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Kuranta Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:56:00 - [31] If you are not required to have a passport where ever you live, you allways had the chance to get one for that one occassion when you need one quick. That one occassion that would never occure when you had one . Luck prefers the prepared one.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.03.21 02:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Knoetje Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26 You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended. The council need visionaries, not reactionaries. And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws. You're also free to not apply, it's not like a seat is included in the subscription fee. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Knoetje Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 02:31:00 - [33] Very true, don't have to be on the council. The only people who will apply to be on the council are people who are regular fanfest attendees. Also CCP need to associate the council members with their ingame character so they can be held accountable. In the real world our elected members of parliaments can be held 'accountable' by enormous amounts of complaint letters, spam, etc. These people should be held accountable by the EvE community so that we know that not half of them are g00nies simply because they were able to get 20k votes because they all filled their character slots with fake characters just to vote for themselves. I singled out g00ns because they are likely to do this as they have a habit of ruining everyones lives and because they g00n is the largest alliance in the game. After all when we get to vote for these 'council members' do we vote for them via their real names of in-game names? This is an idea that has not been thought out well enough and the way it is being proposed is a joke. Who do you know it is you've voted for if they use in-game names for voting and then real names for advice? Looks good on paper, a farce in practice. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.21 03:27:00 - [34] In Europe the primary form of ID is a passport. In America the primary form of ID is a drivers license.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.03.21 03:29:00 - [35] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 21/03/2008 03:29:51 Originally by: Shananigan So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations. I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members. So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now? Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :) Ofcource its not silly! A game company have lots of influence on their product, like EVE online, but when it comes to real life world, they have to abide by rules and regulations set by the nations. Some of these rules including use of passport for international travels. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.21 04:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T Actually, mine expired in October 2007. But, technically, I believe I could travel to Iceland with my Romanian Identity Card, because AFAIK Iceland is part of the Schengen Agreement already, and Romania is too since January 2007. I am not 100% sure of that though. Romania is estimated to become a Schengen country in 2011. At least according to the relevant wiki page: Linkage If Romania and Bulgaria were both Schengen countries then Greece would be finally connected to the Schengen zone via land. As you can see on the map the UK managed once more to have certain privileges maintained despite their current membership. Why am I not surprised. They still use the old imperial system too. And drive on the left. OMG, how can you drive on the left Ofc I'm just teasing you here. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Shananigan Black Aces	Posted - 2008.03.21 06:58:00 - [37] Well for most of you who prolly figured it out I'm in the US where it takes a rediculouse amount of time to get a passport, I do have state ID to prove my identity. Expiditing passports costs alot of money and you have to have proof of an emergency in order to get one expidited typically. Last I checked where I live it takes about 2-3 weeks for non emergency expidite and about 3-5 days for emergencies. Since this wouldnt be considered an emergency I would not be able to get a passport on time for the elections, but I could easily get one for june when they have council members go to iceland. My state ID should be proof enough for my identity but since CCP is a Europe based company they dont take into account us Americans. I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule.
Kyanzes	Posted - 2008.03.21 07:54:00 - [38] Edited by: Kyanzes on 21/03/2008 07:53:57 Originally by: Shananigan Well for most of you who prolly figured it out I'm in the US where it takes a rediculouse amount of time to get a passport, I do have state ID to prove my identity. Expiditing passports costs alot of money and you have to have proof of an emergency in order to get one expidited typically. Last I checked where I live it takes about 2-3 weeks for non emergency expidite and about 3-5 days for emergencies. Since this wouldnt be considered an emergency I would not be able to get a passport on time for the elections, but I could easily get one for june when they have council members go to iceland. My state ID should be proof enough for my identity but since CCP is a Europe based company they dont take into account us Americans. I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule. Yes, my Master!!! I'll follow you to the Dark Side! I can finally have my revenge I remember the hundreds of promotional offers and contests I have came across since the Internet came to be available ONLY to citizens of the US and CANADA My ill wishes finally found their way to you. Revenge is sweet! --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.21 07:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Xennith I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement. I cant speak for the rest of Europe but i know that in the Netherlands you get and ID card and unless you want to leave Europe or fly on an airplane you have no need for a passport. Getting one takes two to four weeks. On the bright side, i read in the CSM file theres gonna be council elections every ### months for a new council so you can just wait for the next one? -----
Spenz	Posted - 2008.03.21 08:12:00 - [40] My US passport expired back in '03 and because I have a Canadian birth certificate it is total hell trying to get a state drivers license (just moved). I think they recently changed the prices on the passports though. Cheaper and faster I believe, but it still takes awhile and expediting a passport takes buku cash. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
CrayC	Posted - 2008.03.21 08:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Shananigan I just think it sucks because most American players are basicly SOL from becoming a council because of this rule. Just like THE REST OF THE WORLD!!! Seriously, stop whining, read the CSM description one more time, get a passport AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION! There's is NO NEED whatsoever to be on the first council, as things will most likely get even better as time goes on and CCP gets a better idea on what they want to do with it/us/them...
