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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:56:00 -
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And upgrade the security status of all 0.1-0.4 system by 0.1 point. Thus making more highsec for the increasing amount of empire bears and increasing the amount of low-sec by increasing sec rating of NPC controlled 0.0.
Syndicate is a good example - it's a joke. there is a lot of good agents and mining opportunities that aren't utilised because it's 0.0. Opening these systems up would draw more people out of hi-sec and into low-sec.
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.5 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
Remove bounties in 0.5-1.0 systems. Let's face it. Why should Concord pay us to do it when they are there all the time in uber ships. It just lame.
Thx to Martin
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Mostly Amazing
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:03:00 -
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I got a better idea. How about we turn all low sec into 0.0 and all high sec into low sec and all the bears that dont like it can go play an MMO where they are safe 
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Zhett Haukes
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I got a better idea. How about we turn all low sec into 0.0 and all high sec into low sec and all the bears that dont like it can go play an MMO where they are safe
I prefer this idea.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zhett Haukes
There is enough empire already
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Druadan
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:11:00 -
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Nice try OP but if we need more of anything it's 0.0
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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Atkinson on 22/03/2008 09:14:42
Before you call me a bear: Linkage
0.0 doesn't need to be bigger. There so bloody many empty systems out there anyway. Syndicate is big enough to replace 0.4 systems lost to hi-sec and with the other 0.0 NPC controlled areas the low-sec part of EVE will be larger than before.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/03/2008 09:31:37
I have a MUCH better idea.
Allow "free" attacks on anybody who has a negative security rating, regardless of system security status.
And by "free", I mean no secrating penality and no CONCORD response.
Yes, even if it's just -0.01
Heck, grant an INCREASE in secrating whenever you destroy him.
Magnitude of secrating increase determined depending on "how negative" his secrating is.
Also, relax the "system auto-response" to negative secrating pilots.
That is, allow all -10.0 pilots in 0.5, -8.0 in 0.6, -6.0 in 0.7, -4.0 in 0.8, -2.0 in 0.9, and only 1.0 limited to "strictly positive only".
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Druadan on 22/03/2008 09:30:38
0.0 is getting busy quick. 18 months ago you could easily go in excess of 20 jumps without seeing a soul. Nowadays you're lucky if you manage 5 in the most sparsely populated regions. Replacing NPC 0.0 with lowsec will further that. Lowsec is useless at the moment - nothing but other pirate groups and fleets of courier-mission macroers. Before we replace large swathes of 0.0 with lowsec, we should at least fix lowsec.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 22/03/2008 09:27:24
I have a MUCH better idea.
Allow "free" attacks on anybody who has a negative security rating, regardless of system security status.
Yes, even if it's just -0.01
And by "free", I mean no secrating penality and no CONCORD response.
I disagree.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
I disagree.
I like pie. I like because it's tasty and sweet. I like sweet. I like tasty. It's good for me.
Why do you disagree ?
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:47:00 -
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Empire has such a large share of the population due to a design fault in the game.
While many harp that there is no one in 0.0, there is a good reason, there isn't the infrastructure in 0.0 to sustain even a moderate level of population. CCPs idea was that players would provide this but it really isn't realistic. To open O.0 fully up your going to have to see a massive expansion of Stations, research and manufacturing slots. Without them 0.0 will never be able to support a larger population.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I got a better idea. How about we turn all low sec into 0.0 and all high sec into low sec and all the bears that dont like it can go play an MMO where they are safe
And you will pay 200Ç a month when the rest leaves?
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Empire has such a large share of the population due to a design fault in the game.
While many harp that there is no one in 0.0, there is a good reason, there isn't the infrastructure in 0.0 to sustain even a moderate level of population. CCPs idea was that players would provide this but it really isn't realistic. To open O.0 fully up your going to have to see a massive expansion of Stations, research and manufacturing slots. Without them 0.0 will never be able to support a larger population.
