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notaway
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.18 22:36:00 -
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I have no problem with the pricing or the GM's but I do have a problem with the game..My question--why would High Latency not be a problem from January 2007 thru around Aug or Sept and then create crash to desktops constantly thereafter? CCP blames High Latency for this but they cannot or will not explain why it not cause a problem until just prior to Trinity.
The system requirements indicate a 56k modem can be used and yet a satellite broadband connection supposedly is causing problems that didn't exist the first 8 months that I played... I blame my problems on something ccp must have done that began just b4 Trinity deployed and has continued thereafter...
My computer was sent out for upgrading and it will be state of the art again when I get it back FINALLY this week...if I still have problems I am going on a month trial with cable and if there is still an issue then Latency is a problem with the server and not the connection or the computer...(I am an expert at clearing the cache and using the Eve Log-server diagnostic tool which I sometimes have to use or can't even re-log after a crash)... I should also note that I don't fly in busy hub areas and most ppl have never heard of the systems where I fly missions...And I can crash just sitting in the station....
I liked the game better back in early 2007 when I had few problems... I don't care much about the graphics and rather have good performance and have always used the Classic interface.
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NightF0x
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.03.18 22:48:00 -
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 Originally by: notaway
I have no problem with the pricing or the GM's but I do have a problem with the game..My question--why would High Latency not be a problem from January 2007 thru around Aug or Sept and then create crash to desktops constantly thereafter? CCP blames High Latency for this but they cannot or will not explain why it not cause a problem until just prior to Trinity.
The system requirements indicate a 56k modem can be used and yet a satellite broadband connection supposedly is causing problems that didn't exist the first 8 months that I played... I blame my problems on something ccp must have done that began just b4 Trinity deployed and has continued thereafter...
My computer was sent out for upgrading and it will be state of the art again when I get it back FINALLY this week...if I still have problems I am going on a month trial with cable and if there is still an issue then Latency is a problem with the server and not the connection or the computer...(I am an expert at clearing the cache and using the Eve Log-server diagnostic tool which I sometimes have to use or can't even re-log after a crash)... I should also note that I don't fly in busy hub areas and most ppl have never heard of the systems where I fly missions...And I can crash just sitting in the station....
I liked the game better back in early 2007 when I had few problems... I don't care much about the graphics and rather have good performance and have always used the Classic interface.
You're just asking for problems if you are running on a satellite connection. Every satellite connection that I have had experience with has been nothing but laggy. Ever watch a football (or any sporting event) on TV while listening to the announcers live over the radio. I wouldn't even attempt to play any online games over a satellite connection. Browsing and general surfing would be fine but games don't work so well.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.18 23:02:00 -
[33]
Indeed. Satellite connections as far as latency goes are literally as bad as 56k or worse. They have a ****ton of bandwidth, but poor latency.
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notaway
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.18 23:08:00 -
[34]
Edited by: notaway on 18/03/2008 23:11:32
LOL Nightfox--that's what High Latency is all about per ccp but they couldn't explain why I had no problems until just before Trinity deployed...I sometimes had lag but I never had multiple crashes to desktop constantly until just before Trinity deployed...Matter of fact, I can be going along with no problems no noticeable lag and boom instant crash--also happens in station simply opening assets or entering chat post. And once again this is in solar system where nothing much happens...
neway--in April I will be trying out a cable connection for 30 days and will switch to same (Qwest)if I have no problems (my satellite contract ends in May)
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.18 23:16:00 -
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Video drivers?
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Esmenet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 23:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: KillerParrot
No I am not a aggreeable "Charater" .. Im a person who pays Real Money that I earn.
Who helps pay the Salary of Employees of CCP. They tend to forget that.
When you food in a Restraunt and it comes to you wrong or you have to wait a long time .. I bet you complain ..same thing here .. unless your drone who accepts people crapping on you thru your life.
People that earn real money dont whine over 20 cents.
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The Geoman
Anarchos Industrial Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.18 23:58:00 -
[37]
Originally by: annab
Edited by: annab on 18/03/2008 22:33:14
At the op.
Down times happen every day to check for problems like hardware checking. I prefer one hour downtime vesues the game having to be taken down for hours at a time due the need for hardware replacement.
Also you say you work at airports. The air traffic control system in England has had a huge amounts of bugs. BBC. To make the point that even airport systems are never bug free.
When a patch comes out there are problems I can't think of a bit of any software with out any bugs. Unless you count "Hello world" as software.
Also can you name any game which has 30000+ players on one server and has no bugs? I think not.
Can you post GMs posts of being rude and yours as well. I think the GM was rude to you when you got mad for him/her not giving you what you wanted. Like airport staff they can nice to you but be an ass then they are in their right to be an ass back.
