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pandymen The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 08:38:00 - [1] Out of curiousity...has anyone actually tried to fit the new omen with 5 turret slots? I have AWU 3, and I still have to use multiple fitting mods to fit 5 lasers. I am only using Heavy Pulse Lazers....because there is no way in hell beams are going to fit. And with 2 reactor control units, I still need a power diagnostic unit on top of that in order to have enough pg. It's a bit ridiculous. It's nice and all that CCP gave amarr a boost with the extra high slot...but there is no way in heck that you can actually fit this ship decently to take advantage of it.
Annowyn Clan'Destine	Posted - 2008.03.16 08:51:00 - [2] Originally by: pandymen Out of curiousity...has anyone actually tried to fit the new omen with 5 turret slots? I have AWU 3, and I still have to use multiple fitting mods to fit 5 lasers. I am only using Heavy Pulse Lazers....because there is no way in hell beams are going to fit. And with 2 reactor control units, I still need a power diagnostic unit on top of that in order to have enough pg. It's a bit ridiculous. It's nice and all that CCP gave amarr a boost with the extra high slot...but there is no way in heck that you can actually fit this ship decently to take advantage of it. Try fitting smaller lasers.
Karyuudo Tydraad Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.16 08:54:00 - [3] Use FMP.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.16 09:02:00 - [4] Yes, fmps are the way to go. That said you won't get a decent fitting with fmps either. At least not if decent means competitive with comparable ships (i.e. vex, rax, rupture) in pvp. Thats what you get for having your damage cruiser being only tier1. Nothing you can do about it really. Use an arbitrator if you are looking for a little pvp fun in an amarr t1 cruiser. If you are doing pve i don't really know what you need to look for. But quad light beams have lower fitting requirements than fmps so that might be an option?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.16 09:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 16/03/2008 09:16:25 The real problem here is that FMPs just suck. With blasters, Ions are 6% worse dps than Neutrons. Electrons are 12.5% worse than Neutrons. With Autos, 220mms are 5% worse dps than 425mms and dual180s are 11% worse. So far so good. Now FMPs are 14% worse than Heavy beams. That is worse than the other tier3 guns, for what should be the laser tier2 gun. In fact it seems like the tier2 gun is missing, FMPs are the tier3s, and crap at that. So we need either a real tier2 gun for medium pulse lasers, or a boost for FMPs. Or in fact both (though then only a small boost). There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Wideen Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.03.16 09:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 16/03/2008 09:16:25 The real problem here is that FMPs just suck. With blasters, Ions are 6% worse dps than Neutrons. Electrons are 12.5% worse than Neutrons. With Autos, 220mms are 5% worse dps than 425mms and dual180s are 11% worse. So far so good. Now FMPs are 14% worse than Heavy beams. That is worse than the other tier3 guns, for what should be the laser tier2 gun. In fact it seems like the tier2 gun is missing, FMPs are the tier3s, and crap at that. So we need either a real tier2 gun for medium pulse lasers, or a boost for FMPs. Or in fact both (though then only a small boost). Real talk! I'm not saying they should do it, but it's an interesting piece of fact though Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
Ambtuehr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.16 23:35:00 - [7] Is it really considered 100% not-viable to use the new Omen as throw away dps w/ heavy beams/pulse? I mean, your never going to tank much damage. But to lowtech cheap gangs it really can add some dps as long as nobody breaths on it right? I've been looking at a fit like this to test out the new turret slot: 2xRCU2's 2xHS <empty slot, ~10cpu left atm> ------- Warp Disruptor 2xCap Recharger ------- 5xHvy Beam I think no matter what its just not a versatile enough ship to bother using as a primary ride. Instead I think stashing some kind of throw away big dps setup in your pos/home stations to provide throw away big dps it might be a bit more viable with the extra turret? I went with Hvy beams, because it gets more out of the RoF bonus with those versus pulse.