Design fault yes. But i think the main issue is the access routes to low sec and 0.0. Its simply small choke points all around. They should have made it more like a star formation with ALOT of entries to lowsec and 0.0. Then more people would venture there. Its just not appealing for many people to have to cross gatecampers everywhere.
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Its simply small choke points all around. They should have made it more like a star formation with ALOT of entries to lowsec and 0.0. Then more people would venture there. Its just not appealing for many people to have to cross gatecampers everywhere.
Half the 0.0 chokepoints arent even camped these days, that excuse hasnt been valid for a long time.
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Abrazzar
Equilibrium Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:14:00 -
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Overcrowded, yeah, right. I am currently in a empire system, Domain, 5 jumps from Amarr. This system has a ice belt and two stations. There are no more than 10 people at any time in there, most of the time there are 5 or less, me included.
It's only overcrowded because stupidity coagulates.
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Thuraya Salairs
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I got a better idea. How about we turn all low sec into 0.0 and all high sec into low sec and all the bears that don't like it can go play an MMO where they are safe
yeah you watch the economy when that happens and tell me it was a good idea then.... seriously people with this attitude don't understand the nature of the game past pew pew and there fore should have no say in topics such as this.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Atkinson on 22/03/2008 11:45:54
Originally by: Thuraya Salairs
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I got a better idea. How about we turn all low sec into 0.0 and all high sec into low sec and all the bears that don't like it can go play an MMO where they are safe
yeah you watch the economy when that happens and tell me it was a good idea then.... seriously people with this attitude don't understand the nature of the game past pew pew and there fore should have no say in topics such as this.
Good reply. This also basically sums up my disagreement with Akita T's views.
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Eneela M
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:37:00 -
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if i understand what you are saying correctly there will be less npc 0.0 areas. That totally sucks! NPC 0.0 forms important areas for small groups or individuals to operate out of who want to opt out of alliance culture.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Atkinson on 22/03/2008 11:45:11
Originally by: Eneela M
if i understand what you are saying correctly there will be less npc 0.0 areas. That totally sucks! NPC 0.0 forms important areas for small groups or individuals to operate out of who want to opt out of alliance culture.
Does it? What they want anyway is to do missionrunning or ratting. So do it in NPC controlled low-sec. More people would. Also solo players. Basically it would still be a hazardous environment. This could be a part of the FACTIONAL WARFARE thingy too. with powerful, non-government factions taking over space for themselves and implementing defences (i.e. gateguns etc.).
Moving the previous 0.4 systems up to 0.5 in the outskirts of the hi-sec empires would also spread people out and reduce the congestion in central hubs.
Furthermore this question hasn't been answered yet: Remove bounties in 0.5-1.0 systems. Let's face it. Why should Concord pay us to do it when they are there all the time in uber ships. It just lame.???
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:47:00 -
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NPC 0.0 is easier to live in than low-sec to be honest... then again, I guess I'm biased because I lived in NPC 0.0 for a while. 
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Laila Eldgorn
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
And upgrade the security status of all 0.1-0.4 system by 0.1 point. Thus making more highsec for the increasing amount of empire bears and increasing the amount of low-sec by increasing sec rating of NPC controlled 0.0.
Syndicate is a good example - it's a joke. there is a lot of good agents and mining opportunities that aren't utilised because it's 0.0. Opening these systems up would draw more people out of hi-sec and into low-sec.
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.5 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
Remove bounties in 0.5-1.0 systems. Let's face it. Why should Concord pay us to do it when they are there all the time in uber ships. It just lame.
Thx to Martin
People are not in npc 0.0 just because they mainly don't even know it exists. Also missioning in npc 0.0 is difficult to start because after your newbie career at high sec you have negative standings for pirate corps. Idea: make it so that everyone gets nice standings for some npc 0.0 corps while doing missions in empire for some corps. I got decent standings for mordu's, but there's only like one system to do level 4's for them and it's already camped 23/7 by misc pirates.
