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F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.23 08:31:00 - [1] I just saw the 3rd season finale for BSG and it was awesome. AWE SOME. wow Easily one of the best episodes of the series. I can't wait until the 4th to see what happens next. The writing was just great, and the suspense really built well. The music added to this greatly. And speaking of music, what a cover of "All Along the Watchtower". I kept saying to myself, "I know this song. Why can't I think of it's name?" So very well done. *Spoiler alert* I did pretty much guess who the Cylons were thanks to the strange music, which didn't really connect with the song until I heard the regular version later and it all fit together, but what a revelation. I kept thinking, "No, that can't be it, it's too obvious." But it worked so well the way the writers developed it. And their reaction was totally unexpected. They didn't do the stock, "Destroy all humans!" thing one expects in these circumstances. The uncertainty leaves so much open for the final season. Definitely one of the best climaxes in the show, and that's hard to do after so many. And this raises a big question about Nicky. Isn't he just as much of a hybrid as Hera? What does this mean for the future? And who's the fifth? In the Eye of Jupiter episode, Xena (I can't remember her show name) surely had to have seen the 5th one since she was so much in awe. This would lead me to believe it's either Adama or the President. But that's just too obvious; plus Roslin probably wouldn't have cancer if she's a Cylon. And it couldn't have been someone on Galactica, as they would have responded to the radio broadcast. So that makes Starbuck the likely candidate, and would fit it in Xena's reaction. It can't be someone new, as that would be boring -- "OMG, you're the fifth Cylon! No way! That's incredible! Who are you again? And why should I care?" So all we really know is that it's not Helo, since Hera wouldn't be a hybrid if he's not human. Oh, the possibilities. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:35:00 - [2] I think the final cylon is Lee Adama.
Nuala Reece Synthetic Frontiers Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:48:00 - [3] Originally by: F'nog And who's the fifth? In the Eye of Jupiter episode, Xena (I can't remember her show name) surely had to have seen the 5th one since she was so much in awe. Not necessarily as, in the same episode, the 6 in Baltar's head told him it wasn't Deanna's destiny to see the final cylon but his. I'm hoping they'll bring her back in season 4 to wrap that up. Not long to wait now.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:53:00 - [4] I've been waiting for Season 4 for so long that I've started to forget the storyline. When is it coming out again? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:01:00 - [5] --- spoiler---- I think the fifth one is Starbuck. Remember, her fighter got crushed by pressure within the vortex, and in the end, here she is, alive and knowning more about what is going on than any other in the BSG crew. ------------------------------------------
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Tamia Clant I've been waiting for Season 4 for so long that I've started to forget the storyline. When is it coming out again? Check out "what the frack is going on?"
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Originally by: Tamia Clant I've been waiting for Season 4 for so long that I've started to forget the storyline. When is it coming out again? Check out "what the frack is going on?" :( Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Coconut Joe VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:14:00 - [8] spoiler The scene where BSG warps into the atmosphere of the prison planet and starts free falling is the greatest scene I've ever watched in sci fi. * end spoiler * - Eve IGB Store Template - The complete eve retail solution.
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Tamia Clant :( Ouch
Valeo Galaem New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:21:00 - [10] Everything known about season 4 thus far (contains some minor spoilers) http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Season 4 (2008) Originally by: Battlestar Wiki In an Entertainment Weekly interview , Ron Moore reveals who is not the fifth Cylon. According to the article, neither William Adama, Lee Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Karl Agathon, nor Gaius Baltar is the fifth Cylon. BSG re-airs on April 4 in the US - 12 days and counting Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption Methods
pwnedgato The Black Dawn Gang Mashen T'plak	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:08:00 - [11] /Prepares for crucifixion I have to say it... I've needed to say it... I have been unable to watch more than the first few episodes of BSG. I also failed to enjoy large portions of Firefly and I guess as long as I am confessing I stole my 4th grade teachers keys and lost them. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:50:00 - [12] Originally by: pwnedgato /Prepares for crucifixion I have to say it... I've needed to say it... I have been unable to watch more than the first few episodes of BSG. I also failed to enjoy large portions of Firefly and I guess as long as I am confessing I stole my 4th grade teachers keys and lost them. Why are you playing an internet spaceships game if you hate spaceships? You must be one of those dull "I like watching Data trying to be human every few episodes" Star Trek fans right?