AstroPhobic STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:04:00 - [8] Just EFT-warrioring, but here's a quick gang setup... [Omen 2, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Does 292 DPS with maxed skills, 2.3k/s with MWD on, 18k EHP. 4.6k Armor with 75/59/52/49 resists. Cap is fine with MWD off, of course. Doesn't looks that bad to me. Astro
Jennae Unity of Honor Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:28:00 - [9] to all the people whining about not being able to fit HPL. I want a Thorax I can run a full set of Heavy neutrons on. and a rep. Thanks.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Jennae to all the people whining about not being able to fit HPL. I want a Thorax I can run a full set of Heavy neutrons on. and a rep. Thanks. I think the issue lies in that Ions compared to Neutrons are better than FMP compared to full on heavy pulse. ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Jennae to all the people whining about not being able to fit HPL. I want a Thorax I can run a full set of Heavy neutrons on. and a rep. Thanks. I'd like to have an Omen that can fit 5 x fmp, mwd and 1600mm RT with just one rcu like the thorax can do with electrons. I think thats pretty reasonable. Now you can argue its tier2 etc. And that would be correct but as long as you can't do it a proper fitted vex/rupture/rax are always gonna kill it with ease. Anyway ccp has decided against it so for me (as i have pretty much maxed ruppi skills) its just not more viable to use an omen as before.
Ash Vincetti Decorum Inc	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:12:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic Just EFT-warrioring, but here's a quick gang setup... [Omen 2, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Does 292 DPS with maxed skills, 2.3k/s with MWD on, 18k EHP. 4.6k Armor with 75/59/52/49 resists. Cap is fine with MWD off, of course. Doesn't looks that bad to me. Astro unles you got snakes on, ain't no way the omen is doing 2.3k/s. 1.5, maybe, with good skills. 800MM won't fit unless you downgrade to t1 best named, which are too expensive on such a glass cannon. ----- free bree!
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 16/03/2008 09:16:25 The real problem here is that FMPs just suck. With blasters, Ions are 6% worse dps than Neutrons. Electrons are 12.5% worse than Neutrons. With Autos, 220mms are 5% worse dps than 425mms and dual180s are 11% worse. So far so good. Now FMPs are 14% worse than Heavy beams. Not actually as bad as it looks mind you: Focused Medium Pulse - 120 PG Heavy Pulse 210 PG, 14% more DPS Heavy Electron Blaster - 100 PG Heavy Neutron Blaster - 203 PG, 12.5% more DPS Prob is, Gallente have a turret inbetween those two PG-wise, whereas Amarr don't. ...
Kuzya Morozov Organized Combat Consortium Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:16:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic Just EFT-warrioring, but here's a quick gang setup... [Omen 2, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Does 292 DPS with maxed skills, 2.3k/s with MWD on, 18k EHP. 4.6k Armor with 75/59/52/49 resists. Cap is fine with MWD off, of course. Doesn't looks that bad to me. Astro Nice Level 5 skills in everything, that set-up is anything but realistic.
Terianna Eri FMP Corp	Posted - 2008.03.17 05:07:00 - [15] Well, this fits with AWU III... [Omen 2, Cheap Solo PVP] Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x3 311.75/312.5 CPU (pretty tight) 860/912.5 PG About 300-340 dps, cap stable without AB or Rep with max skills, will run for about 7-10 minutes with good skills. Pity about the afterburner but you get to use scorch anyway, and 500-600 m/s is... adequate, i suppose. pretty good if you're trying to get out of range and nobody's paying attention to you but you're not going to win any speed races anytime soon. You can also nano it... [Omen 2, Nano] Overdrive Injector System II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x3 329 dps, 2267 m/s. If you have AWU V you can actually get rid of the PDU II for an overdrive or faction/basic heat sink (you'll be 0.25 cpu short for another TII heatsink) decent cargohold and cap stable with 400s. __________________________________
Ancy Denaries Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.03.17 07:43:00 - [16] I have my Omen setup as a cheap DPS dealing throwaway gangship. 5x Heavy Pulse (T1) 1x Scram (20km) 1x Cap Recharger (just to keep guns going for as long as possible) 1x Empty midslot (no CPU to fit anything else) 1x DCU 3x Heatsink 1x RCU 3x Hobgoblin 1 This is what I use when we go gang-roaming in low sec. I'm the slowest ass in the bunch, but with the range flexibility I can hit all targets within 20 km for varying damage. Once I get up close, it's 230 DPS of a wierd damage type. It dies fast when shot at, but hey, it's a throwaway ship. Thankfully, most people don't consider the Omen a threat, and such I usually get killed last. Big mistake :P Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