If the OP pastes a transcript of a GM discussion it will only get the thread shut down. They don't like those conversations being made public 
Repeating the tired mantra about how CCP squeezes x amount of players on one server isn't even needed here. No game, regardless of the number of servers or players, is free of bugs. And every one of them has downtime..well, every one that I've played does.
This has been a bad week for Eve, so its not a true sampling of how things tend to be, except for a patch week. This seems to be a major syndrome for several major game companies, though: Patch week = "uh oh!" They sometimes seem to break more stuff than they fix 
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Esmenet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.19 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Indeed. Satellite connections as far as latency goes are literally as bad as 56k or worse. They have a ****ton of bandwidth, but poor latency.
Indeed satellite is a big no-no for online gaming.
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Keraa
Aquila Astralis
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Posted - 2008.03.19 02:42:00 -
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Games and Corporate software are two totally different animals. Game programmers have so many variables, it boggles my mind how they do what they do in the short time they do it and then plug it into the game. Going down for an hour each day is absolutley better than going going dow, three plus times a day or more like EQ 1 did back in the day.
I haven't had one CCP or GM ever be rude to me nor have I been ignored. Plus a poster also stated that they just had a Major patch, so sure there is expected to be extended downtimes because they can't forsee everything. You'll never find a MMORPG that has absolutely no bugs, downtimes or issues of any kind.
Just my 2 iskies
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Hippy Dave
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.19 02:50:00 -
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To the OP so you play between 10.00 and 18.00 so on an average day (when there hasnt been a huge patch like last week) you miss like 1hrs gaming a day... Get a grip dude, go outside breath in some fresh air, walk the dog, **** your GF or something... jeez
As for your issues with lag-post patch, much of it seemed to be due to vast numbers of people downloading said patch while everyone else tried to play, and the lag that is left is recognised by CCP as a problem and they are fixing it (was told this by one of those 'rude arrogant CCP devs' who in game took time out to explain this to me... how dare he... the bastard!!  )
Bugs ive experienced NONE not a single one, not saying they dont happen but they are rare, and comparing patching an online game, with 40k active users per-day all with different machines and specs on different connections with patching a unified closed network is kinda dumb, specially if you are a computer analyst (or whatever it was you said) you should know the two are not comparable.
Anyway if you dont like it... can i have your stuff 
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notaway
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 03:16:00 -
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Well regardless of my game problems mentioned above which seemed to occur with greater frequency as game players went from 20k to about 40k, I sure am glad my computer has been out for upgrading during this last patch...(video drivers--don't know ATI Catalyst--Radeon 9800xt card--(AGP)won't be a video driver issue with my new cpu/mobo/graphics card etc.)..I don't understand the OC info provided today by email along with the benchmark info but oh well...
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Chikou
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:32:00 -
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1: downtime is fine and needed.
2: bugs i realy find any and non of them botter me
3: costumer service aint the fastesd but they do there job and better than blizz does allthough they are faster.
4: patch deployment can allways go wrong they never can tell if it will work till they deploy it.
5: your skill training is your problem and not one that can be blamed to ccp
6: the monthly payment is on normal lvl with most p2p mmos out here if you life in the EU and use the euro you can save 4.5 euro for a 30 day card if you know where to buy them. (aka from american sites)
7: if you don't like the game and the stuff around it be a wise man/woman and leave.
Life long and prosper
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UnShavenMonkey
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.19 12:13:00 -
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#Once the slight problems they are having are over - this is an AMAZING ingroseing deep fun game the more you play
Issues lag ect ect are being worked on all the time, yet for some not quick enough - i hope the saying you have to wait for perfection is correct
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iain
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.03.19 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: iain on 19/03/2008 12:45:23
Originally by: KillerParrot
Edited by: KillerParrot on 18/03/2008 14:05:31
Edited by: KillerParrot on 18/03/2008 14:05:21
"Maybe it's more sound for CCP to say for which hours we do can play with 100% certainty, instead of stating when the server will be down (with 500 changes to that).
Find me an operating system that even runs with 100% certainty. Ok Linux probably gets close but most of us are using that rubbish called windows.
You're an analyst programmer and believe you can ever make "100%" claims about something related to computers? Sheesh... Kinda naive from my point of view (and yes i'm an analsyt/programmer too, I'd never tell anyone anything on a computer is 100% guaranteed)
Even microsoft cant get this stuff right. Repeatedly. Goodness knows how many paid programmers and they still churn out **** that blows up all the time, blue screens, and vista seems to like to tell me "Explorer has stopped responding" followed by restarting it, every 3-4 days.
Damn it i demand my 100% stable operating system *snicker*
Why am I even bother to reply to such a troll post, I must be bored and fancied venting, ho hum off to do whatever I was actually looking for on the forums.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.19 19:59:00 -
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Whilst I can only apologise for the problems attributed to the Trinity patch, I think one thing that can often be overlooked is the shear difficulty of running cutting edge technology.
