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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.20 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 20/03/2008 09:26:12
 Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Edited by: Daziel Iaar on 20/03/2008 01:07:43
In the Empire we provide our slaves with food and water, a place to sleep, a chance to serve god in a way that is useful. Many slaves are happy and healthy, of course that is entirely dependant on the slave keeper and the slave in question but we have laws to regulate the treatment of slaves.
Where as your federation infact, through the very "freedom" they give the individual, could allow them to go without food and water, or housing thats worthy to live in because of addiction and debts. They may even end up dead or murdered because of the very freedom you offer.
What is better? To live a healthy, worthy and meaningful life in the service of god or a life that results in you living on the streets, feeding on scraps and "living" in sin?
In the Empire you also "provide" the poor slaves a substance called Vitoc.
Do you care to say to the public what this substance does? Rumor has it, that it breaks the will of the subject making it a mindless creature, able only to follow orders and not think much else.
Are you coming here shamelessly proclaiming that by stealing the very core of the Human nature, logic and will, you provide a better future than a junkies one?
Are you so blinded by your education system, that believe that only your drugs are approved by God, while the rest are illegal?
Are you trying to say that forcing a person to be a slave by making him/her almost a mindless zombie (and that by force and not his own will), is better than the future he/she could have chosen for himself, no matter how self destructing it might be?
Amarrian go tell your lies to your people, at least they are educated to accept what you say without questioning.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 20/03/2008 09:26:12
Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Edited by: Daziel Iaar on 20/03/2008 01:07:43
In the Empire we provide our slaves with food and water, a place to sleep, a chance to serve god in a way that is useful. Many slaves are happy and healthy, of course that is entirely dependant on the slave keeper and the slave in question but we have laws to regulate the treatment of slaves.
Where as your federation infact, through the very "freedom" they give the individual, could allow them to go without food and water, or housing thats worthy to live in because of addiction and debts. They may even end up dead or murdered because of the very freedom you offer.
What is better? To live a healthy, worthy and meaningful life in the service of god or a life that results in you living on the streets, feeding on scraps and "living" in sin?
In the Empire you also "provide" the poor slaves a substance called Vitoc.
Do you care to say to the public what this substance does? Rumor has it, that it breaks the will of the subject making it a mindless creature, able only to follow orders and not think much else.
Are you coming here shamelessly proclaiming that by stealing the very core of the Human nature, logic and will, you provide a better future than a junkies one?
Are you so blinded by your education system, that believe that only your drugs are approved by God, while the rest are illegal?
Are you trying to say that forcing a person to be a slave by making him/her almost a mindless zombie (and that by force and not his own will), is better than the future he/she could have chosen for himself, no matter how self destructing it might be?
Amarrian go tell your lies to your people, at least they are educated to accept what you say without questioning.
Wow, you make Vitoc sound like some type of magic slave potion. All it is is a drug that provides a reward for loyalty and a punishment for rebellion. It doesnÆt affect the recipientsÆ cognitive abilities. There are no ôzombieö slaves outside of SanshaÆs Nation. Also it is a pretty rarely used drug restricted primarily to extremely violent slaves and starship crew slaves.
As far as our drugs vs. your drugsà itÆs my understanding that drugs like crash and mindflood are illegal in all the empires. And Vitoc is unlike other illegal drugs in that it is not recreational. IÆve never heard of anyone taking Vitoc for fun, have you? Because of this you donÆt have the negative societal effect as you do with crash or whatever. You ever hear in the news of a young man robbing an old lady to get his Vitoc fix?
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Trent Valtine
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Wow, you make Vitoc sound like some type of magic slave potion. All it is is a drug that provides a reward for loyalty and a punishment for rebellion. It doesnÆt affect the recipientsÆ cognitive abilities. There are no ôzombieö slaves outside of SanshaÆs Nation. Also it is a pretty rarely used drug restricted primarily to extremely violent slaves and starship crew slaves.
