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Forluhn Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:16:00 - [1] I'm sick and tired of reading thread after thread about how CCP is a terrible company... Lets put things into perspective here. #1 This is the MOST complex MMO out to date. #2 This game holds the record for most players on one MMO server at a time. #3 Expansions are FREE... FREE... #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. I could go on all day... Now having said these 5 things lets remember how small a company CCP actually is. Take the number of employes of CCP and compare it to say Blizzard... enough said.
Dramund Atonement Arms	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:21:00 - [2] I agree, but don't worry about CCP. Millions of hate threads are a known occupational hazard of hosting an MMORPG + Official Forums.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Forluhn #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. I could go on all day... Now having said these 5 things lets remember how small a company CCP actually is. Take the number of employes of CCP and compare it to say Blizzard... enough said. omfg please. I don't want to flame or get into any dicsussion now about Eve or CCP but please at least make a somewhat solid argument. Somewhere on the internet I can download a client that lets me access some online database with very priviledged information for upwards of $1000/month. Now tell me: Do I get the service for free? Being able to download the game for free is such a moot point. As if staring at a login screen all day does any good to anyone. Aside all discussions about good or bad, Eve costs money to "use". I see it every month on my credit card bill. It costs a monthly fee. Which you may apply to #3 also. Which is very much redundant with #5. Sorry, those moot arguments you made simply sound incredibly fanboyish just because they're so incredibly wrong. --
shuckstar Hauling hogs	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Forluhn #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. I could go on all day... Now having said these 5 things lets remember how small a company CCP actually is. Take the number of employes of CCP and compare it to say Blizzard... enough said. omfg please. I don't want to flame or get into any dicsussion now about Eve or CCP but please at least make a somewhat solid argument. Somewhere on the internet I can download a client that lets me access some online database with very priviledged information for upwards of $1000/month. Now tell me: Do I get the service for free? Being able to download the game for free is such a moot point. As if staring at a login screen all day does any good to anyone. Aside all discussions about good or bad, Eve costs money to "use". I see it every month on my credit card bill. It costs a monthly fee. Which you may apply to #3 also. Which is very much redundant with #5. Sorry, those moot arguments you made simply sound incredibly fanboyish just because they're so incredibly wrong. Couldnt of said it better myself Cheyenne
OzakiFragments School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:16:00 - [5] 1. EVE is pretty damn complex, but I'm not sure about the most complex out of every MMO. Plus EVE is different than any other MMO, you can't really compare complexity there.. 2. WOW holds the most subscribers to date. Who cares if you can hold 40k on one server, they got 6million on thousands. There are countless other games that have more subscribers and online players than what EVE has. Sure its a cookie cutter MMO, but still more people play it = more money, and in terms of a company thats all that matters to them. 3. Maplestory, expansions are free. L2, expansions are free. There are so many games that offer free expansions. I could keep going. 4. Many games can be downloaded for free. 5. If they didn't try to push the envelope everytime they wouldnt exist anymore considering people would just leave and play other games. It's true CCP doesnt have the same amount of employees as Blizzard, which is the problem; because recently, they seem pretty short staffed.
Cottage Pie Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:26:00 - [6] 1)perhaps ironically it's not hard to make something complex. 3)Expansions are free? well would you have payed for them is a better way of putting it. 2)the large server thing still? tell that to everyone who gets stuck in the login screen for a night when trying to play the endgame. Besides just think of how many alts/trial accounts are logged in... 4)As you can with, uhm, every other mmo I know of. They all charge a small fee to create the account/for the client though, including ccp. 5)how very abstract of you, thats what mmo games companies do, hell why do they charge a monthly fee? it's their obligation to continually improve and maintain the game. and i'm not sure what your last point is...could you eloooocidayte??
