Originally by: Sephra Star

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I just watched that video you posted. Everything in it is true with the one possible exception that they actually worship the idol. However, the members of the Bohemian Grove have countered to explain away their fixation with that idol as it being part of their yearly party retreat.

They really do hold what they say are "MOCK" worship services with "MOCK" human sacrifices.

Can you blame Alex Jones for calling a duck that walks, talks, and looks like a duck; A DUCK?

Add to Bohemian Grove the BOY's Town Child Sex Scandal that was exposed and then covered up with no investigation, or prosicution of the Washington Politicians that were paying for their pedaphilic perversity (and likely still are). It went all the way to the White House, but hey why should the Vatican have exclusive privilages to satisfy their lust; right?

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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ok i'll comment on that specific one. u know what they're doing? they're sacrificing a human in EFFIGY (meaning it's not a human it's a pretend human) in a casket, they call it the cremation of care (to remove their cares while they are there and just relax, atleast that's what most of them think they're doing). aside it being completely illegal for politicians and business men to socialize like that. There is also the thing that there's a big owl statue symbolizing molech. i'll let you look up molech yourself, but i'll get you started, molech was a deity that was worshipped through the sacrifice of small children. scripture mentions it too: "Thou shalt not give of thy seed to cause to pass through the fire for Moloch." Leviticus 18:10 -> meaning don't sacrifice children through the fire (burning them) to molech.

now the point is. first off it's illegal for them to meeet like that, it's closed off and guarded by security guards, secondly on the brochure, there's the bones of a small child. thirdly, most of them probably don't have any clue what they're doing with the whole occult ceremony (which is what it is).

ask yourself, what is the difference, from going to church and eating the "blood of the lamb" in effigy to worship jesus, to instead sacrificing a human in effigy and calling it "care", and sacrificing it to worshipping molech (in front of a huge molech statue)?

(eventhough eating the blood of the lamb is a misinterpretation of matthew because ur not supposed to eat the physical flesh, j said (according to scripture) that he gave his flesh to show us that we had immortal life and the church things they have to eat him to get immortal life (facepalm), and furthermore you're not supposed to worship jesus the man you're supposed to "worship" all that is as holy, for all is one according to scripture).

so i don't really see what it is you find laughable, and if you don't find it a bit odd that u got politicians and business men running around in cloaks and hoods performing rituals like that, maybe it's just because you don't understand it. anyways, just wanted to comment on that part.

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:04:20

Originally by: Fenderson

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im not sure i follow your argument here. you are saying that behemian grove is just like christianity and is therefore a conspiracy?

anyway, the problem here is (as you mention) the secret meeting of politicians and businessmen. the fact that they engage in some kind of arcane ceremony is pretty much irrelevant, and focusing on that just dumbs down the conversation about the real problems. that is my basic objection to Alex Jones.

Bohemian Grove is nothing more than another way that rich people and politicians get together and scratch eachother's backs.

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well the ceremony might be irellevant to you but read my post that i added to above you'll see what exactly the ceremony is about, then you'll see why it's mb not as casual as you think it is. no i'm not saying it's christianity, but i am saying it's worship of molech using the statue as an alter in the guise of it being "the cremation of care", and i'm saying look up molech/moloch.

and yes politicians and businessmen meeting like that is illegal, and them wearing cloaks and hoods is too, not to mention the membership of those secret "gatherings" are often elected into positions of power if they are not allready in power when they attend the meetings.

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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i'm not saying conspiracy, i'm just saying they're worshipping a deity that is known to have been worshipped by sacrificing real children, and that they're doing that in effigy which means they condone it, which is not something you should just trivialize.

and i'm saying you should be concerned about the "cream of the crop" of human society partaking in such things. since they're the ones who are "in charge" of our civilization currently, which says a lot about where they want us to be heading. and i'm asking you is that where you want to go?

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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well it's not theories or claims, when you something to back it up with. if anyone is dumbing it down it's them for performing such ceremonies. i'm just telling you what it is they're doing. don't blame me for their actions.

edit: oh you mean the serpent race that is mentioned in the bible and many other ancient texts, that talked to ancient humans gave them knowledge technology they weren't ready for so we screwed eachother up and had to have our lifespan reduced so that we would accumulate technology and wisdom more in tandem so we would actually be wise enough to use knowledge and technology for freedom and peace instead of cataclysmic destruction (symbolically called cut off from the tree of life (no more immortal physical lifespan, and partially cut off from the fullness of the tree of knowledge till we were ready for it)? unless you think snakes that crawl on the ground can talk offcourse.

nah david icke isn't all right lol, let me explain what you did.. you researched it, came to david icke, saw that he was somewhat off his rocker with some of the stuff and then proclaimed it all bs.. not exactly logic worthy of sherlock holmes bro, research egyptian culture instead, and backtrack from there. if you want to know about the present, then understand the past.

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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well it is myth and other cultures were indeed telling similar stories thousand upon thousands of years before, which is really the "nail" you should be "hammering on hard". and taking it from there. it's not all rubbish, but there's lies mixed with truth in it. if you start finding out where exactly the stuff in the bible comes from, you'll see it's not all rubbish yet some of it is, and that there's truth to it but not all of it, and you'll start seeing the bible for what it is, a put together doctrine trying to explain the ancient tales of the vast and buried(yet to be found)/distant past of humanity (that was immensely more advanced than us but had a cataclysmic event happen to them). which caused civilization to be "rebooted" and some ppl found some of these buried "messages from the past" and tried to sorta patch it together with the parts the understood of it, and make it into a somewhat coherent guideline for the future evolution of our civilization, since we were pretty much back to square one after the cataclysm thousands of years "bc", why do you think nobody even knew jesus existed, cause the tales of the avatar was from a different age, far far older than 2000 years ago. i just say jesus for simplification, you gotta talk to ppl in the language they understand till ppl are ready to take it to another level.

in that context you'll start to begin to put things together and not take everything literally, and looking between the lines.

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Originally by: Sephra Star

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Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 15:45:01
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Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real

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Originally by: Sephra Star

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Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 17:31:59

Originally by: Fenderson

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Originally by: Sephra Star

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Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 15:45:01
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Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real

so because Ron Paul said it, it must be true?

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He is certainly an indication of the trend of acceptence by what will be an ever increasing majority of the mainstream regarding the truth that any intelligent person with an open mind can easily verify if they would only approach the subject like an investigative journalist.

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the fact that your argument relies on a weak appeal to authority/appeal to the masses speaks for itself.


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Originally by: Orgos Khenn

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