A drug that rewards loyalty with...what? Living another day? How kind and merciful.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
As far as our drugs vs. your drugsà itÆs my understanding that drugs like crash and mindflood are illegal in all the empires. And Vitoc is unlike other illegal drugs in that it is not recreational. IÆve never heard of anyone taking Vitoc for fun, have you?
There's definitely a reason no one is taking Vitoc for fun. There's nothing about Vitoc that says "good time" for anyone. There is no benefit to it. Even a strung-out junkie can do a quick analysis of pros and cons.
And what is this "my drugs vs. your drugs" stuff? I don't touch boosters. The vast majority of the Federation doesn't go near them. They are not "our drugs". Contrary to what you people seem bent on believing, the Federation is not filled to the brim with drug addicts. They exist in our society, as I'm sure they exist in your society, but they do not represent more than a small amount of our citizens.
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Xavier Fate
Oblivion Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.03.20 18:13:00 -
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Vitoc is a disgusting substance created solely to produce people physically dependant on their supply of Vitoc. I do not understand how anyone can reasonable defend it's use.
"Extremely violent slaves" - I'm pretty sure I'd be an extremely violent slave myself.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2008.03.20 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 20/03/2008 23:30:43
Quote:
Vitoc is a disgusting substance created solely to produce people physically dependant on their supply of Vitoc. I do not understand how anyone can reasonable defend it's use.
All this negative talk about Vitoc. While I don't personally use Vitoc on most of my slaves I do endorse it's use in difficult cases. Vitoc is a great benefit to the Minmatar heathens. Let me tell you why.
When a heathen is resistant to the gift of Enlightenment and focuses on disruptive activities like social discourse or even escape it is clear extra training aids are needed. Just as a student in school would be tutored to do better the Minmatar are tutored to become more obedient and thus benefit themselves.
When a Minmatar is given Vitoc it removes all thoughts of disruptive ideas from his head. He can focus on the duty at hand which is the duty to be subserviant and learn the word of God. With Vitoc they are truly "free" to take in all the fine educational and spiritual offerings the Amarr give them without those annoying distractive thoughts of escape.
Yes Vitoc is a great benefit. While I don't normally use it as my slaves all seem happy and content I know many other slavers do. It is a useful treatment for the Minmatar suffering from disruptive thoughts.
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Trent Valtine
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Posted - 2008.03.21 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
When a heathen is resistant to the gift of Enlightenment and focuses on disruptive activities like social discourse or even escape it is clear extra training aids are needed. Just as a student in school would be tutored to do better the Minmatar are tutored to become more obedient and thus benefit themselves.
Ah yes, how dare they question anything? How dare they think? They should just mindlessly accept your teachings, right? And with Vitoc, it's either submit or die a terrible, painful death. And you, the director of an organization supposedly dedicated to the prevention of cruelty to slaves in your empire, endorse this method. Would you have us believe that vitoc is not cruel?
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Rainrix Deathwish
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.21 07:59:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Archbishop
Yes Vitoc is a great benefit. While I don't normally use it as my slaves all seem happy and content I know many other slavers do.
You keep telling yourself that you're the good guy, Maybe it is a "good" deed that you don't use it on all your slaves, You obviously still use it on the "disruptive" ones though...
I'm sure the threat and fear of being dosed up by Vitoc is enough to make them work for you, Not out of loyalty and happiness.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/03/2008 10:06:03
You people criticising Archbishop for his slave-handling techniques are forgetting one thing: he himself comes from slave stock.
The fact that millions of Ni-Kunni such as Archbishop are able to perform useful roles in Amarrian society proves that our methods work.
The sooner insurgent groups such as the Electus Matari, Ushra'Khan and now Strix realise this and start upon the path to enlightenment themselves the better.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Gervais Zhang
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:37:00 -
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It's interesting to me how much the Amarrians focus on the implications of Port Sanctuary... and totally attempt to sidestep the frequent covert incursions into Federation space by Amarrian military forces. I've fought these scum myself, as have most of my corpmates.