pwnedgato The Black Dawn Gang Mashen T'plak	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:07:00 - [13] Edited by: pwnedgato on 24/03/2008 01:10:48 Edited by: pwnedgato on 24/03/2008 01:08:06 Nope the only Star Trek I enjoyed was the original and a few select episodes of the most recent one (Enterprise). Really most of my <3 for sci-fi is in Heinlein, Keith Laumer, many other authors, Star Wars (original trilogy and the books only) and a few random movies. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.24 02:30:00 - [14] Originally by: pwnedgato Edited by: pwnedgato on 24/03/2008 01:10:48 Edited by: pwnedgato on 24/03/2008 01:08:06 Nope the only Star Trek I enjoyed was the original and a few select episodes of the most recent one (Enterprise). Really most of my <3 for sci-fi is in Heinlein, Keith Laumer, many other authors, Star Wars (original trilogy and the books only) and a few random movies. If you like Heinlein and the type you'll really love where BSG goes. It's a lot like Starship Troopers in the second half of season 2 and most of season 3. There's a tone of philosophical/ethical debate. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Gneeznow SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.24 03:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Shadowsword --- spoiler---- I think the fifth one is Starbuck. Remember, her fighter got crushed by pressure within the vortex, and in the end, here she is, alive and knowning more about what is going on than any other in the BSG crew. Yeah i think so too
Tacitus Krekt Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.24 05:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Coconut Joe spoiler The scene where BSG warps into the atmosphere of the prison planet and starts free falling is the greatest scene I've ever watched in sci fi. * end spoiler * I know I saw an EVE joke on that once...ship falling towards the planet, at a ridiculous rate...Session change in progress...
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:34:00 - [17] for those who are going bsg what? and want to get into it but haven't got the time to watch all 3 seasons here's a quick recap over the current 3 seasons so you are ready to appreciate the 4th and final season eta april 2008.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:37:00 - [18] Don't ya think the real thing would be a more interesting to look into...???
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:44:00 - [19] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 10:47:29 Originally by: Sephra Star Don't ya think the real thing would be a more interesting to look into...??? not really cause we're far from ready to be a space faring race. Having technology is one thing (how we got some of it i'll leave out of this), applying it in a childish and stupid manner with lack of foresight wisdom and responsibility is another. also we have so little understanding of our own sphere that it borders ridiculousness. especially what's in the oceans and underneath the ground and also just plant and animal life natural medicines and our own bodies in general. to venture out in space at this time is nothing short of a foolish way to redirect the attention to something else and disregard the issues at hand instead of learning what we require instead. anyways, bsg tells a great story about parts of our past, you'll see in season 4 when they reach earth. look to egypt and beyond.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:47:00 - [20] Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 10:48:09 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Sephra Star Don't ya think the real thing would be a more interesting to look into...??? not really cause we're far from ready to be a space faring race. Having technology is one thing, applying it in a childish and stupid manner with lack of foresight wisdom and responsibility is another. anyways, bsg tells a great story about parts of our past, you'll see in season 4 when they reach earth. look to egypt and beyond. It appears we better catch up quick then as evidently there are already bases on the far side of the moon. Before you laugh though I seriously suggest you spend the hours it takes to weed through the link you just quote/replied with that I gave you. It appears the real life Cylons are ready to strike.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:50:00 - [21] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 10:56:44 Originally by: Sephra Star Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Sephra Star Don't ya think the real thing would be a more interesting to look into...??? not really cause we're far from ready to be a space faring race. Having technology is one thing, applying it in a childish and stupid manner with lack of foresight wisdom and responsibility is another. anyways, bsg tells a great story about parts of our past, you'll see in season 4 when they reach earth. look to egypt and beyond. It appears we better catch up quick then as evidently there are already bases on the far side of the moon. Before you laugh though I seriously suggest you spend the hours it takes to weed through the link you just quote/replied with that I gave you. i know, they were called the watchers in the bible, and we are up there trying to salvage some of the artifacts, but what has this got to do with bsg? also your argument is flawed since there are species much more advanced and that doesn't mean just because someone else is allready quite space faring that we also have to hurry up. nonono.. big fail. there's been plenty of other species here, including us which is most likely not originally from here. but have just forgotten. (humanity is much older than you think). and if they wanted us to hurry up and become space faring they would just