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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:23:00 -
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ive done my fair share of PvP in null sec. I can solo drone hordes in a battleship, Ive done 10/10 complexes (not alone of course)...but after finally returning to hi-sec after years...
I cant do fr*#$&*# level 4 missions!
I fly amarr...and only amarr. maybe thats the problem. it seems every gate in every mission is crawling with neuting batteries and neuting rats and no matter how sweet my tank is...I either dominate everything, or I lose a very pretty penny...very slowly...while sobbing into my beer...
So what does it take??
Ive used a Legion, I know the legion isnt the best in the world (but its not bad). that didnt work
I tried a partially faction fit abaddon...that really didnt work.
marauder?
navy apocalypse?
HAM Legion? (has like the DPS of a flashlight...)
faction fit Legion worth more than god?
I dont mind spending good money on a ship, ive got a bunch of faction mods sitting around. but i DO mind losing it. I know you shouldnt fly a ship you cant afford to lose, and yes I COULD afford to lose a 2b ISK ship, but I feel confident that most people dont lose their high ISK ratting ship each week.
ideas? strategies? what is the "right" ship (or ship fit)?
im getting really aggrivated knowing a computer beat me... |
Par'Gellen
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:30:00 -
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[Rattlesnake, T2]
6 x Shield Power Relay II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
2 x Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Invulnerability Field II
4 x Launchers
2 x Drone Link Augmentor I
3 x Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Whatever drones you like.
Will survive pretty much any L4 mission without even swapping any hardeners. DPS is not bad with decent drone skills. |
Megnamon
HOMELE55
FORECLOSURE.
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:34:00 -
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Part of the problem could be the faction of missions you are taking. Try a different area. For example if you are in an area that is primarily Sansha missions, move to Rens area for Angel missions. Different factions have different ewar tactics and you may need to find one that doesnt use as many neuts. |
Kazacy
BACKFIRE Squad
S O L A R I S
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:36:00 -
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I don't know but if you see alot of neuting batteries maybe you fly against blood raiders (they also have alot of tracking disruptors). I say try an t2 abaddon with pulses and cap booster (yes cap booster) pop as fast as you can td cruisers then neuting npc, and you should be fine.
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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:37:00 -
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I cant fly gallente or caldari...but thats actually not that long to train (15 days to get up to BS 4 in both). I have good-ish shield skills and pretty good drone skills (fly carriers so i have to).
Much better at armor and lazors tho, other ideas? |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:41:00 -
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Get a Paladin or Nightmare, fit a Cap Booster II, Shoot neuting rats first, Read eve-survival.org, have a nice day  |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation
Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:42:00 -
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I am not familiar with Amarr but have been told Amarr have a great missioning ship...some say the best. I can't remember what it is though.
Also, I thought Amarr can mission well but not against any enemy...they have to be selective and that missioning in Amarr space is generally the best for them. |
Lady Aja
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:43:00 -
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1st no neuting batteries in lvl 4's that i know of.
2nd skill up for a nightmare. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:45:00 -
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Zathryon wrote:
HAM Legion? (has like the DPS of a flashlight...)
They've more DPS than HPL Legions.
Quote:faction fit Legion worth more than god?
Nothing wrong with putting faction mods on a T3.
Also there's very few neuting scenarios in L4's, most of them are in epic arc missions. You'll come against Blood Raiders that neut you but the real answer there is fit a cap booster.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Par'Gellen
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:45:00 -
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Nightmare is a very good mission ship. Here is a fit I've used that I really liked. Have to watch the cap a bit but it's not bad.
[Nightmare, T2]
2 x Power Diagnostic System II
3 x Heat Sink II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2 x Cap Recharger II
2 x Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
4 x Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I
3 x Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
5 x Hammerhead II
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:47:00 -
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There's only *ONE* "foolproof" lvl 4 mission ship, period.
Dominix.
If you put 2 seconds worth of thought into your loadout before you undock for a mission, there's not a lvl 4 handed out by gallente agents that can't be done almost entirely afk by a domi.
And that includes Smash the Supplier, where you get what must be the entire damned amarr navy.
Never takes me more than 10 minutes start to finish, and it is probably my FAVORITE afk mission.
Hell, even WC is a damned snoozefest with the correct T2 modules.
Warp in, aggro the room with a civie laser, release the drones and have a nap. Warp to next room, rinse and repeat.
As for Smash the Supplier, well, read the cliff's notes and you, too, can profit handsomely without ever taking a single hit of damage.
I'm actually amazed they haven't nerfed the beast, honestly.
It's too overpowered as a PvE vessel.
Sure, there are ships that run them faster, but none as cheap or as AFK.
Grin
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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:48:00 -
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ok, yes the neuting batts were in the epic arc (i forgot those werent L4s...sort ot...)