If organisations such as PIE and VV did not want to bear the consequences of defending a monolith of oppression and evil, they should not have associated themselves with the Empire in the first place. Their choice not to deny Major Bigeard's charges simply underscores their acknowledgement that the Empire breaks international law on a daily basis in its actions versus the Gallente Federation.
Sorry for missing the past few days of banter, but I've been planetside assessing the results of the most recent illegal raid by Amarrian military forces in Federation territory.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:41:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Gervais Zhang
It's interesting to me how much the Amarrians focus on the implications of Port Sanctuary... and totally attempt to sidestep the frequent covert incursions into Federation space by Amarrian military forces. I've fought these scum myself, as have most of my corpmates.
If organisations such as PIE and VV did not want to bear the consequences of defending a monolith of oppression and evil, they should not have associated themselves with the Empire in the first place. Their choice not to deny Major Bigeard's charges simply underscores their acknowledgement that the Empire breaks international law on a daily basis in its actions versus the Gallente Federation.
Sorry for missing the past few days of banter, but I've been planetside assessing the results of the most recent illegal raid by Amarrian military forces in Federation territory.
It's Strix who brought up the issue of Port Sanctuary.
Secondly, as has already been stated PIE has traditionally preferred to look for terrorists in the Republic rather than the Federation. We of course reserve the right to change this now that that Federation supporters have decided to attack us.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Feyd Nilean
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:04:00 -
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I am Feyd Nilean, head of industry in Strix Armaments and defence.
I went into this war with a strong belief in Strix and it's actions. I know the captains of Strix and know their true and honorable hearts. I know beyond a doubt that Strix started this war with the best of intentions and a heart beating for love for the core values of the Federation.
But even good men can fail. And I believe that is exactly what Strix has done with this recent aggression toward the Amarr empire.
Who are we to judge what is right? Who are we to take action where the Federations diplomats have chosen the diplomatic approach?
As a result of new insight into the conflict and out of respect for the right of the people of the great Amarr Empire to live their life as they choose, I here by resign from my position in Strix Armaments and Defence. I have resigned all access to corporate assets and will be leaving the corporation when the mandatory 24 hour grace period is over. I apologize to the pilots of PIE and VV and to the people of Amarr.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:31:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Trent Valtine
A drug that rewards loyalty with...what? Living another day? How kind and merciful.
There is a pleasurable feeling upon receiving the temporary antidote. And IÆm always happy to be alive for another day. ArenÆt you?
Originally by: Trent Valtine
There's definitely a reason no one is taking Vitoc for fun. There's nothing about Vitoc that says "good time" for anyone. There is no benefit to it. Even a strung-out junkie can do a quick analysis of pros and cons.
If junkies were capable of seeing pros and cons with any amount of reason they wouldnÆt be junkies at all. But this statement was just an explanation of why Vitoc is legal and other drugs are not. Because, as I stated, nobody is going to start taking it for fun and then make pop songs about how much fun it is and get a bunch of mindless fans hooked too.
Originally by: Trent Valtine
And what is this "my drugs vs. your drugs" stuff? I don't touch boosters. The vast majority of the Federation doesn't go near them. They are not "our drugs". Contrary to what you people seem bent on believing, the Federation is not filled to the brim with drug addicts. They exist in our society, as I'm sure they exist in your society, but they do not represent more than a small amount of our citizens.
Sometimes I find myself in the position of being misunderstood. In some of these cases I may ask the other person if they really read my post or just had some idiotic Pavlovian response to some word or phrase. This is the first time IÆve had to ask; did you read your own post?
Originally by: Trent Valtine
Are you so blinded by your education system, that believe that only your drugs are approved by God, while the rest are illegal?