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:26:00 - [7] If people are so bitter that they feel the need to flame this thread then I wonder why they still continue to pay CCP for services rendered? I do not care what you feel is wrong about their practices, there is no such thing as a perfect company, I am sorry to burst your bubble of fantasy fairy dust. CCP is in this to make money, they will do what they think is acceptable to make money, if they make a few people annoyed in the process then that is acceptable (especially since those annoyed people seem to pay anyway and then vent their frustrations on the forums). Capitalistic Bitterness, so sweet and cuddly.
Dramund Atonement Arms	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:33:00 - [8] I love when people act like $15/mo or less is grounds to cover the salary of their very own IT specialist 24/7.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Forluhn I'm sick and tired of reading thread after thread about how CCP is a terrible company... You must be new to internets gaming forums. Even if Eve was 99% bug and lag free with near perfect balance the GD would still be filled with that 1% of flamers who don't really care about the issues but rather only want to use them as an excuse to be a leet forum warrior. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Cottage Pie Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Forluhn I'm sick and tired of reading thread after thread about how CCP is a terrible company... You must be new to internets gaming forums. Even if Eve was 99% bug and lag free with near perfect balance the GD would still be filled with that 1% of flamers who don't really care about the issues but rather only want to use them as an excuse to be a leet forum warrior. but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Cottage Pie but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one. See? They prove my point for me. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Dramund Atonement Arms	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Zeba See? They prove my point for me. I will second this.
Sir Dragon Einherjar Yggdrasils	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Sir Dragon on 16/03/2008 19:56:26 Edited by: Sir Dragon on 16/03/2008 19:50:54 Hey, if I would hire 500 people to work freely at bombarding eve with negative storys (and anything related)? There would have to be an profit in it for me, Since i wouldn¦t burn away x ammount of cash just for kicks, by hiering 500 people to do that sortof stuff. This just reeks of marketing tactics or stock effecting bull, since we all know, but don¦t want to know at the same time, that we believe the bull sh*, we are exposed to. Also, eve is sky rocketing in popularity, perhapps some corporate giants are issing their * infested aes. Peace
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:50:00 - [14] LMAO! Point: Zeba. Round two: FIGHT! ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Vagablonde Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Cottage Pie but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one. See? They prove my point for me. I think they (my lovely alt) were pointing out that you were using a totally hypothetical situation (eve being bug free) to base a point on, which is just plain bad reasoning and proves nothing. ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:04:00 - [16] FREE Node crashes every day.. ccp is so nice arent they having the highest amount of players on 1 server says nothingh if they lagg to death sofar ccp has failed to improve there servers, nodecrashes hapen more and more often with even smal engagement /me hoping ccp finally gets into the need for speed thingh and actualy improve the server or i geus i can better go play a game with smaller amount of people on 1 server but almost nolagg . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Vagablonde Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Cottage Pie but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one. See? They prove my point for me. I think they (my lovely alt) were pointing out that you were using a totally hypothetical situation (eve being bug free) to base a point on, which is just plain bad reasoning and proves nothing. No. I was simply stating that ,read closely here as its in the original post, even if Eve were 99% bug free it would make no diffrerence to the amount of negative posts that were created. As far as the CCP sucks statements in this thread and others those are aimed at the rough first few days of the patch day blues. We always get them and the forums always blow up with thread after thread of flames. Then about a week after the main patch we get some hotfixes and poof the majority of flame threads dissapear with only the normal mainstays keeping thier top spot on the GD. This is the time of the troll. He has lots of legit problems that he can feed upon to satisfy his need to bash and smash. He knows that the problems will get sorted in time but can't resist the temptation to rabble rabble rabble. So the op's wish to see a GD free of CCP bashing will never come to be as its against the nature of a gaming forum. