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Hexxx	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:41:00 - [1] We need the formation of a "political" party with the aim of progressing the interests of the markets via the CSM. This party effectively supports and/or lobbies a candidate (and perhaps the general populace) with the goal of influencing CCP's developmental efforts and guiding the progressive direction of EVE's markets and business. This political party would serve as a united front for energy, suggestions, isk and as a participant in larger "alliances" of political blocs. My suggestion is this: A handful of the major powers come together and announce the party (name, stated goals, etc) to quickly establish influence and credability with people signing up to the party after that. So, the following needs to be addressed: 1) Is this worth doing 2) Specifically, what could be done to advance the stated goals 3) Who would be able and willing to participate Now...there's alot I'm not saying here, and for obvious reasons I won't. The questions and issues I've listed are not for me to answer; I pose them to the community. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Treelox Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:47:00 - [2] <---- already formed, note corp name --
Hexxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Treelox <---- already formed, note corp name I can't see your flippin' corp name...turn it on through forum settings! Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Athre The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:59:00 - [4] Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party is what it says , go Tree
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:00:00 - [5] 1. Yes 2. first you get the money, then you get the power, THEN you get the woman 3. count me in, i wouldn't mind being a part of this in some sort of support role. ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Treelox Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Treelox <---- already formed, note corp name I can't see your flippin' corp name...turn it on through forum settings! it is on, maybe you should log in? part of the "boost only patch", you now need to be logged in to see corp/allaince info. --
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:27:00 - [7] I think this could be a good idea but I'm not sure we have an unified interest here. We've got 1) Traders (folks buying and selling on the market) 2) Bankers 3) T2 BPO owners 4) Large scale production people 5) Small scale production people All represented here plus some more. Are there really enough interests in common to form a platform? For example Emfi probably would like to see invention nerfed but some of the smaller producers on this forum, maybe not so much. Lets not go launching the conservative party just for the joy of launching the conservative party. Dal Originally by: HEXXX In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:33:00 - [8] Oh my, the bane of everything that is humane and natural, parties and politics.
Samantha Watanabe Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:20:00 - [9] How about a party that doesnt concetrate on getting this and that about the market nerfed, but instead focuses on lobbying CCP to actually pay attention to the features that are implmented or actually planned for the market. For example, the current market quickbar snafu needs fixing. A saved contract search would be very nice. Certain contract limitations (such as item count and m3 size for couriers) should be rethought. Autoupdate just adds lag to everyone and needs to go. Corporations need better ways to manage corporate market orders if people go on vacation. The API could do with some market loving.... Etc. My main will anonymously donate some isk for the bribing of officials if something like this gets off the ground.
Dr Clark Universal Transportation Solutions	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:22:00 - [10] I for one would like to nomnaite Hexx
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Dal Thrax I think this could be a good idea but I'm not sure we have an unified interest here. We've got 1) Traders (folks buying and selling on the market) 2) Bankers 3) T2 BPO owners 4) Large scale production people 5) Small scale production people All represented here plus some more. Are there really enough interests in common to form a platform? While we do have our differences, there are major commonalities. For instance, we all have a vested interest in seeing some high end industrial content. There's also a long list of features that I think we could all agree on. We have too many vested interests to come to any sort of consensus on tweaks to the game but there are tons of potential market, industry and corporation features that would benefit all of us. Imagine if you will, the server uses all of the Jita average values (which it automatically calculates) to assign "value" to corporation assets, updated after every downtime so no new load on the servers. Image too, that you can place a cap on how much corp property an individual is allowed to take. Suddenly you can have employees. You can have dozens of guys working with hundreds of billions of your assets and you could cap it such that they couldn't steal more than a couple hundred million from you. Suddenly, you can pay a noob to empty your reactors for you and while he has complete access to hundreds of billions in assets he can only hold a 100M at a time. So he empties one silo into his Badger Mark II (maxing his cap) and flies it to your corporate office, he moves it into the corp hangar (cap goes back up) and he goes back for another load. He has access to everyone of your reactors and all your corp hangars but he can never steal more than that cap. Just imagine the possibilities. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:09:00 - [12] As long as the person chosen convinces CCP to make share transfers trackable then I don't care what happens with this CMS thing.
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:23:00 - [13] Off the record. my vote can be bought. Now accepting donations from the PAC Wad
Titus Lewis Suddenly Successful	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:47:00 - [14] I fully support and/or endorse this product and/or idea. The problem will be coming up with ideas we can all agree on, and then finding a way to agree that we all agree. Then having some kind of very dependable representation who agrees that we agree and takes the idea and runs with it with the voracity of a commission working salesman who is on the verge of starving to death. The whole thing is both very ambitious and very worthwhile.