This statement is a clear criticism of Amarr policy not only to have Vitoc legal but to have others illegal. While I understand the criticism of Vitoc, the other part made me a bit curious. I couldnÆt quite understand why you seemed angry about boosters and other such narcotics being illegal in the Empire while they are just as illegal everywhere else in lawful space. And I never said anything about Federation citizens all being junkies. ItÆs a ridiculous notion. The Federation would crumble overnight if that was true. ItÆs almost as ridiculous as saying that all Amarrians are slave owners. Although there is no question that the number of junkies in the Federation vastly outnumbers the slave owners in the Empire. And the Empire does not have a drug problem. Drug problems are a side effect of freedom. ItÆs one of the reasons we donÆt care to much for freedom.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Feyd Nilean
I am Feyd Nilean, head of industry in Strix Armaments and defence.
I went into this war with a strong belief in Strix and it's actions. I know the captains of Strix and know their true and honorable hearts. I know beyond a doubt that Strix started this war with the best of intentions and a heart beating for love for the core values of the Federation.
But even good men can fail. And I believe that is exactly what Strix has done with this recent aggression toward the Amarr empire.
Who are we to judge what is right? Who are we to take action where the Federations diplomats have chosen the diplomatic approach?
As a result of new insight into the conflict and out of respect for the right of the people of the great Amarr Empire to live their life as they choose, I here by resign from my position in Strix Armaments and Defence. I have resigned all access to corporate assets and will be leaving the corporation when the mandatory 24 hour grace period is over. I apologize to the pilots of PIE and VV and to the people of Amarr.
You sir, are a beacon of integrity in an otherwise dark and underhanded cluster. IÆm sure this must have been difficult. Fly strong sir. o7 |
Usagi Tsukino
Fukumaden
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Posted - 2008.03.21 17:18:00 -
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I guess there is little hope in both sides destroying each other... Warmongering Federation paramilitaries using what is probably once again false and forged documents, verses the Slavers.
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Becq Starforged
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:56:00 -
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Leave it to an Amarrian to redefine a lifestyle guided by free will as a form of slavery, and a lifestyle stripped of the ability to choose even the most basic and fundamental aspects of one's destiny a form of freedom.
Just as a reminder to Strix -- since it's sometimes easy to led astray from reality when trying to argue with slavers over things felt to be common sense by most rational beings -- you are fighting for a good cause, and if you need support on your front of this war, feel free to contact me.
Fly free, brothers!
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proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.22 10:55:00 -
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I'm a bit late, but, welcome to the fight.
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
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Thiroc
Solvo Lancea Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.23 21:44:00 -
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Trying to argue the point of how vile vitoc or any other slave containment use is pointless your better off arugeing with tungsten plate and a sledge hammer. There is only one way to convince slavers otherwise, use it on them. Simple, brutal perhaps but may shine some light on this subject for the slavers. But myself as well as my pilots will stay away from such conflicts. Death for death does not bring peace, it just fills more body bags and makes the cloning facilities a huge amount of profit.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.23 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thiroc
Trying to argue the point of how vile vitoc or any other slave containment use is pointless your better off arugeing with tungsten plate and a sledge hammer. There is only one way to convince slavers otherwise, use it on them. Simple, brutal perhaps but may shine some light on this subject for the slavers. But myself as well as my pilots will stay away from such conflicts. Death for death does not bring peace, it just fills more body bags and makes the cloning facilities a huge amount of profit.
I disagree. Rational and respectful discussion is never a waste of time.
The problem is that most of the anti-Amarrian rhetoric is neither.
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if your words drip with disdain and venom?
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if your arguments are based on prejudice and filled with cultural bias?
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if you never even try to see the world through his eyes?
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 00:27:00 -
[109]
Good luck Strix
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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Tahj
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Posted - 2008.03.25 08:23:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Thiroc
Trying to argue the point of how vile vitoc or any other slave containment use is pointless your better off arugeing with tungsten plate and a sledge hammer. There is only one way to convince slavers otherwise, use it on them. Simple, brutal perhaps but may shine some light on this subject for the slavers. But myself as well as my pilots will stay away from such conflicts. Death for death does not bring peace, it just fills more body bags and makes the cloning facilities a huge amount of profit.