Solution is NOT adding more empire space. People stay in empire because they think they're perfectly safe, which they most of the time are. Instead of increasing sec status in systems it should be made lower tbh.
Sovereignity increasing sec status. Are you mad? Ratting is main income in 0.0 for combat pilots. There is no missions. For exploration you need good skills and time. Even then number of sites is limited and combat sites are... mostly crap. I am assuming you've never really lived in 0.0? How do you propose people in 0.0 would make their money? With their numerous empire alts?
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
Good reply. This also basically sums up my disagreement with Akita T's views.
I have this feeling you misunderstood what "my view" was, then...
NOTHING really changes, except the fact "player pirates" can enter deeper into highsec, but on the flipside it's open season on any player that has engaged in criminal acts recently, but hasn't bothered "grinding up" the standings back.
CONCORD still responds whenever a "positive security" pilot is attacked, like usual.
However, CONCORD never responds to any action on "negative security" pilots, making the life a lot "unsafer" for them, IF they chose to venture into highsec... heck, even in LOWSEC it's "open season" on all pirates, even the very small ones.
What this accomplishes is the chance for PLAYERS to get rid highsec of player pirates and suicide gankers (unless THEY bother a lot more to grind their secstatus up), and most importantly, it opens up the POSSIBILITY of proactively policing lowsec without becoming "a criminal" yourself... a thing which is impossible right now, unless the target is a -5.0 sec pilot.
We don't need more space, we need the possibility to make the space we live in safer for our friends, without becoming outlaws ourselves, or getting CONCORD interference.
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Villavon
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:06:00 -
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By removing bounty's for rats in high sec (mission and belt rats) there is very little point in doing missions in those area's.
That probably means that there will be more miners, so to even that out we must remove the belt out of high sec.
Why not scrap the whole idea of high sec space and make everything 0.0 then?
Maybe just keep a tiny few starter systems safe or make toons with less then 1.5m sp(ballpark figure) safe from attacks.
It might take some getting use to but i think it will enhance gameplay in the long run.
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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Laila Eldgorn
Originally by: Sir Atkinson
And upgrade the security status of all 0.1-0.4 system by 0.1 point. Thus making more highsec for the increasing amount of empire bears and increasing the amount of low-sec by increasing sec rating of NPC controlled 0.0.
Syndicate is a good example - it's a joke. there is a lot of good agents and mining opportunities that aren't utilised because it's 0.0. Opening these systems up would draw more people out of hi-sec and into low-sec.
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.5 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
Remove bounties in 0.5-1.0 systems. Let's face it. Why should Concord pay us to do it when they are there all the time in uber ships. It just lame.
Thx to Martin
People are not in npc 0.0 just because they mainly don't even know it exists. Also missioning in npc 0.0 is difficult to start because after your newbie career at high sec you have negative standings for pirate corps. Idea: make it so that everyone gets nice standings for some npc 0.0 corps while doing missions in empire for some corps. I got decent standings for mordu's, but there's only like one system to do level 4's for them and it's already camped 23/7 by misc pirates.
Solution is NOT adding more empire space. People stay in empire because they think they're perfectly safe, which they most of the time are. Instead of increasing sec status in systems it should be made lower tbh.
Sovereignity increasing sec status. Are you mad? Ratting is main income in 0.0 for combat pilots. There is no missions. For exploration you need good skills and time. Even then number of sites is limited and combat sites are... mostly crap. I am assuming you've never really lived in 0.0? How do you propose people in 0.0 would make their money? With their numerous empire alts?
It's not the point really. The problem is that once sovereignty 4 has been claimed and the system is under complete control and the capital construction arrays appear. Then you set up a Cyno jammer and gate camp the system with 2 titans and DDD's (or whatever BOB are doing).
I'm not saying nerf BOB, it's just the common sense, or lack hereof, that when a system is continually policed, it's security rating is increased (Beverly Hills vs. Bronx).