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Sal Alo Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:15:00 - [18] Originally by: OzakiFragments 1. EVE is pretty damn complex, but I'm not sure about the most complex out of every MMO. Plus EVE is different than any other MMO, you can't really compare complexity there.. 2. WOW holds the most subscribers to date. Who cares if you can hold 40k on one server, they got over 10millions on thousands. There are countless other games that have more subscribers and online players than what EVE has. Sure its a cookie cutter MMO, but still more people play it = more money, and in terms of a company thats all that matters to them. 3. Maplestory, expansions are free. L2, expansions are free. There are so many games that offer free expansions. I could keep going. 4. Many games can be downloaded for free. 5. If they didn't try to push the envelope everytime they wouldnt exist anymore considering people would just leave and play other games. It's true CCP doesnt have the same amount of employees as Blizzard, which is the problem; because recently, they seem pretty short staffed. Fixed and /agree ___________________________________ ISK SELLERS: PROBLEM SOLVED, CCP +1
Hippy Dave University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Cottage Pie but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one. See? They prove my point for me. lol.... signed
Cottage Pie Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vagablonde Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Cottage Pie but it's not 99% bug and lag free by miles so what exactly is your point, oh you don't have one. See? They prove my point for me. I think they (my lovely alt) were pointing out that you were using a totally hypothetical situation (eve being bug free) to base a point on, which is just plain bad reasoning and proves nothing. No. I was simply stating that ,read closely here as its in the original post, even if Eve were 99% bug free it would make no diffrerence to the amount of negative posts that were created. As far as the CCP sucks statements in this thread and others those are aimed at the rough first few days of the patch day blues. We always get them and the forums always blow up with thread after thread of flames. Then about a week after the main patch we get some hotfixes and poof the majority of flame threads dissapear with only the normal mainstays keeping thier top spot on the GD. This is the time of the troll. He has lots of legit problems that he can feed upon to satisfy his need to bash and smash. He knows that the problems will get sorted in time but can't resist the temptation to rabble rabble rabble. So the op's wish to see a GD free of CCP bashing will never come to be as its against the nature of a gaming forum. again you are wrong, the problem of lag is getting worse of late, much of eve's gameplay has become utterly defined/destroyed by it - how long has this need for speed been going on? it's done nothing of any consequence, you can't honestly say it has. The cold hard fact is the problems are not getting sorted in time. Eve needs a new game experience that simply strips it of everything that does not add to the FUN and the ENJOYMENT people get from it. wham gg learning skills everybody gets +10, wham gg named modules (and an overhaul to ship fitting to boot), only t1 and t2 (keep faction etc)and a gigantic boost to player industry because everything will come from players, everyting, wham gg cosmos hardly anyone uses the crap hyper-expensive modules anyway. get the point? simplifyx3. oh and get rid of all the smuggler stargates, and make multi alliance warfare impossibly difficult to manage on a battlefield.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Cottage Pie a nearly complete collection of the same whines that have been consistantly shot down by both the playerbase and devs over the last year You should be starting threads not replying to them tbh. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Elizabeth Prower State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Forluhn I'm sick and tired of reading thread after thread about how CCP is a terrible company... Lets put things into perspective here. #1 This is the MOST complex MMO out to date. #2 This game holds the record for most players on one MMO server at a time. #3 Expansions are FREE... FREE... #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. I could go on all day... Now having said these 5 things lets remember how small a company CCP actually is. Take the number of employes of CCP and compare it to say Blizzard... enough said. Jesus christ, is this a CCP employee who is using his normal player account? The game holds the record for most people on one server isn't an accomplishment. Big deal, it means nothing when the servers are as unstable as they are. World of Warcrafts player population still out numbers Eve by as much 1 million players online at one time. The free expansions are nice, i'll give it that, but its not like they are adding that much content to the game. No where near on the same level that games like Everquest got with its expansion packs. World of Warcraft gets a lot of free content too. They just recently got a new 10 man raid instance, and are getting a new 25 man and 5 man instance to play with. Along with dozens of new items. All MMORPGs do this. The only thing you have on Eve is that it is the most complex mmorpg, but so what?