I disagree. Rational and respectful discussion is never a waste of time.
The problem is that most of the anti-Amarrian rhetoric is neither.
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if your words drip with disdain and venom?
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if your arguments are based on prejudice and filled with cultural bias?
How can you expect to change a manÆs mind if you never even try to see the world through his eyes?
If you want to change our minds about slavery make a verbal case for it.
Im sorry Mr. Reeth but the same argument could be made about most of the Amarr slavers as well. I have tried having a reasonable talk with individual Amarr slavers but they have spewed BS for so long they actually believe it. Its hard to understand when its blatently obvious why en slaving a race is wrong and how some people can still justify it. The time for words was over along time ago, it was over when the first slave stood against his opressors and it is still over today. Words have not worked but as the republic shows, guns do.
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Odessima
Phoenix Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Odessima on 25/03/2008 14:38:07
Good Luck to Old Friends
My comments are my own and arent neccesarily anything to do with my corp.
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Andreus Ixiris
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:03:00 -
[112]
The absolute best of luck to you, Strix. I feel proud knowing that you will show them that the terrorist actions of those loyal to the great Amarr Empire crime syndicate will not be tolerated in the Federation.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.25 16:03:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Tahj
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Thiroc
Im sorry Mr. Reeth but the same argument could be made about most of the Amarr slavers as well. I have tried having a reasonable talk with individual Amarr slavers but they have spewed BS for so long they actually believe it. Its hard to understand when its blatently obvious why en slaving a race is wrong and how some people can still justify it. The time for words was over along time ago, it was over when the first slave stood against his opressors and it is still over today. Words have not worked but as the republic shows, guns do.
I find your choice of the word ôobviousö here quite telling. Slavery isnÆt obviously wrong. ItÆs obvious to you because that is the morality you have been taught.
But why do you think itÆs wrong? Have you ever really stopped and thought about it? Have you carefully weighed the pros and cons of a slave system? Or is your response simply a knee-jerked ôFreedom good! Slavery bad!ö
IÆm note making fun of you or trying to provoke you. What do you really think? And I mean think. I could care less how you or anyone else ôfeelsö on any subject.
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Tahj
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:09:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Edited by: Mr Reeth on 25/03/2008 20:14:18
Originally by: Tahj
Im sorry Mr. Reeth but the same argument could be made about most of the Amarr slavers as well. I have tried having a reasonable talk with individual Amarr slavers but they have spewed BS for so long they actually believe it. Its hard to understand when its blatently obvious why en slaving a race is wrong and how some people can still justify it. The time for words was over along time ago, it was over when the first slave stood against his opressors and it is still over today. Words have not worked but as the republic shows, guns do.
I find your choice of the word ôobviousö here quite telling. Slavery isnÆt obviously wrong. ItÆs obvious to you because that is the morality you have been taught.
But why do you think itÆs wrong? Have you ever really stopped and thought about it? Have you carefully weighed the pros and cons of a slave system? Or is your response simply a knee-jerked ôFreedom good! Slavery bad!ö
IÆm note making fun of you or trying to provoke you. What do you really think? And I mean think. I could care less how you or anyone else ôfeelsö on any subject.
and this is why talking will get us no where. You want me to explain why slavery is bad which makes little to no sense but in your mind its justified. If you really think its a Knee-jerk reaction i have nothing else i can say to you and no way to convince you. Its funny just how much you contradict yourself the post i originally quoted talks about how we need to talk diplomaticly to solve our problems then the very next post you say you could care less how anyone feels on the subject. Typical Amarr BS
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Gervais Zhang
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:17:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Mr Reeth
I find your choice of the word ôobviousö here quite telling. Slavery isnÆt obviously wrong. ItÆs obvious to you because that is the morality you have been taught.