There are a limited number of MMOs running currently and even fewer even attempting to do so on a limited number, or in our case, single shard.
That is why we're partnered with the likes of Microsoft, IBM and Nvidia as they are as interested in what happens with EVE as we are.
Given that there are plans for a supercomputer and the number of employees has quintupled in roughly a year, the future is bright!
Mitnal,
Community Representative
EVE Online
CCP Games
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Feyneman
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:16:00 -
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I have played an aweful lot of MMO's...from UO pre Trammel right through to LoTRO with lots in between and i have to say that my last 2 weeks experience of EvE has been very good. I got stuck entering Jita on my 2nd day and a GM responded to my petition within, quite literally, seconds. I hardly had time to look at the new frigate i had on the 'toon i made just for the petition and my 'main' was sorted out. As for down times i think CCP are doing a great job considering everyone plays on a single shard. I can't imaging many MMO's where that would work as well as it does in EvE.
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Sma Zakalwe
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sma Zakalwe on 19/03/2008 20:53:30
@Mitnal
I have no problem with the fact it is difficult to get the game 100% right; and updates and upgrades will always cause problems. This is understood. What I can't understand is that when major problems with playability emerge (such as the loss of FPS following the 1.1. patch) there is poor or non-existent communication.
This thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724170
which concerns the FPS problem is now seven pages long and has had two brief messages from a CCP rep. So after a week, I (and going by that and other threads quite a few other people) are still unable to play EVE, despite being able to do so without any problems prior to the 1.1. patch. Yet CCP is still to acknowledge that there is a real issue and that work is underway to address it.
Its not the problems themselves that make me angry and frustrated, its the lack of clear communications about what is going on and what is being done to resolve the problems.
Thanks
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Fredrickus
Infinite Mass Blasphemy
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.19 21:30:00 -
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To the hallowed and misinformed OP:
Please go play ANY MMO and name one that has no issues running a server for 300k subscribers.. Please, I will wait patiently for your reply..
With your vast high school educated oracle ability, be my guest in improving things. Given your lack of posting clarity, I can only assume you're a disgruntled teen with no real knowledge of game mechanics.
Here's your free bump for idiocy..
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:13:00 -
[49]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Given that there are plans for a supercomputer and the number of employees has quintupled in roughly a year, the future is bright!
You guys need to advertise and brag about these things a little. This is the first I hear of a supercomputer. I mean, seriously, it sounds GOOD; you play with high tech and are partnering left and right, advertise it! Do a press release, something. You're missing opportunities here.
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Nacho Daddy
Ministry of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: KillerParrot
Constant bugs ... Constant downtimes .. Very rude GM's who are snobs who dont care that you actually pay to play. Just constant problems. Not worth the money. They cant get there stuff together. Have a nice day.
Generic internet whine #4987405682385
Really, have you even played any other online game? Are you taking into consideration EVE's rather unique architecture?
There are bugs and downtime after every major patch in any online game I've ever played, doesn't mean I like them or thinks its really acceptable but CCP is no worse than any other company in this regard. Its how things are all over, like it or not, learn to deal with it.
The GMs I've dealt with have been great, professional, and reasonably prompt in dealing with problems. I'd say above average to very good IMO. You probably threw a tantrum and made a general ass of yourself and they treated you accordingly, especially if your post is any indication of your overall attitude.
As for getting so freaked out over your lost time, get a life man there are other things to do besides play EVE. The minuscule amount of RL money lost by a few hours down time isn't worth the time it takes to complain. As for your DB expertise, sorry but the amount of records stored by and changes to your DB pales in comparison to what EVE tracks and updates. Also other game companies don't have 40k players on their SERVER simultaneously. They have multiple shards where as EVE tracks several hundred thousand accounts all on one server.
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notaway
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.20 00:51:00 -
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Hehe hardehar --I just read the thread posted above on the FPS issue in Known Issues....gotta laugh cause my frame rate per second has always been 50 to 200 maybe cause of the satellite connection however that didn't keep me from suddenly just crashing to desktop...I've never had a fps problem--I hope my issue was video drivers cause I definitely won't have that problem with the computer upgrade and I likely still won't have fps issues--so maybe I will have no problems running the game on the satellite connection (like before trinity)...I will know soon...
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Monkey Saturday
Dedspace Saints
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:14:00 -
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Even if they won't or can't fix the problems i've had, the GM's have been at least polite about it. They've never called me names, always said please and thank you.
*shrug*
Its a game that I play for fun. I try not to get too worked up about this stuff. Sure the patch issues are an annoyance, but aren't they always? They'll be smoothed out in no time and you'll have a good 4+ months of flawless gameplay, just like after every patch 
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Sovereign533
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: KillerParrot
No I am not a aggreeable "Charater" .. Im a person who pays Real Money that I earn.
