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Kon Traban Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:37:00 - [1] Befor i make my point i would like to overview the following information. INFO from the Eve-online Knowledgebase "Grief play What is grief play? A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated." Link a post made on the Battleclinic forums http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,17023.0.html Link to the Goon in Question http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Dibujante Note the 35 Hulk/Mack/Indy suicide kills in the past 2 days. *Posting GM responses is not allowed - GM Zhainius Ok now let me ReQuote CCP's policy on "Grief Play" "players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." The purpose of this post is not to flame the Goons or side with carebears or pvper's, the purpose of this post is to note that CCP has a hard on for the Goons and that they can get away with anything they want. Even when CCP's own policy is showed to them, they ignore it and side with the Goons. I have no doubt that this post will not last long, and will probably be deleted by a GM. I will not be doing anymore replies on this thread, and of course this is an alt. So be my guest and Flame me all you want. Hopefully the intelligent people in eve will get the point.
Karyuudo Tydraad Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:40:00 - [2] Suicide ganking != malicious interference with your game experience, ya git. Also, no posting petition responses.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:49:00 - [3] Ha ha, your main lost a Hulk. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Infinitynexus Astrodynamic Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:51:00 - [4] Another epic rage thread. Poast pls?
Dimagus School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:55:00 - [5] Greetings, carebear miner that just lost a ship! Welcome to the forums, this obviously must be your first time, otherwise you would have noticed the dozens of other whine threads that were already created in the last week or two. While your first post was disappointing we do hope your that gaming experience will progress and your knowledge will mature, so future discussions will become more constructive
dragon mouth Invictusgaming inc	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:01:00 - [6] I am no carebear but yes i agree with the suiciding of macro miners ect but some players are new and have worked hard and spent time getting into a barge ect. This does no good to attack these new players who are trying to enjoy eve and get isk ect to move out to 0.0 and maybe pvp ect. Yes greif play against new honest players is wrong but against macro miners who are ruining eve are fair play.
Ringo Jeicha State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:04:00 - [7] 2 things can happen now which are both nice: hulk prices either plummet or skyrocket
Paige Turner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:08:00 - [8] The goon tactics aren't necessarily griefing as per that description. That would be RAK tactics at Todaki's nOOb starting base. They will get together and park 5-10 ships outside and leave cans that say 'free stuff' or whatnot and spend the next 3 hours blasting nOOb Ibis's to pieces.
Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 17/03/2008 03:18:39 HOW DARE THEY STOP ME FROM MINING VELD NON STOP WITH NO ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT ONCE I FIT MY HULK
Kahega Amielden Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:21:00 - [10] Originally by: dragon mouth I am no carebear but yes i agree with the suiciding of macro miners ect but some players are new and have worked hard and spent time getting into a barge ect. This does no good to attack these new players who are trying to enjoy eve and get isk ect to move out to 0.0 and maybe pvp ect. Yes greif play against new honest players is wrong but against macro miners who are ruining eve are fair play. 1) If you're in a hulk, you're not a ******* new player 2) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. 3) You don't need a hulk to PVP or go to 0.0

dragon mouth Invictusgaming inc	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Originally by: dragon mouth I am no carebear but yes i agree with the suiciding of macro miners ect but some players are new and have worked hard and spent time getting into a barge ect. This does no good to attack these new players who are trying to enjoy eve and get isk ect to move out to 0.0 and maybe pvp ect. Yes greif play against new honest players is wrong but against macro miners who are ruining eve are fair play. 1) If you're in a hulk, you're not a ******* new player 2) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. 3) You don't need a hulk to PVP or go to 0.0 1 I never said i was in a hulk 2 i dont fly what i cant afford to lose 3 no but you need isk behind you to survive in 0.0. I am an ex player who left eve for over 2 years and has made new accounts ect as its good to relearn the game and not make the same mistakes i made on my first chars.
Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:29:00 - [12] Originally by: dragon mouth Originally by: Kahega Amielden Originally by: dragon mouth I am no carebear but yes i agree with the suiciding of macro miners ect but some players are new and have worked hard and spent time getting into a barge ect. This does no good to attack these new players who are trying to enjoy eve and get isk ect to move out to 0.0 and maybe pvp ect. Yes greif play against new honest players is wrong but against macro miners who are ruining eve are fair play. 1) If you're in a hulk, you're not a ******* new player 2) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. 3) You don't need a hulk to PVP or go to 0.0 3 no but you need isk behind you to survive in 0.0. not if you log out at the first sign of trouble!
dragon mouth Invictusgaming inc	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:32:00 - [13] I never have logged out when trouble arrives :) Yes i already live in 0.0 but then again i have exp of living in 0.0 from before :) I am more on about the new players who are just starting out on there eve lives :)
Hippy Dave University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:36:00 - [14] Yawn another epic whine thread about hulks and suicide ganking. Just to recap.. -most agree that insurance payouts for suiciding is a tad stupid, but hey its not going to change so DEAL WITH IT. FFS miners if it means that much to you, hire some guards or mine somewhere else you tight fisted sods. -Killing you when you weren't expecting it is NOT griefing, its like me going ratting in 0.0 in some pimped up faction BS and getting popped then complaining that someone 'griefed' me cause they interfered with my game experience. The definition clearly states that griefing would be someone who (for instance) went out of their way to ruin your characters life using cheats and exploits, or who preyed on new characters with no experience to prevent it. It is NOT someone who attacks a clearly experienced pilot. Therefor your post = FAIL
Kahega Amielden Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:37:00 - [15] Quote: 1 I never said i was in a hulk 2 i dont fly what i cant afford to lose 3 no but you need isk behind you to survive in 0.0. 1) Good, you don't need to worry about being popped by goons then 2) great, you can't be financially ruined by goons then 3) you can make more than you lose pretty easily in 0.0
Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:37:00 - [16] Originally by: dragon mouth I never have logged out when trouble arrives :) Yes i already live in 0.0 but then again i have exp of living in 0.0 from before :) I am more on about the new players who are just starting out on there eve lives :) Starting out their eve lives with 100+mill in their wallet to get that hulk to suck veld? Where do starters get 100mill?
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: dragon mouth I never have logged out when trouble arrives :) Yes i already live in 0.0 but then again i have exp of living in 0.0 from before :) I am more on about the new players who are just starting out on there eve lives :) Starting out their eve lives with 100+mill in their wallet to get that hulk to suck veld? Where do starters get 100mill? i still want to know how they start out able to fly a hulk they takes months to skill for.
Barick Khan BAMF Research and Design	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:44:00 - [18] http://youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Barick Khan http://youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU this isn't a rickroll you did it wrong.
Karyuudo Tydraad Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Barick Khan http://youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU Fail.

Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Aprudena Gist i still want to know how they start out able to fly a hulk they takes months to skill for. ⇧⇧⇩⇩⇦⇨⇦⇨BA at least thats what I'm told
Karyuudo Tydraad Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Barick Khan LOL Fixed it for you tho, because I'm cool like that.
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Celot on 17/03/2008 04:13:29 oh dang now I'm only #2 on the all time hulk killers edit: OP is obviously a member of failswarm
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Kon Traban At our discretion, Quote: lol pwnd by CCP yet again. Think of the Goons current shenanigans as a player ran event and all will fall in place. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Elizabeth Prower State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:25:00 - [25] How many times does it need to be said? There is absolutely no safe system in Eve-Online. Period. You can be killed anywhere and short of an exploit being used to do it, CCP will not intervene. Look at what Goonswarm is losing too. For every Hulk destroyed, they lose a battleship or some other ship that could be used in their ongoing war effort against BoB. Thats a lot of isk they are throwing away themselves. I don't think you can complain about an alliance that is willing to waste so much isk simply for a few laughs. The pubbies are making this jihadswarm campaign a huge success beyond goonswarms wildless dreams I am sure, because of all the crying.
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Elizabeth Prower How many times does it need to be said? There is absolutely no safe system in Eve-Online. Period. You can be killed anywhere and short of an exploit being used to do it, CCP will not intervene. Look at what Goonswarm is losing too. For every Hulk destroyed, they lose a battleship or some other ship that could be used in their ongoing war effort against BoB. Thats a lot of isk they are throwing away themselves. I don't think you can complain about an alliance that is willing to waste so much isk simply for a few laughs. The pubbies are making this jihadswarm campaign a huge success beyond goonswarms wildless dreams I am sure, because of all the crying. you're not dumb but I would like to point out that the average ship lost to kill a hulk costs less than 1/20 what its fleet-fit counterpart costs
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:35:00 - [27] Question you have to ask yourself: is suicide ganking a ton of exhumers and barges "maliciously interfering with the game experience for others" or "selflessly enriching and enhancing the game experience for others." But seriously though, the ball is in CCP's court now. Regardless of what they choose to do from now on, a large portion of the eve community will hate 'em for it. Tough cookies for them to swallow, and I feel sorry for them on that account. That said, if you need any help getting revenge on Goons, you can contact a number of mercenary corporations and high-sec brokers to make their high-sec lives tougher. Or just, y'know, avoid 'em. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.17 05:32:00 - [28] If CCP didn't allow grief-play to happen they would lose most of their subs.
Laechyd Eldgorn Karjala Inc. Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.03.17 05:52:00 - [29] Quote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated." Hello, mr. op. You have misunderstood meaning of griefing. Blowing up your ship by using game mechanics is not griefing. Can baiting (repeatedly) Ibis in starter dungeon is not same than baiting hulk (hulk is not a rookie ship). When they suicide gank ships they have no intention of ruining your gaming experience, well not necessarily at least. It's part of the game play. People get blown up and there is not supposed to be any place where you cannot be blown up.
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.17 06:15:00 - [30] The real world is full of pri_cks and as_sholes that hurt, kill, and destroy just because they can and it amuses them, why would the MMO world be any different? CCP whole heartedly APPROVES of ANY tactic that FORCES people into PvP situations. The game history CLEARLY shows this fact to anyone who cares to look and read. ESPECIALLY people who do not WANT to PvP. Get used to it, or get out of the game. It's really that simple. CCP runs the game how they see fit, and we pay them for it. Again, get used to it, or get out of the game. It's really that simple. Do I approve of the tactics/policies displayed by the Goons or CCP on these issues? Absolutely not. I find both to be: childish, cowardly, limited in scope and vision, and overall hurtful to the continued health of the community as a whole. But, TALKING about it in the forums does shyte. If you are going to DO something about it, great. Go DO IT. Hire mercs to deal with Goons, so they have something to shoot at besides YOU. Better yet, get strong enough to do something about the Goons yourself if they bother you so much. Cancel your account for a year to show CCP your displeasure. But, don't come here and talk about it. Because CCP doesn't care what you say in the forums, and pr_icks like the Goons feed off the negative attention. Thereby, you coming here and talking about it does NOTHING to/about CCP, and only encourages the Goons. My 2 isk. P.S. To anyone who cares: PvP is ALL I did for my first year and a half in the game. I rarely do it anymore as I have increasingly found it to be extremely boring. So yes, I have seen and lived both sides of the coin; i.e. life in low/no-sec and life as a carebear. * *



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