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Nex Altrad Reseune Industries	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Zaepho eve-marketforces.com registered. It'll be a bit until things propogate properly. quote] I like the name, and agree we should move quickly. If needed we can change names AFTER this election and before the next. Is the website up? Tried hitting it today and all I get is the place holder. Nex Altrad -And where is the profit in that?
Darius Akaron Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:59:00 - [92] I think an organized group to keep the industrial and business side of EVE on the forefront of discussion is important. Whether is going to be practical really depends on the actual "power" that the CSM holds and if CCP actually listens to them. But in the hope that it does work out well, I am interested in this council idea and serving on it.
Atherin Gaius Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:15:00 - [93] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Daeva Vios Again, this isn't Stations, Starbases and Outposts. If manufacturers and producers want a vote, they can run for the independent seats. This is the Market Discussions group and is therefore primarily about the economy and markets. I agree entirely with every other aspect. I believe 9 or 11 members would be fine. I do not think Manufacturers or Producers should get guaranteed seats. They have their forums, they have their own interests, and those interests do not necessarily coincide with the good of the economy. I see where you are coming from. But lets face it. The secondary market RELIES on the primary market, so manufacturering matters extremely much. Which is why we have "independent" slots The manufactures should have their own spot...with out them none of you traders would have a job. :) I think the independents should pull from all the major divisions of the ecenomy and people like me who dabble in most of them as well as invest. This council is about giving everyone a voice I assume and not just the an elite few? or maybe it is about allowing only certain people to make changes to the system based on their needs. Well, I am running for an independent position within the council on the platform of including all sectors of the econmy into this economic party and give a voice to the small traders, producers and investors.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:39:00 - [94] Originally by: Nex Altrad Originally by: Zaepho eve-marketforces.com registered. It'll be a bit until things propogate properly. I like the name, and agree we should move quickly. If needed we can change names AFTER this election and before the next. Is the website up? Tried hitting it today and all I get is the place holder. I posted previously about the forums I put up for the use of the political party. The address is http://www.eve-politico.net. Feel free to register on the forums and post away. Regarding Zaepho and his marketforces, I wouldn't mind help running those boards but as I have never heard of Zaepho and I didn't like the marketforces domain name I decided to go ahead and toss up some forums on another domain name. Any suggestions about it are appreciated. Go on over and have a look. Amarr Citizen 155 ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Nex Altrad Reseune Industries	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:44:00 - [95] Originally by: Ramblin Man I was operating under the impression that we were guaranteeing seats to people who would provide a viewpoint that would enrich our playstyle. Otherwise, what's the justification of having guaranteed seats at all? "Because they're our friends" seems a little weak. My suggestion of "nominated seats" is for two very pragmatic reasons. 1) To expedite the formation of our Leadership Council. We need to get our framework in place soon. 2) The groups that have been proposed (banks, exchanges, etc) have all demonstrated their ability to create this framework in the meta-game. Either through web site construction, API tools, creation of secondary markets, and other things. In the end the Leadership Council is not our CSM canidate, it is a mechanism for finding and promoting our canidate. The Council should be composed of members who get the party framework in place for our community and then let us as a whole decide on our canidate. There is nothing stating that the organizations having guaranteed nominations will select their own personell for the council, nor that the council will chose a council member as our CSM canidate. I actually think it makes more sense for the Leadership Council to select a non council-person as canidate considering the time involved in each job. Nex Altrad -And where is the profit in that?
Zaepho Advanced Powers Merchant Empire	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:18:00 - [96] My webhost was having VDeck difficulties unfortunately which delayed (and still is delaying)things. Since Amarr Citizen 155 has the forums up and running on http://eve-politico.net I would suggest we use that location. Amarr Citizen 155 makes the valid point that I am an unknown in this forum (although I was hoping to use provision of the off-ccp site as a way to gain a bit of reputation in an expediant manner :) ).
Protrade University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:12:00 - [97] This is something that needs to be pushed. I know of two people that are launching themselves head first into being CSM Candidates. Both are pvpers and really hate industrialists... Unless you give them free stuff We need a CSM marketeer elected so we can get richer _____________________________________ Wealth is not determined by assets or liquid isk. It is determined by the amount of caracals in your possession.
Daeva Vios New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:22:00 - [98] Doesn't seem very smart to hate the industrialists you rely on to provide you with the toys you use to ply your trade, does it? Unfortunately, this attitude is quite common. Some folks want Counter-Strike in space. Oh well.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.24 06:51:00 - [99] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 06:55:02 Originally by: Daeva Vios Doesn't seem very smart to hate the industrialists you rely on to provide you with the toys you use to ply your trade, does it? Unfortunately, this attitude is quite common. Some folks want Counter-Strike in space. Oh well. Some of you are regarding this escapade as a wish fulfilling means, some of you are drawn by the thought of being acknowledged in a leader position. Read my previous post in this thread. This CSM thing was not supposed to be a wish fulfilling opportunity but a means of mitigating the impact of changes imposed by the devs. What bright ideas can you come up with? You think that if we all want CS in space /first person ship combat the devs will implement that? You really think you know what's better for the marketing of this game than the devs? You people are deluding yourselves. The only ones that have an immediate gain from this are the egotistic individuals running for a seat in this party of yours. Was this party really necessary?