come and give us technology. but that's like giving an angry child the launch codes to a nuclear bomb. it's a disaster waiting to happen. we will take our time like everyone else did so we have wisdom when applying our knowledge power and technology. to do anything else is psychological escapism and childish behaviour on a species broad scale that could have fatal consequences, for others (if we decided in stupidity to enslave or fight some of them) or for us (if someone decides to wipe us out if we become too much of a rogue threat towards other civilizations). the best thing that could happen was the black projects closing down, all but neutral pure state tech destroyed and nobody would ever know it existed, and we would evolve in a wise and calm fashion. we'll see what happens though, maybe if we go too far someone will come and give the child a spanking. obviously war against another civilization won't be tolerated and kept in the shadows like the current and past "under the table" tech transfer procedures and uncovering of ancient science and technology. they don't want to be killed any more than we do.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 10:58:00 - [22] Unfortunately our world at this moment is being controlled and ruled by angry children who just so happen to be holding their insane fingers on the trigger. As I said before (if you can) weed through the links and posts I made in the Arthur C. Clarke thread.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:00:00 - [23] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 11:03:31 Originally by: Sephra Star Unfortunately our world at this moment is being controlled and ruled by angry children who just so happen to be holding their insane fingers on the trigger. As I said before (if you can) weed through the links and posts I made in the Arthur C. Clarke thread. ppl know that very well, ppl are not fools, they've worked it out, most if it anyways, just not all talk about it, yes i'm one of those who talk about it, but that doesn't mean others necesarily have to, and i most certainly don't talk about it 24/7. furthermore, what's your point with posting this in a bsg thread? for gods sake man, give ppl some relief, yes we know about it.. doesn't mean you have to talk about it 24/7, i've had my share of posts in here about it from time to time but that's all you ever frigging post about, in basically every thread you can manage. this is a bsg thread, appreciate the bsg series or gtfo and make your own thread.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:02:00 - [24] Because it would appear if the allegations in the Arthur C. Clarke thread are valid then BSG is part of a sophisticated Brainwash Psyop.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:08:00 - [25] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 11:17:20 Originally by: Sephra Star Because it would appear if the allegations in the Arthur C. Clarke thread are valid then BSG is part of a sophisticated Brainwash Psyop. look, i know about the psyops in the past, and the resarch on it, clinton admitted they had conducted experiments on innocent unwilling and unaware citizens, and they also admit mkultra exists.. i also know that researching this like you do, can make some ppl paranoid. yes, they can mind control you if they really wanted to. it's not really a big problem to make someone a drone. no, bsg is not a psy ops, believe me those "angry kids" got bigger fish to fry, cause they stepped in doodoo and they know it. the humor in a few pesky semi intelligent humans on a currently backwater planet thinking they can conquer the galaxy and enslave their species and get away with it scott free without any repercussions or consequences, cause they scavenged some pure tech is just too funny, and u know, some ppl only believe what they see and think they are all powerful untill they are shown otherwise, so those few pesky semi intelligent humans might need to be taught a lesson, but if all goes well, hopefully the general populace won't know anything about it except that the world all of a sudden became more peaceful for no apparent reason. also i don't remember arthur c clark being initiated into any black ops project, but i do hear you crying wolf a whole lot.. yes there's a wolf, and yes you should talk to ppl about it, but just random posting 24/7 about hear say and tidbits of information being all "i told you so" is missing the plot cause it's not about you being right and standing like "i told you so" hoping and praying that onf of the many civilizations out there will come and scare the crap out of ppl in the skies as their view on life comes crashing down, it's about everything being set to how it was supposed to be so that we will meet them in DUE time instead of prematurely (like now) when we're not really even remotely ready for it. and hopefully everything will be set right and done in a way that we will be back to just evolving in peace and figuring things out along the way, making our mistakes, learning from them and moving on without having to worry too much about such things.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:15:00 - [26] This quote from Dr. Steven Greer's book suggests that BSG is indeed part of a PSYOP. "I learned from a number of people that you can't really do films on the subject of ETs anymore unless there's a heavy militaristic, xenophobic overlay. We went from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to movies like "Independence Day" and silly things like "Men In Black" or "Mars Attacks". These movies all have an invasion or military conflict theme. These covert interests want the populace brain-washed via this type of propaganda to the falsehood of "alien hostility". Hollywood, and the media in general, are key control points."
