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Shananigan Black Aces	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:38:00 - [1] So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations. I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members. So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now? Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :)
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:42:00 - [2] I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement. We come for our people
Ssoraszh Tzarszh The Royal Engineers Free Trade and Industries Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:06:00 - [3] You need it anyway to go there, so signing up and being voted in not having one would be not too smart. CCP do two things here, they identify you (not so mutch diffrfent from showing the passport to a hotel for example) and they ensure that the people who are going to be in the council are able to come over for some beers while discussing where the nerfbat will land next time
Korran Minare Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:11:00 - [4] or you can see how much it is to get an expedited passport, not sure how long those take though Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway???? Support Flagships
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:20:00 - [5] Actually, mine expired in October 2007. But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007. I am not 100% sure of that though. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Caligulus Legion of Lost Souls	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:23:00 - [6] Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks. ------------------------------------------------- ** You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Xennith I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement. i'm in europe (uk) and i don't have a passport and i'm sure theres loads that don't have one as well.
Brea Lafail Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Caligulus Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks. If you pay out your ass and have proof of emergency (plane tickets), it's 1-3 days.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Xennith I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. In 2007 74 million US citizens have a passport. Total population of 301 million (July 2007). So about 25% of Americans have a passport. There are perfectly valid reasons for this. The main one being up until recently we were able to travel to Mexico, Canada and much of the Caribbean without a passport. Now we need one for air-travel but not for land travel. A passport is recommended whilst taking a vacation to the Caribbean to ease re-entry into the country. Of course we can still go to our Island possessions without one. And of course we can easily travel 3000 miles without entering another country. Americans didn't really need one for their day to day life, nor even for their vacations. I've got one though. I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement. ____ Black Rabbits Recruitment
Drachtul Tun'Dull Stair Fall	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:58:00 - [10] Last time I tried to get a passport, I found out that somehow I'd paid off my student loans but had still been reported as having defaulted on a government loan. After thousands of dollars in legal and a couple years, I managed to get it straightened out. Got me so ****ed off though, thinking about going through the process still raises my hackles.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.20 14:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Xennith I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. In 2007 74 million US citizens have a passport. Total population of 301 million (July 2007). So about 25% of Americans have a passport. There are perfectly valid reasons for this. The main one being up until recently we were able to travel to Mexico, Canada and much of the Caribbean without a passport. Now we need one for air-travel but not for land travel. A passport is recommended whilst taking a vacation to the Caribbean to ease re-entry into the country. Of course we can still go to our Island possessions without one. And of course we can easily travel 3000 miles without entering another country. Americans didn't really need one for their day to day life, nor even for their vacations. I've got one though. I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement. Im not having a go mate, nor engaging in some "lol yankees" interweb flaming. I understand the reasons that most citizens of the USA dont have a passport (ie. you guys dont need one), simply saying that I can forsee it being a bit of an issue if the ISC program requires one to be up for election. Sorry, just thought your post sounded a little defensive, so I decided to clarify. We come for our people
Knoetje Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 14:12:00 - [12] Want to bet the g00ns will go there to whine about carriers and other things that don't need nerfing but will balance the game towards frigates and their superiourity. The only thing I can think of that needs nerfing is the g00ns. Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland. "Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play." "Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?" Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE? If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.
Knoetje Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 14:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Ridley Tree I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement. As far as I know the only country in Europe that does not require its citizens to have a passport is the UK. It is mandatory to have a passport or ID card in all other European countries, therefor passport (ID Card) posession will not drop or lessen in the EU. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.
DeathAndTaxxes Alliance Tactical Research Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Knoetje Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland. "Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play." "Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?" Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE? If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces. Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council. I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender. It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com.
vile56 RillaCorp	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:56:00 - [15] Originally by: DeathAndTaxxes Originally by: Knoetje Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland. "Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play." "Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?" Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE? If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces. Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council. I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender. It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com. not everyone sits at a desk [Image about internet spaceships removed due to legal action by the Church of Scientology.] support chanology
Rodanine School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:06:00 - [16] its not hard to get a passport in the USA in a short amount of time pay the expedition fee only guarantees 2 weeks however go down to your local congressman's office and tell them you need it sooner then 2 weeks and they can help ya get it in 7 days or less i know i had to do it before. and it didn't cost any more then the normal expedited passport.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:08:00 - [17] My problem with the council isn't necessarily the passport but the getting known by real names idea. My corporation doesn't know, why would I want the whole world to? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Daylen Drazzi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Knoetje Want to bet the g00ns will go there to whine about carriers and other things that don't need nerfing but will balance the game towards frigates and their superiourity. The only thing I can think of that needs nerfing is the g00ns. ... If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces. Ahh yes, yet another internet tough guy - there were plenty of goons at the last EVE fanfest. Maybe you should have gone to meet them then, although Suas probably would have sung you a ballad and turned you to the Goonside like he did Seleene and MC. "Ya see us Goons neva lose, If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares, If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares If'n we run away we always come back later so Goons neva lose ya see?"
