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Shananigan
Black Aces
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:38:00 -
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So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations.
I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members.
So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now?
Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :)
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:42:00 -
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I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
The Royal Engineers
Free Trade and Industries Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:06:00 -
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You need it anyway to go there, so signing up and being voted in not having one would be not too smart. CCP do two things here, they identify you (not so mutch diffrfent from showing the passport to a hotel for example) and they ensure that the people who are going to be in the council are able to come over for some beers while discussing where the nerfbat will land next time 
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Korran Minare
Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:11:00 -
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or you can see how much it is to get an expedited passport, not sure how long those take though
 Originally by: Korran Minare
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:20:00 -
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Actually, mine expired in October 2007.
But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007.
I am not 100% sure of that though.
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Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:23:00 -
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Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks.
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement.
i'm in europe (uk) and i don't have a passport and i'm sure theres loads that don't have one as well.
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Brea Lafail
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Caligulus
Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks.
If you pay out your ass and have proof of emergency (plane tickets), it's 1-3 days.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
In 2007 74 million US citizens have a passport. Total population of 301 million (July 2007). So about 25% of Americans have a passport. There are perfectly valid reasons for this. The main one being up until recently we were able to travel to Mexico, Canada and much of the Caribbean without a passport. Now we need one for air-travel but not for land travel. A passport is recommended whilst taking a vacation to the Caribbean to ease re-entry into the country. Of course we can still go to our Island possessions without one. And of course we can easily travel 3000 miles without entering another country. Americans didn't really need one for their day to day life, nor even for their vacations.
I've got one though.
I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement.
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:58:00 -
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Last time I tried to get a passport, I found out that somehow I'd paid off my student loans but had still been reported as having defaulted on a government loan. After thousands of dollars in legal and a couple years, I managed to get it straightened out. Got me so ****ed off though, thinking about going through the process still raises my hackles.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Originally by: Xennith
I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
In 2007 74 million US citizens have a passport. Total population of 301 million (July 2007). So about 25% of Americans have a passport. There are perfectly valid reasons for this. The main one being up until recently we were able to travel to Mexico, Canada and much of the Caribbean without a passport. Now we need one for air-travel but not for land travel. A passport is recommended whilst taking a vacation to the Caribbean to ease re-entry into the country. Of course we can still go to our Island possessions without one. And of course we can easily travel 3000 miles without entering another country. Americans didn't really need one for their day to day life, nor even for their vacations.
I've got one though.
I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement.
Im not having a go mate, nor engaging in some "lol yankees" interweb flaming. I understand the reasons that most citizens of the USA dont have a passport (ie. you guys dont need one), simply saying that I can forsee it being a bit of an issue if the ISC program requires one to be up for election.
Sorry, just thought your post sounded a little defensive, so I decided to clarify.
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Knoetje
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:12:00 -
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Want to bet the g00ns will go there to whine about carriers and other things that don't need nerfing but will balance the game towards frigates and their superiourity. The only thing I can think of that needs nerfing is the g00ns.
Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland.
"Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play."
"Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?"
Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE?
If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces.
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Knoetje
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
I also expect to see a decline in European possession of passports now that the EU makes border crossings an absolute joke and a passport is not a requirement.
As far as I know the only country in Europe that does not require its citizens to have a passport is the UK. It is mandatory to have a passport or ID card in all other European countries, therefor passport (ID Card) posession will not drop or lessen in the EU.
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DeathAndTaxxes
Alliance Tactical Research Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Knoetje
Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland.
"Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play."
"Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?"
Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE?
If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces.
Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council.
I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender.
It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com.
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vile56
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2008.03.20 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: DeathAndTaxxes
Originally by: Knoetje
Apart from that I think it's stupid that they demand that you HAVE to go to Iceland.
"Boss, I need to go to Iceland to talk to CCP about the game I play."
"Sure, how much time do you need? Three days? Why don't you take a permanent holiday?"
Genius? Some form of twisted humour? Or are CCP assuming everyone lives EvE?
If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces.
Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council.
I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender.
It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com.
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Rodanine
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:06:00 -
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its not hard to get a passport in the USA in a short amount of time pay the expedition fee only guarantees 2 weeks however go down to your local congressman's office and tell them you need it sooner then 2 weeks and they can help ya get it in 7 days or less i know i had to do it before. and it didn't cost any more then the normal expedited passport.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:08:00 -
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My problem with the council isn't necessarily the passport but the getting known by real names idea. My corporation doesn't know, why would I want the whole world to?
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Daylen Drazzi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Knoetje
Want to bet the g00ns will go there to whine about carriers and other things that don't need nerfing but will balance the game towards frigates and their superiourity. The only thing I can think of that needs nerfing is the g00ns.