Sidephex The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:04:00 - [17] tried to set up one of those for a corpmate the other day... it was very very annoying to find a setup. i ended up with making it a speed cruiser. 5x FMB (or whatever the abbreviation is ^^) 1x MWD I 1x WD II 1x Medium Electrochemical with 400s (400 will permarun it) 2x OD II 1x EANM I (II wont fit) 1x DC II 1x HS II pretty tight on fitting. very annoying ship! ___________
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:14:00 - [18] Edited by: Riho on 17/03/2008 09:15:20 5x focused medium pulse t2 (amarr navy MF) AB t2, warp disruptor t2, sensorbooster t2 800mm plate, ANP t2, dcu t2, 2x hs t2 no rigs (who rigs a t1 cruiser anyways... unless you can find REALLY cheap resist rigs) 360+ dps edit: cost is around 20mil isk ( thats what im guessing... im not 100% sure).. for me its thorw away isk and 1hour for a mission bear to make :P ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Alak D'bor Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Alak D''bor on 17/03/2008 11:55:26 Yeah try to tell me you're not gonna have a fun with this fit: [Omen 2, Omen] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Remote Sensor Dampener II Tracking Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I [empty rig slot] Warrior II x3 268dps on my skills, 2979m/sec., 20k optimal, 10.7k hp. Does 2300m/sec in the unrigged version.
Idxx Squirrel Killers	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:28:00 - [20] 2 60m isk rigs on a 4 mil isk cruiser?
Alak D'bor Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Alak D''bor on 17/03/2008 12:33:38 Originally by: Idxx 2 60m isk rigs on a 4 mil isk cruiser? Look at it this way: It's 86mil less than a rigged zealot but it still packs a punch. Add to that the wtfcomedy factor, fold the fun back in and bake for 30 minutes until a fork comes out clean. Think outside the box.
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:41:00 - [22] Why cant amarr fit the highest tier on all their ships while gallente and minmatar can? This needs a fix.
Terianna Eri FMP Corp	Posted - 2008.03.17 21:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Why cant amarr fit the highest tier on all their ships while gallente and minmatar can? This needs a fix. lol Although it'd be nice to see the omen get more fitting so that it's possible to get just one workable fit with heavy pulse __________________________________
AstroPhobic STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.17 21:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Ash Vincetti unles you got snakes on, ain't no way the omen is doing 2.3k/s. 1.5, maybe, with good skills. 800MM won't fit unless you downgrade to t1 best named, which are too expensive on such a glass cannon. Keep forgetting that I had snakes on the all level 5 char. Otherwise, I don't see anything "unrealistic" about this ship. Are you telling me that people don't have cruiser 5, maxed gunnery skills, maxed drone skills (for hobgobs), awu 5 and maxed nav skills? I know a lot of people that have all of that easily... It's not like "not" having a level 5 really screws with the setup other than awu...
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 21:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Why cant amarr fit the highest tier on all their ships while gallente and minmatar can? This needs a fix. lol Although it'd be nice to see the omen get more fitting so that it's possible to get just one workable fit with heavy pulse Yeah right now its stupid to fit at all.
Idxx Squirrel Killers	Posted - 2008.03.17 23:46:00 - [26] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Ash Vincetti Are you telling me that people don't have cruiser 5, maxed gunnery skills, maxed drone skills (for hobgobs), awu 5 and maxed nav skills? I know a lot of people that have all of that easily... ya :\
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 23:54:00 - [27] TBH, I want moar fittings on both the Omen and Zealot :-) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.03.18 00:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, I want moar fittings on both the Omen and Zealot :-) -Liang Guns on an Omen? How? The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.03.18 00:46:00 - [29] Omen had rofl fittings when it had 4 turrets. Now its just plain roflcopter, tbh. any fittings with beams? forget it. FMP? what, you want a MWD? rep/plate? hah! sad TBH. Omen is such a sexy ship, but it doesnt have the cpu OR pg to make use of its slots. Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
Dristra Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.03.18 01:01:00 - [30] Problem is that you are supposed to compare it to the Celestis\Vexor and Bellicose\Stabber NOT Rupture and Torax So start whining about the Maller instead (propecy suxxor balzz too) Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.

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