But why do you think itÆs wrong? Have you ever really stopped and thought about it? Have you carefully weighed the pros and cons of a slave system? Or is your response simply a knee-jerked ôFreedom good! Slavery bad!ö
IÆm note making fun of you or trying to provoke you. What do you really think? And I mean think. I could care less how you or anyone else ôfeelsö on any subject.
I think Tahj puts it best: for the people of the Republic and Federation, individual liberty within the scope of rule of law is an absolute good, one that we and are crews are resolved to defend.
That said, as much as I'm happy to fight slavers in the hopes of freeing slaves, Strix initiated hostilities that we might prevent the enslavement of others. Every day, our captains see the destruction inflicted on outposts deep within Federation territory by Amarrian Navy-supported slaver raids. War over these outrages is inevitable. We are not simply not inclined to wait for an official declaration before we begin dealing with those organisations in the Empire that are most likely to work alongside the Amarrian Navy.
When the Amarrian Navy stops raiding the territory of the Federation and our allies in the Republic, we will cease this war.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:47:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Gervais Zhang
When the Amarrian Navy stops raiding the territory of the Federation and our allies in the Republic, we will cease this war.
Perhaps you should also consider the actions of Federation Navy vessels in Amarrian space.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:06:00 -
[117]
You are asking the blind to see, my Admiral.
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Odessima
Phoenix Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.30 12:58:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
You are asking the blind to see, my Admiral.
Thats the Pot calling the Kettle Black! 
My comments are my own and arent neccesarily anything to do with my corp.
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Mr Reeth
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.30 14:22:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Tahj
and this is why talking will get us no where. You want me to explain why slavery is bad which makes little to no sense but in your mind its justified. If you really think its a Knee-jerk reaction i have nothing else i can say to you and no way to convince you.
You talk without saying anything. That is exactly what knee jerk speech is.
Yes, I want you to be able to intelligently defend your position on a subject, especially if you wish to be vocal about it. If slavery or anything else is bad you should have no trouble stating your case.
Now you have nothing else to say to me and no way to convince me? ThatÆs pretty funny. YOU HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING! ThatÆs the point IÆve been trying to make. All you are saying is ôslavery badö ôslavers badö ôI bash slavers.ö
And naturally like any man incapable of rational thought you have made rather large assumptions about me. Take another look at my posts. Read as slowly as you need. Where exactly do you see me supporting slavery? I donÆt support slavery. My post was about the value of rational, intelligent, empathetic discussion.
Originally by: Tahj
Its funny just how much you contradict yourself the post i originally quoted talks about how we need to talk diplomaticly to solve our problems then the very next post you say you could care less how anyone feels on the subject. Typical Amarr BS
I did not contradict myself. You are just a poor reader. That or you canÆt tell the difference between thinking and feeling. And yes, I donÆt care what any person feels about anything. I care what people think. Feelings are irrelevant to intelligent discourse. If you want to talk about your feelings see a shrink or your momma.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2008.03.30 14:42:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Gervais Zhang
àfor the people of the Republic and Federation, individual liberty within the scope of rule of law is an absolute good, one that we and are crews are resolved to defend.
Really? Then why is it you seek to end the Port Sanctuary project? ArenÆt Gallente citizens free to choose their own religion? ArenÆt Gallente citizens free to choose to leave the Federation? Trying to end this project is an affront to the freedom of these people. And while freedom doesnÆt mean much to me I thought it meant a lot to you and other Federation loyalists.
Originally by: Gervais Zhang
When the Amarrian Navy stops raiding the territory of the Federation and our allies in the Republic, we will cease this war.
Well I guess you have a point there. No Federation Navy or Republic Navy vessel has ever invaded Amarrian or Caldari space. Nope, not a single one. ItÆs never ever ever happened. You guys are the clear moral champions in this respect. 
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