If we ignore the new BC (GANK MOBILES), mods, better (MORE EXPENSIVE) POS fuel, PI (HIGHER TAXES & POCO Tax Bu--Sh--) update ect...

YET again.

I guess Winter 2013 ?? Maybe ????



I'm just SAYIN'.......

(thanks CSM 6)

fixed..........

Lul, you thought the CSM are there for something more than the +1 ego and the free trip to Iceland. LOL!

Who builds those ships? I do.

Higher PI taxes? Move to low sec/0.0

POS fuel? I build that too, my god it has made running a pos so much easyer and made me so much money.


In short, you are terrible at industry if you did not benefit from crucible.

lol. Acknowledged that fact with my lame sarcasm and eyeroll.

Oh, trust me, I'm making a FREAKING FORTUNE from Fuel Blocks, but this is NOT what we have in mind and you know it. Yawn.

If it's in the interest of the corporation that the CSM's belong to they'll propose it and pursue it until it's implemented. If it isn't then I'm afraid you're **** out of luck.

And what do you have in mind?

Was hoping for a bit more than that

It would have to be something impressive to beat what CCP has planned for this summer.

I suppose as a goon Mittens has already told you guys exactly what's coming up, then? No surprises.

That said, how do you know there won't be any changes at all to anything industry-related?

Yes...no love for industry yet again. I am not really an industry person myself but I think industry really does need some love. Everything in EvE starts with industry. There is no PvP without industry. We need our industrial players to keep the game moving for the rest of us.

Essentially, we need an "industrial revolution". We need more internet-spaceships-steampunk fusion. Or something.

OP is either troll or too stupid to be any different from such


Either way you all fell for it

Right now what the indy folks need is more bots removed from the game.

Another expansion without so will just mean more bots and worse prices.

Be patient.

and devalue the market even faster.

This is due to ISK faucets (bounties and incursions), not mineral faucets. An abundance of minerals would reduce price levels over all.

As an academic exercise one could try to imagine eves economy in a closed loop model:
All ISK removed by sinks is put in a pool. ISK faucets scale dynamically based on the fullness of the pool.
CCP can easily track the relevant ISK movements and only has to decide what percentages of the total faucet volume goes to which player activity. By tuning the relative pool fullness level, CCP can easily control the ISK/effort ratio to the desired balance.

This is the dream of every central planning banker. But it doesn't work, even in a closed model because within eve itself are innumerable variables. Once you tweak anything in the sandbox, it effects everything else.

Tuning payouts could undo work on other expansions, radically change fleet composition, alter the amount of combat, increase or decrease griefing, change population flows.

That's not an argument by me not to do it, but when Eve starts tweaking the sandbox, the effects lead to a different game for everyone.

As an academic exercise one could try to imagine eves economy in a closed loop model:
All ISK removed by sinks is put in a pool. ISK faucets scale dynamically based on the fullness of the pool.
CCP can easily track the relevant ISK movements and only has to decide what percentages of the total faucet volume goes to which player activity. By tuning the relative pool fullness level, CCP can easily control the ISK/effort ratio to the desired balance.

I trust you have some suggestions for different ways to make selecting a blueprint and factory slot more interesting and exciting. Perhaps you're running for the CSM as a representative of industrialists? Have you even made a decent well thought out proposal to the current CSM in their forum?

Of course not; its so much easier to complain than it is to be a functional part of the solution.

Allow me to convey what I am sure our Mittani's sincere and heartfelt apology for failing to please Krixtal Icefluxor, noted for his good judgment and sensible tastes shown by enjoying ice mining. He will certainly readjust his priorities in light of this new information. I, and the community at large, appreciate your input.

This is the dream of every central planning banker. But it doesn't work, even in a closed model because within eve itself are innumerable variables. Once you tweak anything in the sandbox, it effects everything else.

Tuning payouts could undo work on other expansions, radically change fleet composition, alter the amount of combat, increase or decrease griefing, change population flows.

But CCP has an even better mechanism to control the economy: PLEX. Because only CCP can create both PLEX and ISK, they can effectively "make" plex and push them onto the market, giving away game time (that didn't cost CCP anything*** because they made it) to soak up excess ISK. Since you would be buying these PLEX from a CCP alt, CCP would hold or destroy that ISK and thus remove it from the economy.

And they can also "make" ISK and inject it into the market by buying up PLEX that is for sale by players. The players don't know (or care) where the ISK comes from. And the PLEX again can be held by CCP or destroyed as they see fit. PLEX has effectively become as useful as a treasury note.

however what i (and i guess lots of others) want is a iteration on the mind numbing clickfest that is the industrial interface at the moment. try starting 90 jobs each day for a week or two and you get a really good feeling of what could be improved in the s&i interface.

Its what 3 clicks and done? I spend most of my time lugging the minerals about and seconds setting up manufacturing/research/invention orders.

Allow me to convey what I am sure our Mittani's sincere and heartfelt apology for failing to please Krixtal Icefluxor, noted for his good judgment and sensible tastes shown by enjoying ice mining. He will certainly readjust his priorities in light of this new information. I, and the community at large, appreciate your input.

CCP sees no need to improve industry since their mid-term goal is to replace the player crafting with ships and items directly in the nex store.

Heh, EVE Online is now run by the null-bears, and they bot their Industry anyhow, so of course there's not going to be any Industry updates...

In fact, if anything, they would nerf Industry, IE more expensive fuel, move ICE out of hi-sec, add more taxes, etc etc to give themselves a bigger edge- oh wait that's exactly what happened....