Daeva Vios New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:39:00 - [100] Dear YouGotRipped, You take yourself far too seriously. This is a video game, it will always be about having fun and doing things you otherwise wouldn't consider. This is why you will always be irrelevant in this forum. Sincerely, DV
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.24 15:06:00 - [101] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 15:07:56 Originally by: Daeva Vios Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/03/2008 14:47:16 Edit: Ehh. Not worth it. Oh... Why not? We both know how much you love to post, what's the matter? Maybe I can help you.
Hexxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.24 15:12:00 - [102] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 15:07:56 Originally by: Daeva Vios Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/03/2008 14:47:16 Edit: Ehh. Not worth it. Oh... Why not? We both know how much you love to post, what's the matter? Maybe I can help you. Maybe you can opt to take the high road as Daeva just did instead. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.24 15:25:00 - [103] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 15:27:39 Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 15:07:56 Originally by: Daeva Vios Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/03/2008 14:47:16 Edit: Ehh. Not worth it. Oh... Why not? We both know how much you love to post, what's the matter? Maybe I can help you. Maybe you can opt to take the high road as Daeva just did instead. I'm sorry, I didn't realize the interest for this thread died of natural causes. We'll leave it in the dustbin of history.
Hexxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:31:00 - [104] Edited by: Hexxx on 24/03/2008 19:31:06 Originally by: YouGotRipped I'm sorry, I didn't realize the interest for this thread died of natural causes. We'll leave it in the dustbin of history. I was hoping we could do this in a semi-democratic fashion...if interest is not suffecient to achieve this, then I'll have to resort to less than democratic means to establish a functional "special interest" group. What bothers me is the people who rail against too much power in the hands of the market elites, yet when it comes to participating in the formation of these "elite" groups these critics are silent. I've no problem with people protesting authority, but being apathetic to market issues and issues such as this kind of places these people in the position of being a hypocrite. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Daeva Vios New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:37:00 - [105] Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/03/2008 20:40:00 Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/03/2008 20:39:10 Before the formation of the CSM, I was very strongly opposed to the formation of any formal group in this forum. A part of me is still quite opposed to the idea, but since we are a relatively minor special interest group in the eyes of the EVE population, we need to band together to have a voice. I would rather be actively involved in the group and therefore be capable of influencing its direction than standing outside the walls shouting out and being ignored. Whether or not the CSM is going to remain valid in its current form doesn't really matter. What matters is that it is being set up now and so we have to assume that it will remain in place and act accordingly. Perhaps everything we do will be for nothing, but if the CSM remains in place under any guise we need to have a unified group to lobby for issues that are pertinent to us. I also don't like the characterization of this party as a group of elites. It needs to remain crystal clear that anyone with an interest in the market can join and take part from the get go regardless of their standing in the eyes of their peers.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:00:00 - [106] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/03/2008 21:02:22 Originally by: Hexxx Edited by: Hexxx on 24/03/2008 19:31:06 Originally by: YouGotRipped I'm sorry, I didn't realize the interest for this thread died of natural causes. We'll leave it in the dustbin of history. I was hoping we could do this in a semi-democratic fashion...if interest is not suffecient to achieve this, then I'll have to resort to less than democratic means to establish a functional "special interest" group. What bothers me is the people who rail against too much power in the hands of the market elites, yet when it comes to participating in the formation of these "elite" groups these critics are silent. I've no problem with people protesting authority, but being apathetic to market issues and issues such as this kind of places these people in the position of being a hypocrite. If it makes you feel better Hexxx, the devs are reading the MD forum and seizing any bright idea for that matter even with all the amount of intoxicating info that's being poured on a daily basis. I'm convinced that everything that can be done to enhance the game experience is being done. Your idea of a MD party is superfluous for the simple fact that you already are the best choice for a representative in the CSM. (even if the CSM is just a formality). However I don't think that the people here appreciate enough your overall contribution to the welfare of this forum. It's a pity really to see that others don't really know their place in this community. We're appointing Hexxx as the CSM representative for the economical side of the game and that's final.
Daeva Vios New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:08:00 - [107] It's been said several times that Hexxx would be a fine representative, and I would love to see him be the CSM. But...does he want it? ------------------------------------- Want to make a difference in the economy? Join the Party! eve-politico.net
Atherin Gaius Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:08:00 - [108] i believe that hexxx has said that he wanted to concentrate on EBANK and wasn't interested in the CSM position.
Ramblin Man Empyreum Lux Caelestia	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:16:00 - [109] Fsck. To be edited with my nomination when I get back from eating horrible, horrible (delicious) Mexican. I figure, I'm just spouting words if I muss about all the threads and then don't offer to put my time in. And I do believe in the CSM as a force for good in EVE -- Helmar or Oveur or whoever gave the talk was right, eventually communities do outgrow direct representation with the devs. Also, I'd be honored to serve next to Daeva Vios. Props for taking the high road indeed. o7 Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar Where we hate people through words.
Phoenix Pryde 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Khatred Oh my, the bane of everything that is humane and natural, parties and politics. what he said ... TRUST sales management

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