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Hexxx 1) Is this worth doing 2) Specifically, what could be done to advance the stated goals 3) Who would be able and willing to participate 1) Yes definately. 2) Initially I don't think we need to be too specific, but rather the party can be created under a much broader agenda such as you have previously stated "Improve the Markets through CSM" etc. 3) I would be very willing to participate in a mature and collaborative effort. Deus Ex Machina ~ Eve Corp, Web Design & Gaming News
Daallie Dynasty Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:01:00 - [16] Gathering together here is probably the best thing that we can do to take advantage of the CSM. We really need to push for some of the holes in the economic end of eve and we are the wealthiest people around this galaxy so we should take advantage of this opportunity to promote our own fixes. Even if we are all not the same in terms of profession like Kwint was saying we can definitely all band together for some fixes to the game that we all understand the need for. The real issue is how much do we think this is worth putting money forward towards (buying votes etc.) If we are going to band together here like a political party we should be like the political parties and have people voting because Ebank said they support Candidate B and/or Candidate C. Lets get this organized and we can really take advantage of this. Dynasty Corporation
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Daallie Gathering together here is probably the best thing that we can do Agreed, though my only qualm about this is CCPs moderation rules. The public debate could certainly rage on here, but I would prefer a place to discuss party polotics free of censorship and semi-private. Deus Ex Machina ~ Eve Corp, Web Design & Gaming News
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Astorothe Originally by: Daallie Gathering together here is probably the best thing that we can do Agreed, though my only qualm about this is CCPs moderation rules. The public debate could certainly rage on here, but I would prefer a place to discuss party polotics free of censorship and semi-private. I'd much rather do it on our own board. Perhaps Ebank would be so kind as to setup a section on their forum for us? Frankly, I trust Ebank's moderators a lot more than I do CCP's. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Hexxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Astorothe Originally by: Daallie Gathering together here is probably the best thing that we can do Agreed, though my only qualm about this is CCPs moderation rules. The public debate could certainly rage on here, but I would prefer a place to discuss party polotics free of censorship and semi-private. I'd much rather do it on our own board. Perhaps Ebank would be so kind as to setup a section on their forum for us? Frankly, I trust Ebank's moderators a lot more than I do CCP's. Ebank's forums are embarressing... Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Daallie Dynasty Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Daallie on 20/03/2008 04:55:44 Ya that is probably an excellent plan. If EBank has problems or does not want to host the forum I am willing to offer to host a forum on my server for this purpose. o wow hexxx nice timing...I assume that means you do not want to volunteer a forum creation? Dynasty Corporation
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.20 05:07:00 - [21] If they are running this like a sort of popularity contest, chances are that known forum 'ladies of questionable virtue' and whoever large alliance leadership says to vote for will win. Since I don't see any big alliances around here, gotta go with the forums and maybe campaigning in the hubs. I fully support this idea. the markets are a neglected but pretty important part of the game, considering that just the regulars in here control a sizable percentage of the totally money supply. I'd try to get a RP candidate on there too, but I just don't think there are enough RPers. I would like, however, to offer my services as assistant Propaganda Minister. My previous work: Sansha RP chip thingy - If I can make Sansha chips look good, whitewashing our candidate's various terrible indiscretions should be no problem. We need a catchy name though. And a person of course. I would nominate Hexxx as well, out of the MD regulars. Honestly Chribba would be an even better option if he is willing though. I know many here have had dealing with him as a broker, plus he will be a shoo in. Ideally our shoo in. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Karanth GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.20 06:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Karanth on 20/03/2008 06:16:16 Chribba would be a landslide, but Hexxx or Ricdic or Shadarle would all do very well I think. EDIT: Treelox too. "Current Earth-Destruction Status"
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Karanth Edited by: Karanth on 20/03/2008 06:16:16 Chribba would be a landslide, but Hexxx or Ricdic or Shadarle would all do very well I think. EDIT: Treelox too. I think the ideal person for it would be Hexxx honestly. Obviously nearly universally respected here, smart guy, knows the ins and outs of what market peopel would want the most, etc. Given that he would have time for something like this at all anyway. However I'm concerned about actual electability, which is why I suggested Chribba. Given the relatively small group of people who know who Hexxx is in the larger community, I don't know if he could get elected, vast quantities of ISK aside. Just need to turn all that industrial capacity toward mining veld for The Bribe to Chribba if he is elected. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:28:00 - [24] This only got to happen because of the sheer amount of utter crap posted in the features and ideas forums. It's no wonder that no dev reads them. And of course CCP needs someone to act as a mediator when they impose certain changes that clearly benefit the marketing of the game. Again who cares... So it does not matter who gets elected as long as the individual is willing to forward the result of certain issues that are debated here. (we might need to change some posting regulations to allow that).