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2008.03.21 08:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Knoetje Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/03/2008 01:25:26 You not thinking ahead and already having a passport at this time disqualifies you from entering, it's working as intended. The council need visionaries, not reactionaries. And it's reactionaries who will sue CCP for violation of EU privacy laws. What in the name of EVEs hamster population do EU privacy laws have to do with this issue? Seriously. What.
Knoetje Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 09:01:00 - [43] This has nothing to do with passports. This has to do with logic. Do candidates campaign with their real names or their in-game names? If with their real names then how do you know who you are voting for? There're more players in the game than the people you know. Do you campaign with your in-game name? If so then why the hell do CCP want to start using your real name when it comes to the council? How do you know the people that were voted for ended up on the council? Or do you campaign with your real name associated with your character name? I'm sure if most players wanted that they'd call their characters by their real names and have their addresses in their bio. CCP can claim all they want but claims have been made before. Need I bring up certain events in the past? Then you have to go to Iceland to meet the people who are going to decide which part of the game they're going to nerf? That makes me laugh. This is a moral and legal problem because those who don't want their real identities to be revealed are excluded from the process and they wull not have the ability to be part of the council. Then there're all the people who have to work and who can't get their boss to give them a few days off and they are also being excluded. On top of all of this CCP want to have a copy of council members passports on what grounds do CCP base these requirements? Because they want to and that those who don't want to reveal any more data than their credit card details are excluded? I suggest CCP review this process before complaints are made to Brussels and if you don't understand why this would have anything to do with Brussels or the EU then I suggest you look into EU privacy laws. I'm a Goon Titan alt, don't tell anyone.
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.21 09:37:00 - [44] Heheh, damn guys take it as a wake-up call: get a passport asap and join the global community. Even if you don't end up travelling it will help you meet SEC or FSA etc requirements if you ever do anything vaguely financial.
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2008.03.21 10:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Mithfindel Not sure about Iceland's amount of participation (in the EU), either, but even if they won't necessarily check your passport if you cross the inner borders of the Schengen area as a EU citizen, you'll need one anyway. It is an issue for example on the Finnish Gulf with ferries crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn daily, as many people think that having a driver's licence (which is a valid ID card) with you is enough. No, it isn't. This might again depend a bit on the exact properties of the ID card and I am by no means an expert in traveling, as I've been abroad once in the last five years. (Though a bit more often before that.) Yes it depends on the ID card, it needs to have a electronically readable chip and a few other things (like information about citizenships, something that the drivers license don't have). In Sweden the only ID card that meets the requirements are the National ID-Card issued by the police. If you already have a valid ID card (like a drivers license) it will take less than a week to get a National ID-Card, which is about the same time it takes to get a passport in Sweden. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Lydia Brightlance Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2008.03.21 10:38:00 - [46] Just to clear things up: 1. Iceland is NOT a member of the EU and thus not subject to EU privacy laws. Iceland is only part of the EFTA. 2. No privacy laws will be broken if all conditions and consequences are clearly explained before one applies. Everyone who signs up for the council will know exactly what will be done with their personal information.
