the armegeddon. The plain fact is that after loosing a ship, the armegeddon pilot has to pay maybe 9m to get his ship operating again. This is after insurance payback. While the abaddon pilot has to pay somewhere near 50m to get his stuff back. You active tank the abaddon. Unless your going for full gank and don't care.
Because active tanked abaddons NEVER DIE.
Everyone sacrifices something. The Abaddon has tons and tons of CPU & PG and if it were better with cap, it would have absolutely everything. The damage and tank capabilities are phonomenal - but in exchange it is reliant on cap boosters (as are lots of other ships).
It's called compromise, and every half way competent player is familar with it.
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 21:13:00 -
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Dear OP,
this game is about IMBALANCE.
So adapt kthxstfudiebye
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Antodias, I think you just said I wasn't competent. BTW, I take names.
Awesome.
Originally by: Perfect Diamond The fact is, I would like to see the abaddon loose a cap mod but I'll live either way. In fact, I'll probably just get a paladin for my carebear activities and stay with the abaddon with my pvp. Though I'm thinking of revisiting the armageddon.
So we agree the Abaddon is brilliant for pvp. Therefore, no change needed.
(Gankadon with a tanking alt is excellent for pve btw)
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