So by increasing sec rating in system where large amounts of ratting occurs is a natural evolution. Also, low-sec systems where noone goes to rat could become lawless over time.
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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Villavon
By removing bounty's for rats in high sec (mission and belt rats) there is very little point in doing missions in those area's.
That probably means that there will be more miners, so to even that out we must remove the belt out of high sec.
Why not scrap the whole idea of high sec space and make everything 0.0 then?
Maybe just keep a tiny few starter systems safe or make toons with less then 1.5m sp(ballpark figure) safe from attacks.
It might take some getting use to but i think it will enhance gameplay in the long run.
I suggested some time ago that Hi-sec Asteroid belts should cease to regenerate. It's unrealiastic (not that the whole spacegamethingy is realistic to start with, but there must be some laws of physics:)) Or that the Empires should nationalise the ressources for the upcoming wars (like Venezuela). For example so state war academy-achura-macro-alt-farmers could only mine in Caldari Space or something like it.
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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Atkinson on 22/03/2008 12:19:43
My God. It must be the coffee. I'm spraying the toilet with good ideas today.
When Pirate Faction 0.0 space is upgraded to LOW-Sec, there would be a base for a standardised black market where contraband could be traded and moved around freely A whole cordon around the empires where semi-lawlessness thrives where you could stack up on boosters and exotic dancers before going into the real wild west. Like the Gaza strip or the west bank. Think about it. A whole section of the supermarket full of cheap drugs or illegal ammunition and ****ography.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.0 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
This I can sort of agree with (FYP, btw); if I were rats, and someone plopped down an outpost and started shooting me 24/7/365, would I hang around to be farmed? Of course not, so why should they?
Think the max limit should be just a tad under actual 0.0, though, not lowsec or highsec. That way, the rat spawns are crap but you don't lose sec status via aggression.
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Emergent Chaos
Bedlam Consortium
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
And upgrade the security status of all 0.1-0.4 system by 0.1 point. Thus making more highsec for the increasing amount of empire bears and increasing the amount of low-sec by increasing sec rating of NPC controlled 0.0.
Syndicate is a good example - it's a joke. there is a lot of good agents and mining opportunities that aren't utilised because it's 0.0. Opening these systems up would draw more people out of hi-sec and into low-sec.
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.5 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
Remove bounties in 0.5-1.0 systems. Let's face it. Why should Concord pay us to do it when they are there all the time in uber ships. It just lame.
Thx to Martin
Disagree with you on Syndicate. There needs to be places where people can try out 0.0 space without the need for the incredibly boring logistics of claiming sovereignity and having POS'es running.
Syndicate (or NPC controlled space) is great for a large part of the eve population, the fun of 0.0, but without the POS.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Sir Atkinson
In other news: Sovereignty should slowly increase sec status i.e. (0.05 points in 30 days.) To a maximum of 0.0 in constellatin Capital. There must be a downside to claiming space. Keeping the space safe by ratting i.e. should promt concord to increase the sec rating.
This I can sort of agree with (FYP, btw); if I were rats, and someone plopped down an outpost and started shooting me 24/7/365, would I hang around to be farmed? Of course not, so why should they?
Think the max limit should be just a tad under actual 0.0, though, not lowsec or highsec. That way, the rat spawns are crap but you don't lose sec status via aggression.
You're right. Probably a better solution. -0.0001 and goodbye 2.5 mill each rats.
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Villavon
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Atkinson
I suggested some time ago that Hi-sec Asteroid belts should cease to regenerate. It's unrealiastic (not that the whole spacegamethingy is realistic to start with, but there must be some laws of physics:)) Or that the Empires should nationalise the ressources for the upcoming wars (like Venezuela). For example so state war academy-achura-macro-alt-farmers could only mine in Caldari Space or something like it.
All pin-pointed belts should be removed, in all systems. Hi-Lo or 0.0.
Make people scan them out. They should be heavily infested with decent sized rats too to encourage teamplay. It's a mmorpg after all.
Teamplay only comes with risk.
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