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If CCP are willing to compensate me for my time there and the fact that my boss will, probably, fire me I am more than willing to go to Iceland so that the soles of my shoes can meet a few g00nie faces.
Ahh yes, yet another internet tough guy - there were plenty of goons at the last EVE fanfest. Maybe you should have gone to meet them then, although Suas probably would have sung you a ballad and turned you to the Goonside like he did Seleene and MC.
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Mithfindel
Argent Group
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 20/03/2008 20:44:24
Originally by: Akita T
Actually, mine expired in October 2007.
But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007.
I am not 100% sure of that though.
Not sure about Iceland's amount of participation (in the EU), either, but even if they won't necessarily check your passport if you cross the inner borders of the Schengen area as a EU citizen, you'll need one anyway. It is an issue for example on the Finnish Gulf with ferries crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn daily, as many people think that having a driver's licence (which is a valid ID card) with you is enough. No, it isn't. This might again depend a bit on the exact properties of the ID card and I am by no means an expert in traveling, as I've been abroad once in the last five years. (Though a bit more often before that.)
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Chuck Skull
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:47:00 -
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Genius Solution: If you don't have a passport yet, run in the next election.
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Knoetje
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: DeathAndTaxxes
Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council.
I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender.
It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com.
Wow, so everyone's boss is as understanding as yours, has never taken a day off in years and can take off when they want to? Cute.
If I could have gone to the fanfest I would have but I had to work. Some people have to work damned hard, maybe your boss works for you but I have to work damned hard.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.20 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Actually, mine expired in October 2007.
But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007.
I am not 100% sure of that though.
Depends, you wont be flying since that requires a valid passport even inside the Schengen. You could travel by boat tho.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shananigan
So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations.
I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members.
So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now?
Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :)
I do not think that the real name or Passport scan provided to CCP is out of line. On the other hand I do think that distinguishing once's online identity to real name (as stated in terms) on public, is a big no-no.
Yes, my name is also on the Internet (due to agreement with company marketing), but it is in no way associated with my private alignemnt with different online services, such as EVE-online forum name or character name. And I do wish to keep these separated from each others, since personally I know several ways how to miss-use this information.
I would not suggest that anyone would submit their personal information to this "campaing" which states that this information is to be shared with every EVE online user.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 00:13:00 -
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I don't remember never having a passport and I've only been abroad twice in my life.
Passport is just one of those things I think you should have, you know?
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Turin
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.21 00:39:00 -
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just FYI. If your a US citizen anyways. I just applied for a passport 2 weeks ago as my old one had expired. THey say 6-8 weeks. I had my new one in like 10 days. So, they are getting them out VERY fast atm.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 21/03/2008 01:04:41
Each term is 6 months. We have re-elections every half a year... don't worry. Start getting a passport now and you'll be ready for the next election.
Edit: Although I don't know how long it takes to get a passport... I've had one since I was a toddler, been renewing it regularly ever since.
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Nova Fox
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 21/03/2008 01:13:24
More and more US employers are encouraging folks to obtain pernament passports. I for one have one but alas its not pernament and its only good for hong kong for 3 weeks, this tooke 6 months of trying to find out if I was ever born in the first place according to paper (being born abroad presents new hassels in obtaining a new birth certificate I had to hand write a letter to the department of state proclaiming my situation)
and no dont nomiate me... CCP would have to buy my next three years from my current employer, sucks to be a contractable asset.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26
You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended. 
The council need visionaries, not reactionaries.
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Ridley Tree
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 21/03/2008 01:41:27
Originally by: Xennith
Sorry, just thought your post sounded a little defensive, so I decided to clarify.
Not defensive at all, I wasn't sure what the number was so I went and found out. Figured I'd report that its 75%, not 50%. The explanation is offered because I have an intense distaste for numbers presented without some sort of perspective.
Originally by: cal nereus
Edit: Although I don't know how long it takes to get a passport... I've had one since I was a toddler, been renewing it regularly ever since.
Recent turn around has been less than a month. My two brothers needed to get one for a wedding held abroad and they showed up within two weeks after requesting. Apparently our government can get some things done in a timely manner.
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Knoetje
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26
You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended.
The council need visionaries, not reactionaries.
And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws.
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Kuranta
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:56:00 -
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If you are not required to have a passport where ever you live, you allways had the chance to get one for that one occassion when you need one quick. That one occassion that would never occure when you had one  .
Luck prefers the prepared one.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.21 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Knoetje
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26
You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended.
The council need visionaries, not reactionaries.
And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws.