banannagirl The U-B-H-C	Posted - 2008.03.21 10:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Xennith I read a statistic that over 50% of US Americans (and such) do not have a passport, which I imagine could be an issue. However, nearly everybody in Europe has one, and I would imagine that the same is true in various other parts of the world. Perhaps badly thought out, but you can see the reasoning for the requirement. NOT only do they have one but they use them all to frequently - I havent had a holiday for over 22 YEARS from my country and sat on a beach or such for two weeks. TRUE ^ Thats because all the numbheads are living my life and we victims are like an underclass etc etc. Iceland is hardly the place to sit on the beach however so i will giving the council trip a miss. As for having to show CCP my passport - LMAO - That sounds like in the film Hostel or such. NEVER TRAVELLERS give out your damn passport to ANYONE ANYWHERE at any time - NOT EVEN THE POLICE ... No one can demand to HOLD your passport.. its against the law. regards BG Link removed, advertising services for real world money is not allowed on the forums - Wrangler
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.21 11:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Caligulus Not sure where you're at Shan but it is a 2 month standard wait in Canada. If you get it expedited it takes 2 weeks. If you pay out your ass and have proof of emergency (plane tickets), it's 1-3 days. And if you really pay out your ass (and have connections V trained) one can get one within the hour ... with ones picture and someone else's name on it ... --
Mozqito Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 11:29:00 - [49] FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IF YOU CAN'T DO IT - FOR WHATEVER REASON - DON'T DO IT. SIMPLE.
CrayC CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.21 11:45:00 - [50] Originally by: banannagirl As for having to show CCP my passport - LMAO - That sounds like in the film Hostel or such. NEVER TRAVELLERS give out your damn passport to ANYONE ANYWHERE at any time - NOT EVEN THE POLICE ... No one can demand to HOLD your passport.. its against the law. And where did you get the idea that you were supposed to hand the passport itself to somebody at CCP? They want a SCAN of your passport, not the pieces of paper it consists of...
Shevar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.03.21 11:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Shananigan So I understand the whole bit about CCP wanting to make sure that people can actually go to iceland, but my problem with the needing a passport is that you have what less than 2 weeks to have one for the closing of the nominations. I dont know about most of you out there but where I'm at it takes up to 2 months just to get your passport. So I'm sitting her really wanting to at least try to join there little council of players, but cant because even if I went right now to get a passport I wouldn't be able to have it and show it to CCP saying see this is me, until after they have elected the members. So am I the only one thinking it is kind of silly ,when I would have a much easier time and alot more time running for council then getting a passport depending on wether I make it and still being able to go to iceland what 4 months from now? Alright there is my rant now everyone flame me :) I can think of 2 reasons why CCP would do this; -To make sure the person is above a certain age. -To make sure someone doesn't enter himself multiple times to increase his chances of getting elected. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Azirapheal The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.21 11:52:00 - [52] Originally by: vile56 Well there is the other option. Don't be part of the council. I have no plans to be part of council but if I did my convo w/ Boss would be something more like. BTW I am taking of 3 days in (enter month here). I marked it on the calender. It is this strange concept called "paid time off". If your employer gives you no personal or vacation time it is CCP problem? Generally speaking if your job offers no time off paid or unpaid then you have bigger problems. Might want to check monster.com. i suppose im fortunate, being of norwegian and british dual nationality and carrying a uk passport (since for some reason i was interrogated as a possible terrorist last time i visited the USA under a norwegian passport) regarding jobs most countries have statutory time off allowed and im fortunate because my job kicks that much arse, it frequently allows me to pursue other activities, such as poker cruises (im booked on 2 this summer) and next year (09) im representing my company in vegas for the WSOP. just bragging and trying to make people envious tbh. im not applying for the council because to be honest, its a game. i personally think we are very fortunate to have a company like ccp running this, and their willingness to actually create a player council earns them many more cookies than any other games company could ever hope for. i wish all of those running the best of luck. Az not everyone sits at a desk

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