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:21:00 - [27] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 11:27:13 Originally by: Sephra Star This quote from Dr. Steven Greer's book suggests that BSG is indeed part of a PSYOP. "I learned from a number of people that you can't really do films on the subject of ETs anymore unless there's a heavy militaristic, xenophobic overlay. We went from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to movies like "Independence Day" and silly things like "Men In Black" or "Mars Attacks". These movies all have an invasion or military conflict theme. These covert interests want the populace brain-washed via this type of propaganda to the falsehood of "alien hostility". Hollywood, and the media in general, are key control points." look anyone with half a brain knows that there are both civilized and not so civilized species like us out there, why? cause they went through or are going through the stuff we're going through too.. obviously most of the civilized ones are not hostile. but what you're doing is scaring ppl, a lot more than watching a tv show can ever do. so who's scaring who again? and you're basing it on hearsay, yes those movies you speak of where influenced by military industrial complex interaction and tech transfer and the likes with an uncivilized species, and was prepping ppl to get accustomed to first contact, but plans change (for good reasons, we're just not ready). but sci fi is not psyops, yes some are being nudged into certain depictions of things in sci fi but it's not all like they are being mind controlled or whatever, someone "hands them" the ideas, it's not all ominous, much of it is just human inspiration and creativity, but yes, cover stories and plausible deniability backed up by certain movies and series hiding truth in plain sight (dude that's not true you just saw that in that series) or plausible things that ppl then believe but turns out is not true whatsoever is allways handy for the "angry kids" but most of it is really inspiration and creativity, and sci fi is a wonderful thing. there's no sense in be calling all of it psy ops. but you're missing the point, you are not helping by scaring the **** out of ppl with psyops talk and the likes. it's something none of us ideally should have to worry about or need to know about, when everything is set right.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 11:26:33 Well it seems to me there are a great many very well educated as well as very level headed people who think otherwise and have not only put their reputations on the line for it, but potentially there lives as well. This new dictatorship we live under in America with its draconian powers could at anytime swoop down and disappear these people and it is up to us to protect them by listening to them and looking into the subject they are trying desperately to make us aware of.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:28:00 - [29] Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 11:28:59 Bear in mind there is evidence to lend support to allagations that their is an insidious intention to reduce this planets population by billions.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:32:00 - [30] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/03/2008 11:40:24 Originally by: sephra star Well it seems to me there are a great many very well educated as well as very level headed people who think otherwise and have not only put their reputations on the line for it, but potentially there lives as well. This new dictatorship we live under in America with its draconian powers could at anytime swoop down and disappear these people and it is up to us to protect them by listening to them and looking into the subject they are trying desperately to make us aware of. nah, they are getting what's coming to them, cause and effect. nah it's actually worldwide with the NAU - EU - Global gov setup. the ones in the states don't have any power, the real puppeteers names you never hear, if they are in the media or well known, they are just pawns for the "angry kids". but the point is, they'll be taught a lesson, those who need to know need to know and those who are meant to find out will find out, and everything will be allright. but scaring the **** out of ppl is giving ppl what they don't need. talk about it yes, but not 24/7. ppl will find out if they want to and are meant to, but in general (except now and again and not 24/7) , ppl need to be left alone and evolve in peace. the way it was supposed to be. and with that said, enough of this sephra.. this thread is about bsg. and if it has any ties to what you speak it is most likely that of plausible deniability of ancient past, or acclimatization about et's. also there's no aliens in bsg, there's a robot species that humans created themselves.. that are actually trying to become more human to reach god, not angry aliens. which means a) your argument about "making it look like all et's are bad" falls down dramatically, and it also means that there's some good stuff to be found if you read between the lines, if you want to call it psy ops based on hear say go ahead, i call it sci fi inspired by our ancient past with some potential influences directing the storyline, all in all a pretty good sci fi series for public consumption
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:12:00 - [31] I used to think Babylon 5 was great consumption too. Then again; that was before I shead the brainwash.