You're also free to not apply, it's not like a seat is included in the subscription fee.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Knoetje
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.21 02:31:00 -
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Very true, don't have to be on the council. The only people who will apply to be on the council are people who are regular fanfest attendees.
Also CCP need to associate the council members with their ingame character so they can be held accountable. In the real world our elected members of parliaments can be held 'accountable' by enormous amounts of complaint letters, spam, etc. These people should be held accountable by the EvE community so that we know that not half of them are g00nies simply because they were able to get 20k votes because they all filled their character slots with fake characters just to vote for themselves. I singled out g00ns because they are likely to do this as they have a habit of ruining everyones lives and because they g00n is the largest alliance in the game.
After all when we get to vote for these 'council members' do we vote for them via their real names of in-game names? This is an idea that has not been thought out well enough and the way it is being proposed is a joke. Who do you know it is you've voted for if they use in-game names for voting and then real names for advice?
Looks good on paper, a farce in practice.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.21 03:27:00 -
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In Europe the primary form of ID is a passport.
In America the primary form of ID is a drivers license.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.21 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 21/03/2008 03:29:51
Originally by: Shananigan
So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations.
I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members.
So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now?
Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :)
Ofcource its not silly! A game company have lots of influence on their product, like EVE online, but when it comes to real life world, they have to abide by rules and regulations set by the nations. Some of these rules including use of passport for international travels.
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Actually, mine expired in October 2007.
But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007.
I am not 100% sure of that though.
Romania is estimated to become a Schengen country in 2011. At least according to the relevant wiki page: Linkage
If Romania and Bulgaria were both Schengen countries then Greece would be finally connected to the Schengen zone via land.
As you can see on the map the UK managed once more to have certain privileges maintained despite their current membership. Why am I not surprised. They still use the old imperial system too. And drive on the left. OMG, how can you drive on the left Ofc I'm just teasing you here. 
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Shananigan
Black Aces
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Posted - 2008.03.21 06:58:00 -
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Well for most of you who prolly figured it out I'm in the US where it takes a rediculouse amount of time to get a passport, I do have state ID to prove my identity. Expiditing passports costs alot of money and you have to have proof of an emergency in order to get one expidited typically. Last I checked where I live it takes about 2-3 weeks for non emergency expidite and about 3-5 days for emergencies. Since this wouldnt be considered an emergency I would not be able to get a passport on time for the elections, but I could easily get one for june when they have council members go to iceland. My state ID should be proof enough for my identity but since CCP is a Europe based company they dont take into account us Americans.
I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kyanzes on 21/03/2008 07:53:57
Originally by: Shananigan
Well for most of you who prolly figured it out I'm in the US where it takes a rediculouse amount of time to get a passport, I do have state ID to prove my identity. Expiditing passports costs alot of money and you have to have proof of an emergency in order to get one expidited typically. Last I checked where I live it takes about 2-3 weeks for non emergency expidite and about 3-5 days for emergencies. Since this wouldnt be considered an emergency I would not be able to get a passport on time for the elections, but I could easily get one for june when they have council members go to iceland. My state ID should be proof enough for my identity but since CCP is a Europe based company they dont take into account us Americans.
I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule.
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Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.21 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement.
I cant speak for the rest of Europe but i know that in the Netherlands you get and ID card and unless you want to leave Europe or fly on an airplane you have no need for a passport. Getting one takes two to four weeks.
On the bright side, i read in the CSM file theres gonna be council elections every ### months for a new council so you can just wait for the next one?
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Posted - 2008.03.21 08:12:00 -
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My US passport expired back in '03 and because I have a Canadian birth certificate it is total hell trying to get a state drivers license (just moved).
I think they recently changed the prices on the passports though. Cheaper and faster I believe, but it still takes awhile and expediting a passport takes buku cash.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shananigan
I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule.
Just like THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!
Seriously, stop whining, read the CSM description one more time, get a passport AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION! There's is NO NEED whatsoever to be on the first council, as things will most likely get even better as time goes on and CCP gets a better idea on what they want to do with it/us/them...
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Posted - 2008.03.21 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Knoetje
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26
You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended.
The council need visionaries, not reactionaries.
And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws.
What in the name of EVEs hamster population do EU privacy laws have to do with this issue? Seriously. What.
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Knoetje
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.21 09:01:00 -
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This has nothing to do with passports. This has to do with logic.
Do candidates campaign with their real names or their in-game names? If with their real names then how do you know who you are voting for? There're more players in the game than the people you know.
Do you campaign with your in-game name? If so then why the hell do CCP want to start using your real name when it comes to the council? How do you know the people that were voted for ended up on the council?
Or do you campaign with your real name associated with your character name? I'm sure if most players wanted that they'd call their characters by their real names and have their addresses in their bio.