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.17 05:21:00 - [23] Well it depends on how you look at it. If we think of it as "CCP has an awesome concept, I believe in this vision and support them in trying to make it a reality" then yeah CCP is an excellent company. If we think of CCP and Eve as purely a SERVICE or UTILITY, then CCP fails big time. Alot of what is hyped up simply isn't there such as large scale fleet battles, and what does exist is bugged, almost every portion of the game right now is bugged. I can't think of 1 area of the game right now that is polished and running smoothly, not the PvP not the PvE not the market, not even simply travelling through space, the F10 map is often bugged, jumping sometimes gets you stuck, heck even skill box is often bugged. In short Eve is bugridden, nothing works %100, and getting into any kind of conflict is like playing Russian roulette. Will I load the grid? Will the node crash? Will my module turn on? Will I log back in to a wreck? That's not a service sir, that's called being a Beta tester. Fine, CCP is a small company, they've promised the world and can't deliver. If I thought of myself as a "customer" I would have left LOOOOONG ago. If Blizzard or some other large company took over Eve, and kept the concept the same while throwing in the technical expertise to actually get it done, I'd be friggin thrilled. So far CCP has been big on concept, but unable to implement their vision, as a result Eve is a buggy soggy laggy mess.
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.17 06:24:00 - [24] I've been hearing about Lag since 2003...come on, can you come up with something more original? The BOB(heart) CCP thing bothers me more that some intermittent lag. CCP is a great company. I was a guest of ccp, they paid for my trip to iceland, AIR&Hotel. Met all the employees at the fan fest, shook the CEO's hand. Paried with the CCP people, man does ccp really know how to party. They are a great bunch of people... We are lucky to have CCP, a responsive company. Yes, they respond to the player base, many times. I played SWG, SOE didnt givev a crap about its players. We are lucky to have eve.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Sosus Red they paid for my trip to iceland, AIR&Hotel. Originally by: Sosus Red We are lucky to have CCP Say no more --
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Sosus Red they paid for my trip to iceland, AIR&Hotel. Originally by: Sosus Red We are lucky to have CCP Say no more and what? I won a contest.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:59:00 - [27] Edited by: Malar on 18/03/2008 11:05:28 Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Forluhn #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. I could go on all day... Now having said these 5 things lets remember how small a company CCP actually is. Take the number of employes of CCP and compare it to say Blizzard... enough said. omfg please. I don't want to flame or get into any dicsussion now about Eve or CCP but please at least make a somewhat solid argument. Somewhere on the internet I can download a client that lets me access some online database with very priviledged information for upwards of $1000/month. Now tell me: Do I get the service for free? Being able to download the game for free is such a moot point. As if staring at a login screen all day does any good to anyone. Aside all discussions about good or bad, Eve costs money to "use". I see it every month on my credit card bill. It costs a monthly fee. Which you may apply to #3 also. Which is very much redundant with #5. Sorry, those moot arguments you made simply sound incredibly fanboyish just because they're so incredibly wrong. Actually, what you call fanboyish, i call annoyed. You know how frustrating it is to see people whining about changes that affect them negatively in endless threads? They all say that they have been screwed over in an unjust way. They all say that they know how the game SHOULD work. They all say that CCP are morons for not following the OBVIOUSLY right path. I just say: its CCP's game. You either take it, or leave it, but you surely will not change it. Not with your whining. There are ways to affect the development of the game, there is a place to make suggestions, but people just tend to believe, that if they whine loud enough, their 'wish' will go through sooner / with a higher chance. To clarify: the money you pay CCP, you pay it to USE the system they made. You never bought CCP, or any rights to tell them what to do. You only bought the rights to play their game. That and nothing more. So if you feel like pulling out the 'but i do pay your bills' ever again, think about how small and meaningless you really are compared to the 100s of thousands of people who also pay for the game and might not necessarily agree with what you say about CCP. OFC im just a fanboi, you might think that i'm the exception, not the rule. Then again, let me ask you this: what makes you think, that more people share your opinion, than mine? --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
jita pc232323 State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Forluhn #2 This game holds the record for most players on one MMO server at a time. Thats because other MMOs were designed around the abilities and limitations of their infrastructure. Huge fleet combat wasn't possible when EVE had 10K players online. So tbh its a mystery what hardware/software development CCP is waiting for to save them with 40K players online. The game needs fundamental changes to its most basic mechanics e.g. sharding, duel system, limiting the numbers involved in combat to match server performance etc.