Matthias Clemi State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:20:00 - [32] Sephra you have ruined another thread, well done.
pwnedgato The Black Dawn Gang Mashen T'plak	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:51:00 - [33] Earlier I felt a great disturbance in the force... and then I found that Seph and Shining managed to meet... Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:59:00 - [34] conspiracy nuts out of my thread now! Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:05:00 - [35] reads thread OH WHAT THE **** COME ON! GAH! ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Shanzem The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:08:00 - [36] -------------------------------------------
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:18:00 - [37] Ya Never Know...
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:18:08 Ya Never Know... If ya don't wake up you never will. I'm curious, Sephra, is your existence really so hollow that you feel the need to blurt out this crap?
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Sereifex Daku I'm curious, Sephra, is your existence really so hollow that you feel the need to blurt out this crap? This must be some kind of an attempt to make me feel belittled, forlorne, and dejected? FAILURE
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Sephra Star This must be some kind of an attempt to make me feel belittled, forlorne, and dejected? Actually, no. This is simply my way of telling you to stop derailing threads, you spamming nutjob.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Sephra Star This must be some kind of an attempt to make me feel belittled, forlorne, and dejected? Actually, no. This is simply my way of telling you to stop derailing threads, you spamming nutjob. Indeed. Stop derailing every thread here with yout inanity, Sephra. We have enough of that in the other boards. This thread is about BSG. Please stick to it. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.25 10:24:00 - [42] Oooo, I've got it, from the above revelation. The final Cylon is Billy. You heard it here last, folks. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Gneeznow SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:01:00 - [43] pfft it has to be starbuck
Sirial Soulfly Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:16:00 - [44] Originally by: pwnedgato Earlier I felt a great disturbance in the force... and then I found that Seph and Shining managed to meet... I thought they were the same person
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Gneeznow pfft it has to be starbuck Actually, I think they confirmed that it's not starbuck... ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:06:00 - [46] I'm most probably wrong but I like to entertain the idea that those 4 characters at the end aren't cylons but are either descendants of members of the 13th tribe who did not go to Earth with their brethren OR that they are psychic. I just found it weird how they all came to the conclusion that they are cylons just because they hear music. It is uncanny, sure, but are cylons known to hear music? No.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Sereifex Daku I'm most probably wrong but I like to entertain the idea that those 4 characters at the end aren't cylons but are either descendants of members of the 13th tribe who did not go to Earth with their brethren OR that they are psychic. I just found it weird how they all came to the conclusion that they are cylons just because they hear music. It is uncanny, sure, but are cylons known to hear music? No. I took the music to be some sort of trigger that activated them, either through the notes themselves or data hidden within it. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
7shining7one7	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:10:00 - [48] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 26/03/2008 04:16:42 I think it's just to entertain and keep people guessing, personally i'm more interested in starbucks ties to the lords of kobol, and the cylons too for that matter. they don't know where earth is, is it inhabited by a tribe of humans at the time they get there? maybe that's where the 12 colonies and 13 tribes started out before they colonized space and lived with the lords of kobol. maybe it isn't the first time the cylons were invented. everything has happened before and everything will happen again. or the whole "human fleet" could all be cylons pretending to be humans, with programmed amnesia in order to know more about themselves and what they really are.. their fascination with the maker might cause them to mimic his apparent pattern of experience. they have a surrogate collective mind and ressurection mechanics as it is. Also the logic of an AI would certainly dictate to know everything, particularly about itself. And make huge strides from a scientific and logical viewpoint since they are a collective mind, with no real free will guided by pure logic and precision, rather than the human emotions and wisdom and compassion that is our guide. And that is exactly the part they are finding out they are/were missing to understand the maker, so they did their best to mimic emotions. but it's going to be interesting finding out exactly who guyus baltar saw in the opera house