I really want to do the epic arc though becuause I want the standing.
so pally, rattlesnake seems popular, cap boosters ftw, maybe retry the HAM legion.
I like the ideas, keep coming! |
Par'Gellen
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:52:00 -
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Sure, there are ships that run them faster, but none as cheap or as AFK.
Very true. Dominix with the right hardeners and a couple of reps is extremely hard to beat for the price.
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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:53:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Sure, there are ships that run them faster, but none as cheap or as AFK. Very true. Dominix with the right hardeners and a couple of reps is extremely hard to beat for the price.
just as (or almost as) foolproof for the epic arcs? |
Par'Gellen
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:55:00 -
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Zathryon wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Sure, there are ships that run them faster, but none as cheap or as AFK. Very true. Dominix with the right hardeners and a couple of reps is extremely hard to beat for the price. just as (or almost as) foolproof for the epic arcs?
I wouldn't take my Domi to the epic arcs. I'd use the rattle due to it being able to keep on kickin without any cap at all. |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:32:00 -
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Just PYFA'ed a rattlesnake and a Paladin
and wow...ok im kind of mad now for two reasons...
1. the rattlesnake is a correct answer...i hate "right" answers...I want choices!
2. if I had done this from the start I could have saved myself alot of ISK and heartache
for HALF the price of a well fitted Paladin, a rattlesnake has MORE DPS and DOUBLE the tank without needing any frickin cap!!
gah! im so mad! |
Par'Gellen
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:35:00 -
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Hehe I feel your pain  Good luck on the missioning! |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:29:00 -
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Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:31:00 -
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I've yet to come across a L4 or epic arc mission that I couldn't do in a t2 raven with cap booster [yes, i've completed all of them]. It's all about knowing what to do, what are the triggers, where can you kite, and what hardeners to fit. With the enormous number of mission guides there's really no time when you have no idea (although some epic arc missions have scant explanations). Same deal with the maelstrom. I don't trust the domi or apoc/baddon on epic arcs, but they're also fine for L4s in general.
PS: Paladin is great, rattlesnake is garbage. |
Malaxy
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:49:00 -
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Going out on a limb and suggesting the Ishtar since it didn't get a mention yet. Armor tank, drones as DPS (no cap needed), you said you have good drone skills, small sig, etc.. If i get bored enough to jump in one for level 4s i just orbit something at the center of the pocket at some stupid distance with an AB on and let the ogre IIs do all the work. Typical fit is anything to get aggro (i use lazers), standard armor tank and 2-3 drone links for distance. Might take longer but probably costs a lot less if you screw up :P |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:09:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs.
Funny you should say that... my Dominix has run both without much problem, though sure a rattler would have a lot more tank. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:45:00 -
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Zathryon wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Sure, there are ships that run them faster, but none as cheap or as AFK. Very true. Dominix with the right hardeners and a couple of reps is extremely hard to beat for the price. just as (or almost as) foolproof for the epic arcs?
Wellll, you can use the Domi on Epic Arc missions, but since for some missions it lacks tank even if said tank is way too much for L4's, you have to start getting creative with your fits and tactics. It's not as foolproof as L4's but it's still pretty hard to die if you don't do something stupid like thinking you can get these last two fat red crosses while at 50% hull already. And the total rewards from the good Epic Arcs are enough to pay for the ship several times over, not including the ~priceless~ standings gain.
Some parts of epic arcs have NPCs that roll up quickly and deliver really effective kicks to the nuts. My nearly perfect Dominix pilot with a great armor tank took a beating more than once, even while not standing still. You could probably go out and spend a lot of money to really ubertank the Dominix, but to me that defeats the purpose of the ship: cheap and effective (though not necessarily efficient ISK/hr-wise). Might as well get a pimp-tank Rattlesnake at that point. "Cheap" has its merits just like "efficient" does.
Some Epic Arc Dominix tactics:
* Most missions are in pockets within which you can warp from point to point, bookmark to bookmark (or bookmark to veldspar, whatever). Make such bookmarks for on-grid warping.
* Often, incoming damage and EWAR isn't effective at very long range (~200km) and in case of EWAR cruisers, you can very nearly instapop those with T2 sentries when they start MWD'ing to approach from ~200km away (because you warped in at that distance  Not possible in all missions, but is possible in oh so many). The batteries are also usually easy to pop with sentries.
* You can fit your Dominix to have a 200+km lock range and at the same time have sentries with vastly increased optimal. Three Omnidirectional Tracking Link II's give you Wardens that have a 130km optimal, 91km Curators, 104km Bouncers and 51km Gardes (aww, poor Gardes). Add falloff on top of that and you can have sentries that start taking out EWAR cruisers and/or frigs well before you start taking craploads of damage. This fit does leave you with a significantly crappier tank.