Bohoba dragons nest imPure.	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Bohoba on 18/03/2008 11:34:27 we pay ccp 15 a month to be ginnipigs, beta testers, and bug hunters don't like it don't pay Nuff said now move along lol Oh and sometimes we get to play a pretty cool game :) Windows VistaÖ Ultimate x64-based PC Gigabyte X38-DQ6 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU Q6850 Memory 4,093.69 MB 2X Crossfire ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 3870 512MB
Gone'Postal Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Forluhn #1 This is the MOST complex MMO out to date. #2 This game holds the record for most players on one MMO server at a time. #3 Expansions are FREE... FREE... #4 The game itself can be downloaded for FREE. #5 They are always developing new content to help the game push the envelope. #1 So? Humans strive to make more and more complex things, take a look at the history of anything IT wise, as it grows, it grows in complexity as well. #2 And thats something to be happy about, it's a nice feather in CCP's cap.. Now if all of the people could play the game as well.. that would be a dream #3 So is open source software? So are other MMO's.. #4 Most things on the internet can be downloaded for free, either within the Law, or around it. #5 Erm.. They have to, as a company CCP have to always give more to get more. standard companys have to as well.... You don't see online stores still trying to sell 386's to do ? All your points are mute tbh.. Eve is sold as massive space fleet fighting spaceships... but as soon as you try to fleet fight you get lagged to hell and back.. so excuse me but thats rather a massive fail in there PR debt or they have there head up there own rear thinking there doing a good job, there not. Remove BM's = les lag = lies Need for speed = less lag = lies lies to me = less respect, and CCP get none from me, maybe if they backed up with they say with results. I'm glad CCP have made this game, i really am, and i'll carry on saying how good it is to others, but posts like this that put CCP in the lights of the gods make me laugh and see truely how blinded people are. V8I
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:14:00 - [31] Oh my god the fanboi stench in here When you come right down to it, Eve is an entertainment service. The boards are not representative of all the players, ppl post here only to GRIPE, its like a "complaint box." Arguing against criticism is useless, ALL mmo forums are full of gripes. CCP job is to try to find ways to alleviate the most common gripes, without messing up the game for everybody else.
Gregoriuses Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:41:00 - [32] CCP is doing great, keep with good work CCP!! And ofc don't forget us (players), be so cool like u are now :) EVE Online is some of best developed games on the world, if not best one. Gratz to u
trecwn AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:01:00 - [33] Edited by: trecwn on 18/03/2008 13:01:15 OK from my point of view. Blizzard having played wow they have bugs they havent fixed for years in game with their resources ect plus you pay for every expantion. Plus their server suffer lag ect same as eve. You think eve has issues with isk farmers well WOW has even bigger issues with them and there is nothing the player base can do about it on some servers (them being pvp and non pvp server). CCP doing a good job with thier resources and keeping the game free for expantions ect yes problems but doing ok. They are trying to give us good content and a service yes they have issues but they are trying to sort them. (ok i may look like a new char in eve but im a returning player after a 2 year break from eve). There are numerous free mmo`s out there which in the 2 years i was away from eve i played and if im honest they are worse than eve and blizzard for content and issues. The main issue they have resolved is the farming issue as you can buy your in game currency from the company that hosts the game so they make the money to keep thier games current ect. anyway rant mode off these are just my views from playing other games and other companys.
Rekatan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:19:00 - [34] I honestly do think CCP is one of the better MMO companies out there, and Eve will likely hold my attention for longer than EQ UO SWG RO and WOW did combined, but please.... PLEASE people.. Understand the difference between server, and server CLUSTER. Eve has not managed to squeeze 40K+ players onto one server. They have managed to squeeze 40,000 players onto one huge server cluster. Now don't get me wrong this is an innovation in the MMO gaming world and the smooth and uninterrupted transitions from one server (system) to the next is incredible, but lets praise them for what they have done instead of something that is presently impossible shall we? 40K on one server is i m p o s s i b l e with current technology.