Segge Bolled Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Hexxx 1) Is this worth doing 2) Specifically, what could be done to advance the stated goals 3) Who would be able and willing to participate 1) A very good question. I think it is certainly worth the consideration. I've always considered "the Market" and all related paraphernalia to be a keystone of EVE Online. Consequently, I would like to see it, at worst, protected and at best improved upon further. The construction of a political mechanism to achieve this would appear to be a viable strategy now with the C.S.M. but by no means a simple one to assemble, taking into consideration the fairly diverse spectrum of interested parties. Still, divided as we may be in specific interests, we're all united by a love of ISK and the printing thereof. 2) Things to do (in no exact order): - Present and assert a core leadership team and structure for the Party. I've already seen one or two threads looking for nominations to the CSM itself, I think some of those names would do better to unite into a unified think-tank or power bloc to initialize the Party and maintain this early support. - Prepare or acquire an off-site communications medium to facilitate the Party, an obvious example being a forum. EBANK may not have the prettiest forum on the internet, but right now all that is needed is something that works. - The Party doesn't (to my knowledge) need to be a corporation. It could just be a Party-run forum/website with a public/private list of confirmed members. - Name the Party (I like "Market Forces", but this is just an aside.) There are a number of other things, but I'll avoid gross detail for now. 3) I tend to lurk, and my interest in this forum waxes and wanes a little, but if enough "big names" can be pulled early on to better prove some viability, I'm happy to offer my services, whatever those could be.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:40:00 - [26] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 20/03/2008 07:40:12 Can we please get passed our overgrown ego and realize that whoever gets elected must act as the voice of the people and not like an omniscient, omnipotent being?
Segge Bolled Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Hexxx 1) Is this worth doing 2) Specifically, what could be done to advance the stated goals 3) Who would be able and willing to participate 1) A very good question. I think it is certainly worth the consideration. I've always considered "the Market" and all related paraphernalia to be a keystone of EVE Online. Consequently, I would like to see it, at worst, protected and at best improved upon further. The construction of a political mechanism to achieve this would appear to be a viable strategy now with the C.S.M. but by no means a simple one to assemble, taking into consideration the fairly diverse spectrum of interested parties. Still, divided as we may be in specific interests, we're all united by a love of ISK and the printing thereof. 2) Things to do (in no exact order): - Present and assert a core leadership team and structure for the Party as soon as possible. I've already seen one or two threads looking for nominations to the CSM itself, I think some of those names would do better to unite into a joint think-tank or power bloc to initialize the Party and maintain this early show of support. The group chooses from within itself (or without) their nominee. - Prepare or acquire an off-site communications medium to facilitate the Party, an obvious example being a forum. EBANK may not have the prettiest forum on the internet, but right now all that is needed is something that works. Delay and stagnancy are just as big an enemy as conflicting ideas and ideals. - The Party doesn't (to my knowledge) need to be a corporation. It could just be a Party-run forum/website with a public/private list of confirmed members. - Name the Party (I like "Market Forces", but this is just an aside.) - it is just as much a product as an idea to be marketed, so something dually concise and cutting would be nice. There are a number of other things, but I'll avoid gross detail for now. 3) I tend to lurk, and my interest in this forum waxes and wanes a little, but if enough "big names" can be pulled early on to better prove some viability, I'm happy to offer my services, whatever those could be.
Daeva Vios New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:21:00 - [28] I support this plan. 1) Yes, very much so. 2) Form an official charter, a statement of beliefs, a web forum, find a catchy name that plays well with the people, and denounce all others as fascists. (that last may be in jest...) 3) I for one am very interested in contributing in whatever way I can.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:37:00 - [29] OHGOD... politicians in Eve, I guess next step are lawyers. I think someone described the CSM idea pretty well in other forum: few guys will get nice holidays on Iceland.
Marie deMedici Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:54:00 - [30] My vote is for sale for 5B isk. ;)

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