* When the NPCs get too close for comfort and you're in a lol-snipe Domi, having just popped most if not all cruisers and some battleships, warp to an on-grid bookmark. Lather, rinse, repeat.
As has already been said: is this the most efficient setup? Hell no. Does it work? Of course. Obviously, you can aim for greater efficiency if you're serious about running missions, but the Dominix is pretty damn nearly foolproof when it comes to achieving the goal of "objective completed" and not dying, while also not putting that much effort into actually running most missions. I haven't insured a Domi in ages because it is literally a waste of money to me. I would have spent far more on insurance payments than the platinum payout in case of an unfortunate event. Never lost a PvE Domi. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:57:00 -
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I have many accounts of varying races and have tried, RS, Tengu, navy raven, Ammar BS's, Domi, Maelstrom, NM, etc. My advice is to train Caldari BS to 4 and get a NM as you already have the T2 large lazor skills, you will no longer be soiling your beer with tears.. trust me. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
443
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:36:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs. Funny you should say that... my Dominix has run both without much problem, though sure a rattler would have a lot more tank.
Flying it afk or actually flying it?
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:43:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs.
please explain how you can gank someone with aggressive drones. last I checked, this mechanic had been removed from the game.
How to make mining enjoyable: An Autocannon, Faction Ammo, Your Mouth
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Undistinguished Gray Suit
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 01:01:00 -
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If I only flew Amarr I'd be inclined to try using an Abbadon with arty or ACs. It'll nerf your DPS of course, but if you have enough buffer I bet you can at least kill all the neuts and scrambling frigs. If your tank is good enough you can just keep plugging away, or you can warp out to refit with lasers or change ships. The latter may be faster overall even if you don't really need to warp out.
If I ran that arc right now I would do things a bit differently, but that's just based on the characters I have available. I'd probably dualbox with a pair of spider tanking ships consisting of a missile flinging Caldari BS and a Minmatar BS. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
444
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:37:00 -
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Kush Monster wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs. please explain how you can gank someone with aggressive drones. last I checked, this mechanic had been removed from the game.
You can still steal from their wrecks and be considered aggressive and have their drones attack you last I checked.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:52:00 -
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i see your fighting blood raiders in CAP heavy ships, try moving to an area where you dont have to fight nuting missions.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.02.23 06:50:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Dominix would get destroyed in the Gallente Epic arc. Studio 1 and Showtime are painful missions.
Wrong. Lots of people have done the entire arc in a dominix (myself - with a sentry rigged one), and Showtime is ungated. I won't say its trivial but, but its certainly not "painful" to snipe with sentries.
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Also the Amarr epic arc has a few neuts in various missions.
Its a cheap hull. Nothing stops you owning 2 of them, and rigging them differently, and its drone bonused, so turning off the guns and pulsing a rep generates a lot of spare cap for cap tanking mission neuting, and the drones can break anything found in a misison alone if need be.
I found the ishtar a bit of a suprise for blood neuting, not because I wasn't aware of it, but because compared to my domi, it capped out so fast, nearly caught me out altogether. Battleships just don't cap out immediately.
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Domis might be great to go afk in, but the mission will take you far longer than any active tanked gunboat. Also Domi's run a risk of being picked off by griefers who'll take advantage of your aggressive Drones. Same goes for Rattlesnakes that afk with Drones/FoFs.
No. Its a double dps bonused ship. It is not slow at missions, it is slow at missions if you blindly copy paste a dumb afk setup from battleclinic.
and also no, drones will not cause player aggression merely by being set to aggressive whilst someone loots stuff. being afk is however a good way to get shot by a wartarget. |
SirDynty
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:40:00 -
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You have a lot of choices,but THE misson boat is Marauder.
It not slow Tank&Drone **** as in Dominix,but Marauder have evrything you need for misson GÇô very good dps on 850+ (domi can do that as well with heavy drones,but its just a GÇPpaperGÇ£ dps as heavy drones travel a lot,and Sentry drones Miss a lot),very good restists+ bonussed Tank,range,Tractor beams for pulling mission objectives(Cargo container with militants and all that ****),Marauder can lock 10 Targets,so you much less clicking and locking and as a bonus,you spend 50% less on ammo (well not really good for Ammar :)
In Galente marauder (Kronos) you tank with Armor but in a lot of missions you only cycle repairer for 2 cycles,as its bonussed,resists are insane and Mission looks like GÇô Warp on 100km,lock all&kill 70% of whole room before they even start to land some hits on you GÇô shoot the rest GÇô pull the objective with tractor - warp out
So imho,if you can afford that t3 legion..go for Marauder,you not only GÇPdoGÇ£ lvl 4 mission but totaly own them,you will se the difference
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