Obviously not teaching English in schools. Perhaps, instead of playing a game, you should concentrate on enhancing your grasp of the English language.
yes, cause we all know that in eve, we only have american and british players. who all have the language as their base language.
i really hate this kind of ignorance. so the OP's primary language isn't english, so ******* what? it's totally irrelevant and insulting to more ppl reading that. you sir, should try to spell my primary language as well as the op spells yours.
but i do agree that the op is an idiot.
don't like it, leave, and stop bugging the rest of us.
OR maybe even better, don't like the service, demand your money back.
i've played eve since mid 2005, and still like the game.
i've also had semi-rude GM's, but this was AFTER i had a long rude whine petition of the loss of that ship. he was quite polite after what i wrote.
gm's are also ppl, and if they were rude to you, you either talk to his/her chef, or you went over the line yourself.
and eve works with Windows Server and Windows Database's. with a few hundres servers, both database servers and node's. and they are constructing a super-computer to combat the lag. did you hear of any other game trying to do that?
and it's not Oracle, which is probaly better in handling database stuff, but they made a good deal with Microsoft (i guess), so they are using that.
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Connner
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 18:20:00 -
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OP is a whiner. I've been playing eve for a few months now, on a crapy computer with a crapy DSL connection and have had no problems whatsoever with CCP or with the game itself. I understand there are going to be problems after a major patch or update, we're talking about computers for crying out loud. They tend to break, software tends to break for no aparent reason sometimes. I'm in tech support so I've heard all the stories. Computer downtime is a fact of life. CCP cares that you pay a subscription to the game. The computers don't. No amount of whining is going to fix that.
Go play WoW. And can I have your stuff?
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Conur Helsan
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Posted - 2008.03.22 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
People that earn real money dont whine over 20 cents.
Actually they do. There's no one meaner than someone with real money.
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notaway
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:36:00 -
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I just got my gaming computer back upgraded to state of the art and regardless of my High Latency satellite connection when I went in-game tonight did not crash to desktop once... That tells me it's not the connection that has been causing the problems but the continual "improvement" made by ccp that basically requires ppl get high end computers to play properly---I am using the Premium pkg now also....
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Smantha Dering
Sam's Space Guys
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:10:00 -
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Airport software on the same hardware set that rarely changes and the programmers know exactly what they have vs. ccp programmers creating software to work on nearly unlimited combinations of hardware. Not the same, you should know that if you are a programmer.
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Gaius Decius
Ordo Imperialis
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Posted - 2008.03.22 16:09:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Gaius Decius on 22/03/2008 16:09:23
STFU
CIHYS?
GBTW
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Salliene
Happy Unicorn Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.22 18:02:00 -
[59]
Originally by: notaway
I just got my gaming computer back upgraded to state of the art and regardless of my High Latency satellite connection when I went in-game tonight did not crash to desktop once... That tells me it's not the connection that has been causing the problems but the continual "improvement" made by ccp that basically requires ppl get high end computers to play properly---I am using the Premium pkg now also....
So if I use an off the shelf Acer budget system with only 128 megs of vram via a cellular broadband connection and I don't have any problems playing, wouldn't that mean your assertion is crap?
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Darius Brinn
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.03.23 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: KillerParrot
Edited by: KillerParrot on 18/03/2008 14:05:31
Edited by: KillerParrot on 18/03/2008 14:05:21
Constant bugs ... Constant downtimes .. Very rude GM's who are snobs who dont care that you actually pay to play. Just constant problems. Not worth the money. They cant get there stuff together. Have a nice day.
Heres something from another player , one of many complaints .. and I aggree, CCP are amatures .. They have No Concept of Customer Service .. they simpily Dont care .. and to you peeps who thinks CCP is Great and all knowing and they are " Doing the best they can" .. Bullcrap!!!!!!!! ....
"Maybe it's more sound for CCP to say for which hours we do can play with 100% certainty, instead of stating when the server will be down (with 500 changes to that).
I'm new to this game. But I'm very aquainted with server and Oracle database change management, as I'm an analyst-programmer at a major airport in the EU. Our soft- and hardware is used 24/7 by A LOT of people, but patches are done with meticulous planning and almost never get out of hand (time or install itself). I've only seen this EvE server & database maintenance amateurism in my highschool or lower!
My play time is (unfortunately apparently) situated between 10:00 and 18:00 eve server time. The last few days, it's been quite hell to plan any skills, let alone plan ahead as a corp.
FOR SHAME! I mean that.
And yes, there are also good things in patch etc. You have my recognition for that in my rather high monthly payment. Now if I only could play this game instead of waiting most of the time!!!" Author left annom.
One would think that a seasoned analyst/programmer would at the very least know how to spell properly.
And one exclamation sign is enough.
Not to mention that "high monthly payment" is not exactly how a working professional would refer to 15 Euros.
Troll.
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