CCP can claim all they want but claims have been made before. Need I bring up certain events in the past?
Then you have to go to Iceland to meet the people who are going to decide which part of the game they're going to nerf? That makes me laugh.
This is a moral and legal problem because those who don't want their real identities to be revealed are excluded from the process and they wull not have the ability to be part of the council. Then there're all the people who have to work and who can't get their boss to give them a few days off and they are also being excluded.
On top of all of this CCP want to have a copy of council members passports on what grounds do CCP base these requirements? Because they want to and that those who don't want to reveal any more data than their credit card details are excluded?
I suggest CCP review this process before complaints are made to Brussels and if you don't understand why this would have anything to do with Brussels or the EU then I suggest you look into EU privacy laws.
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Florio
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.21 09:37:00 -
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Heheh, damn guys take it as a wake-up call: get a passport asap and join the global community. Even if you don't end up travelling it will help you meet SEC or FSA etc requirements if you ever do anything vaguely financial.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mithfindel
Not sure about Iceland's amount of participation (in the EU), either, but even if they won't necessarily check your passport if you cross the inner borders of the Schengen area as a EU citizen, you'll need one anyway. It is an issue for example on the Finnish Gulf with ferries crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn daily, as many people think that having a driver's licence (which is a valid ID card) with you is enough. No, it isn't. This might again depend a bit on the exact properties of the ID card and I am by no means an expert in traveling, as I've been abroad once in the last five years. (Though a bit more often before that.)
Yes it depends on the ID card, it needs to have a electronically readable chip and a few other things (like information about citizenships, something that the drivers license don't have). In Sweden the only ID card that meets the requirements are the National ID-Card issued by the police.
If you already have a valid ID card (like a drivers license) it will take less than a week to get a National ID-Card, which is about the same time it takes to get a passport in Sweden.
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Lydia Brightlance
Blue Sky Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:38:00 -
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Just to clear things up:
1. Iceland is NOT a member of the EU and thus not subject to EU privacy laws. Iceland is only part of the EFTA.
2. No privacy laws will be broken if all conditions and consequences are clearly explained before one applies. Everyone who signs up for the council will know exactly what will be done with their personal information.
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banannagirl
The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world.
Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement.
NOT only do they have one but they use them all to frequently - I havent had a holiday for over 22 YEARS from my country and sat on a beach or such for two weeks.
TRUE ^
Thats because all the numbheads are living my life and we victims are like an underclass etc etc. Iceland is hardly the place to sit on the beach however so i will giving the council trip a miss.
As for having to show CCP my passport - LMAO - That sounds like in the film Hostel or such. NEVER TRAVELLERS give out your damn passport to ANYONE ANYWHERE at any time - NOT EVEN THE POLICE ... No one can demand to HOLD your passport.. its against the law.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Caligulus
Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks.
If you pay out your ass and have proof of emergency (plane tickets), it's 1-3 days.
And if you really pay out your ass (and have connections V trained) one can get one within the hour ... with ones picture and someone else's name on it ...
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Mozqito
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:29:00 -
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FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IF YOU CAN'T DO IT - FOR WHATEVER REASON - DON'T DO IT. SIMPLE.
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CrayC
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl
As for having to show CCP my passport - LMAO - That sounds like in the film Hostel or such. NEVER TRAVELLERS give out your damn passport to ANYONE ANYWHERE at any time - NOT EVEN THE POLICE ... No one can demand to HOLD your passport.. its against the law.
And where did you get the idea that you were supposed to hand the passport itself to somebody at CCP? They want a SCAN of your passport, not the pieces of paper it consists of...
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Shevar
A.W.M
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shananigan
So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations.
I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members.
So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now?
Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :)
I can think of 2 reasons why CCP would do this;
-To make sure the person is above a certain age.
-To make sure someone doesn't enter himself multiple times to increase his chances of getting elected.
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Azirapheal
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: vile56
Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council.
I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender.
It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com.
i suppose im fortunate, being of norwegian and british dual nationality and carrying a uk passport (since for some reason i was interrogated as a possible terrorist last time i visited the USA under a norwegian passport)
regarding jobs most countries have statutory time off allowed and im fortunate because my job kicks that much arse, it frequently allows me to pursue other activities, such as poker cruises (im booked on 2 this summer) and next year (09) im representing my company in vegas for the WSOP.
just bragging and trying to make people envious tbh. im not applying for the council because to be honest, its a game.
i personally think we are very fortunate to have a company like ccp running this, and their willingness to actually create a player council earns them many more cookies than any other games company could ever hope for.
i wish all of those running the best of luck.
Az
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