Everyone Dies Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Rekatan I honestly do think CCP is one of the better MMO companies out there, and Eve will likely hold my attention for longer than EQ UO SWG RO and WOW did combined, but please.... PLEASE people.. Understand the difference between server, and server CLUSTER. Eve has not managed to squeeze 40K+ players onto one server. They have managed to squeeze 40,000 players onto one huge server cluster. Now don't get me wrong this is an innovation in the MMO gaming world and the smooth and uninterrupted transitions from one server (system) to the next is incredible, but lets praise them for what they have done instead of something that is presently impossible shall we? 40K on one server is i m p o s s i b l e with current technology. This. CCP is the most advanced computer gaming company in the world.
Taktix State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Forluhn #1 This is the MOST complex MMO out to date. You're joking right? Have you played any other MMOs? EVE is one of the least complex. Not that I don't agree with the general idea of your post, because I do, but your supporting points are extremely flawed. This game probably has the highest amount of whine threads per capita, that's for sure.
Adonis 4174 White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:07:00 - [37] The whole free download thing is backwards. There are MMOs which allow you to download the client and MMOs which require you to buy a set of CDs then download all the multiple patches and you're like omgwtf? Free download is a bare minimum requirement for an MMO, MMOs that don't do this are made by monkeys. ---- Exploding underpants: The real weapon of last resort.
Robdon Spack Lords Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:12:00 - [38] Its not about how good CCP are, or how complex the game is or how many users there are or if its the biggest MMO around. These problems should be caught by proper QA procedures. I can play the game for 5 minutes and spot endless problems with the game after most patches. They MUST sort out their QA and release procedure, and communication with their users.
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Rekatan Understand the difference between server, and server CLUSTER. Optimizing is relatively easy, it is in parallelism where the really hairy stuff rears its head... Lucky for CCP, star-systems and market regions are kinda ideal unit for separating. What I can't really figure out is; why haven't they split in-station actions and space as two different threads on the same system. Shouldn't be that much interaction required between the two. --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Rekatan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Taktix Edited by: Taktix on 18/03/2008 14:08:12 Originally by: Forluhn #1 This is the MOST complex MMO out to date. You're joking right? Have you played any other MMOs? EVE is one of the least complex. Not that I don't agree with the general idea of your post, because I do, but your supporting points are extremely flawed. This game probably has the highest amount of whine threads per capita, that's for sure. Originally by: Rekatan Now don't get me wrong this is an innovation in the MMO gaming world and the smooth and uninterrupted transitions from one server (system) to the next is incredible You mean like WoW when you never zone except when going into instances/switching continents and can travel from one side of the world to the other without zoning? O wait no you zone every 2 minutes or so in Eve travel don't you? Give us all a break fanbois. We like the game but you guys gotta get a grip on reality. Roflwaffles, yet another uneducated troll. A. WOW has one server for the entire persistent world, as opposed to a server cluster. You're comparing apples to oranges and sounding like a WOW fanboi yerself. B. Eve is older than WOW, hence even if A weren't true you'd still be an uneducated troll.
Rekatan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Rekatan Understand the difference between server, and server CLUSTER. Optimizing is relatively easy, it is in parallelism where the really hairy stuff rears its head... Lucky for CCP, star-systems and market regions are kinda ideal unit for separating. What I can't really figure out is; why haven't they split in-station actions and space as two different threads on the same system. Shouldn't be that much interaction required between the two. Now yer talking on a level I don't fully understand ^_^ but I get the jist of what yer saying. If Eve weren't a space MMO we'd see an entirely different server structure, which may be why other companies like blizzard haven't pursued a few large persistent worlds like CCP has. It also is likely because it's relatively easy to make an open space zone with the occasional collision-sensitive object, while an MMO based on the ground needs plenty more textures/objects and so new zones are much more time consuming to produce, hence much more difficult to contain a large player base within one or two persistent worlds.

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