Mithfindel Argent Group	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Mithfindel on 20/03/2008 20:44:24 Originally by: Akita T Actually, mine expired in October 2007. But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007. I am not 100% sure of that though. Not sure about Iceland's amount of participation (in the EU), either, but even if they won't necessarily check your passport if you cross the inner borders of the Schengen area as a EU citizen, you'll need one anyway. It is an issue for example on the Finnish Gulf with ferries crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn daily, as many people think that having a driver's licence (which is a valid ID card) with you is enough. No, it isn't. This might again depend a bit on the exact properties of the ID card and I am by no means an expert in traveling, as I've been abroad once in the last five years. (Though a bit more often before that.)
Chuck Skull BBK Corp	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:47:00 - [20] Genius Solution: If you don't have a passport yet, run in the next election. --- Also available in 'sober'
Knoetje Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 23:21:00 - [21] Originally by: DeathAndTaxxes Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council. I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender. It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com. Wow, so everyone's boss is as understanding as yours, has never taken a day off in years and can take off when they want to? Cute. If I could have gone to the fanfest I would have but I had to work. Some people have to work damned hard, maybe your boss works for you but I have to work damned hard. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.03.20 23:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Actually, mine expired in October 2007. But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007. I am not 100% sure of that though. Depends, you wont be flying since that requires a valid passport even inside the Schengen. You could travel by boat tho. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Shananigan So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations. I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members. So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now? Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :) I do not think that the real name or Passport scan provided to CCP is out of line. On the other hand I do think that distinguishing once's online identity to real name (as stated in terms) on public, is a big no-no. Yes, my name is also on the Internet (due to agreement with company marketing), but it is in no way associated with my private alignemnt with different online services, such as EVE-online forum name or character name. And I do wish to keep these separated from each others, since personally I know several ways how to miss-use this information. I would not suggest that anyone would submit their personal information to this "campaing" which states that this information is to be shared with every EVE online user. --- Sell orders Recruitment
Benco97	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:13:00 - [24] I don't remember never having a passport and I've only been abroad twice in my life. Passport is just one of those things I think you should have, you know? Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Turin Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:39:00 - [25] just FYI. If your a US citizen anyways. I just applied for a passport 2 weeks ago as my old one had expired. THey say 6-8 weeks. I had my new one in like 10 days. So, they are getting them out VERY fast atm. _________________________________
cal nereus	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:03:00 - [26] Edited by: cal nereus on 21/03/2008 01:04:41 Each term is 6 months. We have re-elections every half a year... don't worry. Start getting a passport now and you'll be ready for the next election. Edit: Although I don't know how long it takes to get a passport... I've had one since I was a toddler, been renewing it regularly ever since. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Nova Fox The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:12:00 - [27] Edited by: Nova Fox on 21/03/2008 01:13:24 More and more US employers are encouraging folks to obtain pernament passports. I for one have one but alas its not pernament and its only good for hong kong for 3 weeks, this tooke 6 months of trying to find out if I was ever born in the first place according to paper (being born abroad presents new hassels in obtaining a new birth certificate I had to hand write a letter to the department of state proclaiming my situation) and no dont nomiate me... CCP would have to buy my next three years from my current employer, sucks to be a contractable asset. How to make feel low sec feel like low sec
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26 You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended. The council need visionaries, not reactionaries. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Ridley Tree	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 21/03/2008 01:41:27 Originally by: Xennith Sorry, just thought your post sounded a little defensive, so I decided to clarify. Not defensive at all, I wasn't sure what the number was so I went and found out. Figured I'd report that its 75%, not 50%. The explanation is offered because I have an intense distaste for numbers presented without some sort of perspective. Originally by: cal nereus Edit: Although I don't know how long it takes to get a passport... I've had one since I was a toddler, been renewing it regularly ever since. Recent turn around has been less than a month. My two brothers needed to get one for a wedding held abroad and they showed up within two weeks after requesting. Apparently our government can get some things done in a timely manner. ____ Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Black Rabbits Recruitment
Knoetje	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26 You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended. The council need visionaries, not reactionaries. And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.

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