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Dyaven Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.18 05:27:00 - [1] Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Partial Weapon Navigation Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron PWNT PWN PWND PWNAGE ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
Terianna Eri FMP Corp	Posted - 2008.03.18 05:29:00 - [2] For a while I thought that people listing the "PWNAGE" painter in their midslots were just being silly when in fact they were fitting the meta level 4 (best named) TP. proof that CCP loves minmatar the most! they get PWNAGE modules __________________________________
ThaDollaGenerale Endless Destruction Total Eclipse Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.18 05:51:00 - [3] hello and welcome to last year
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Dyaven Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Partial Weapon Navigation Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron PWNT PWN PWND PWNAGE hello and welcome to 3 years ago :) ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Dyaven Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Dyaven Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Partial Weapon Navigation Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron PWNT PWN PWND PWNAGE hello and welcome to 3 years ago :) Thanks, it's nice to be here in 2005. :) ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
Nian Banks Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:08:00 - [6] It shows what sick humour the CCP devs have, they name one of the worst modules in the game with one of the coolest names in said game.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.18 07:44:00 - [7] Quote: 7.5% reduction in gang membersÆ signature radius per level Yep now you're gonna need painters to kill us ;)
Lt Angus the united Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:38:00 - [8] When they came out they were overpowered, so the names suited. but they are still a must have module for many things Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Alak D'bor Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:10:00 - [9] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale hello and welcome to last year Are you kidding? This goes back to 2005. Shin Ra were using meta painters against Xetic.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:24:00 - [10] 2005 was so overpowered, glad it was nerfed into 2006
Durzel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:00:00 - [11] What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2.
Wet Ferret Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. It certainly wouldn't be PWNAGE otherwise
Areo Hotah Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. So are phased muon damps, balmer tracking disruptors, and best named ECM's. Areo
Stoffl Free Mercenaries Union Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Stoffl on 18/03/2008 11:35:43 Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. Isn't that the case with most EWAR mods ? Identical effects but superior fitting + cap-usage. Edit: 2nd.
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Stoffl Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. Isn't that the case with most EWAR mods ? Identical effects but superior fitting + cap-usage. And with a lot of other modules. For example, armor plates and shield power relays.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:40:00 - [16] I started playing in late 2006 so I rather missed this. Thanks, it made my morning.... -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Defying Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:53:00 - [17] now i really should know better but can someone please tell me how the meta level of a module affects it, or at least point me to where its written.....i honestly have no idea what it means
Drek Grapper Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Terianna Eri For a while I thought that people listing the "PWNAGE" painter in their midslots were just being silly when in fact they were fitting the meta level 4 (best named) TP. proof that CCP loves minmatar the most! they get PWNAGE modules Lol i thought the same thing!!! --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Kusha'an Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Kusha''an on 18/03/2008 13:18:03 I have a serious question about this... Maybe this should be in the Domi setups thread, but wth... I run sentries for level 4 non-auto-aggro missions, and I use an omnidirectional tracking link. Assuming the targets are within its range, would a named TP be better in this situation? I use the sentries for BC and BS targets. Or would the TP get me aggro?
Durzel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Stoffl Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. Isn't that the case with most EWAR mods ? Identical effects but superior fitting + cap-usage. And with a lot of other modules. For example, armor plates and shield power relays. I'm still learning. :) My understand is that best named was usually only as good as T2 (in the absense of specialisation skills or whatever), but not better.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Durzel My understand is that best named was usually only as good as T2 (in the absense of specialisation skills or whatever), but not better. This is kind of true. For many modules, best named is "as good as" T2 with regards to its primary benefits, but it takes less fitting and generally less cap to run, so in that sense it is "better" than the T2. Looking at the PWNAGE painter for example, both it and the T2 painter give a 30% increase to the target's signature radius. However, the PWNAGE takes 1.6 cap/s vs the T2's 2.4, and also only requires 16tf CPU to fit instead of 24tf. So although the end result is the same (30% sig radius increase), there would be no reason to use a T2 module over the meta 4 module, if both were the same price - as overall the best named is "better". This is usually balanced by the T2 module being cheaper, so if you have plenty of CPU to spare, and 0.8 cap/s isn't going to break your bank, then you can save around 50% of the PWNAGE's price by fitting a T2. (Oh, and while the PWNAGE painter has a cool name, it doesn't get that nice orange "II" corner-stripe that the T2 does )
Lefty Lewis University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Defying now i really should know better but can someone please tell me how the meta level of a module affects it, or at least point me to where its written.....i honestly have no idea what it means An item's meta level is simply an indicator of how good it is; the higher the meta level, the better it is. 'Best Named' T1 items are meta level 4, basic T1 items are meta level 1. It's always been there, but it hasn't always been visible. It's easier to just look for meta level 4 than it is to remember which name is the 'best named' for each item type. If you do a 'show info' on the item in-game, it should display somewhere on the attributes page.
Kusha'an Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:17:00 - [23] Hey thanks for nothing, all...
Nomakai Delateriel Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.18 16:04:00 - [24] The Meta value is also used in invention, where you can use named items as prototypes to invent T2 items. The better the prototype the higher the chance of getting a T2 item. Of course adding a Meta 4 item is just not worth it). But since you can often find lower meta items quite cheaply, if you're going to invent a BPCs with plenty of runs adding a meta 1-3 item as the prototype might be worth it. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Leeluvv The Black Ops Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Areo Hotah Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. So are phased muon damps, balmer tracking disruptors, and best named ECM's. Areo Only if you don't look at all the attributes. Never did understand why people thought a shorter cycle time at the same rate cost was better. lee == Sig to follow
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Leeluvv Originally by: Areo Hotah Originally by: Durzel What is odd about "Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron" is that it's actually better than T2. So are phased muon damps, balmer tracking disruptors, and best named ECM's. Areo Only if you don't look at all the attributes. Never did understand why people thought a shorter cycle time at the same rate cost was better. lee ??? They have the same cycle time and use less cap than the tech 2 version.
Diomidis Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Leeluvv Only if you don't look at all the attributes. Never did understand why people thought a shorter cycle time at the same rate cost was better. lee ??? They have the same cycle time and use less cap than the tech 2 version. And have WAY easier fitting needs - that's the true reason named modules with comparable attributes with T2 modules are preferred: T2 might be cheaper, BUT DON'T FIT! Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!

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