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:37:00 - [49] Oh, crap, I agree with Shining. Interesting theory. I doubt it, but it's interesting nonetheless. The whole circular-nature reference does elicit certain questions. I, for one, can't wait to see how it all pans out. Something else I realized after watching the mini, Tigh has been in the military for 40 years. That would seem to mean the Cyclons have had skinjobs for at least that amount of time -- assuming he wasn't replaced by a Cyclon some time ago, which would be pretty weak and derivative. So if we assume he's the only Tigh, then the Cyclons have had organic versions since the original war. That throws a whole new light on their machinations. Back at the beginning of Season 2, Adama states that Billy reminds Roslin of the previous President. What if Billy really is the 5th Cylon and he WAS the President, just older? Quite the possibilities. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Max Nero Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.26 08:14:00 - [50] Dualla is the 5th... Remember prediction "Adama is a cylon"? Lee and his daddy are too obvious to be cylons. Getit-getit? Tinfoil hats: ON Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:23:00 - [51] Originally by: F'nog Oh, crap, I agree with Shining. Interesting theory. I doubt it, but it's interesting nonetheless. The whole circular-nature reference does elicit certain questions. I, for one, can't wait to see how it all pans out. Something else I realized after watching the mini, Tigh has been in the military for 40 years. That would seem to mean the Cyclons have had skinjobs for at least that amount of time -- assuming he wasn't replaced by a Cyclon some time ago, which would be pretty weak and derivative. So if we assume he's the only Tigh, then the Cyclons have had organic versions since the original war. That throws a whole new light on their machinations. Back at the beginning of Season 2, Adama states that Billy reminds Roslin of the previous President. What if Billy really is the 5th Cylon and he WAS the President, just older? Quite the possibilities. Yeah but the Cylons only started trying to create a biological Cylon near the end of the war (see Razor). They couldn't have created humanoid Cylons at the start of the war because they were busy rebelling against the Colonials. So Tigh would have had to have been replaced by his Cylon counterpart between the end of the first Cylon war and him rejoining Colonial Fleet. This is part of the reason I don't want to believe that Tigh is a Cylon. I think that those four guys are going to spend the start of the next season believing themselves to be Cylons when they really aren't, like Baltar when he was on the baseship.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:28:00 - [52] You know, being in imminent peril if you suspect yourself to by a Cylon is got to be the work kind of mind******y. I mean, you're potentially moments away from death, but at the same time you might just be instantly reborn elsewhere. So death MIGHT mean the end of your existence, or it could be not a big deal at all, and you have no idea which one it is. Damn. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Tarminic You know, being in imminent peril if you suspect yourself to by a Cylon is got to be the work kind of mind******y. I mean, you're potentially moments away from death, but at the same time you might just be instantly reborn elsewhere. So death MIGHT mean the end of your existence, or it could be not a big deal at all, and you have no idea which one it is. Damn. That only presumes that if your a human you are also an athiest. Then even if you are an athiest and believe it is the end of your existence you might be wrong anyway. Then again if your a reincarnationist it works out pretty much the same whichever one you are.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Sephra Star That only presumes that if your a human you are also an athiest. Then even if you are an athiest and believe it is the end of your existence you might be wrong anyway. True. I'm agnostic myself, but I know that the vast majority of Christians fear death just as much as I do, if for no other reason than that the death of the physical body has to be an incredibly jarring experience regardless of what happens afterward. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Tarminic True. I'm agnostic myself, but I know that the vast majority of Christians fear death just as much as I do, if for no other reason than that the death of the physical body has to be an incredibly jarring experience regardless of what happens afterward. Or Christians fear death because, deep down, they doubt their beliefs.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Tarminic True. I'm agnostic myself, but I know that the vast majority of Christians fear death just as much as I do, if for no other reason than that the death of the physical body has to be an incredibly jarring experience regardless of what happens afterward. Or Christians fear death because, deep down, they doubt their beliefs. Some, but not all. I know several people that are absolutely, doubtlessly convinced of their beliefs. Hardcore Christians would claim that all atheists, deep down, really fear the wrath of god and we know that's not really true. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
nahtoh Bull Industries United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Tarminic True. I'm agnostic myself, but I know that the vast majority of Christians fear death just as much as I do, if for no other reason than that the death of the physical body has to be an incredibly jarring experience regardless of what happens afterward. Or Christians fear death because, deep down, they doubt their beliefs. Some, but not all. I know several people that are absolutely, doubtlessly convinced of their beliefs. Hardcore Christians would claim that all atheists, deep down, really fear the wrath of god and we know that's not really true. "you stand before the god you denied for most of your life WHAT SAY THEE!!!!!!" "Oops?" ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Max Nero Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.27 06:57:00 - [58] "3/22/08: Ron Moore claims that the final Cylon is not one of the primary humans (Roslin, Adama, Lee, Starbuck or Baltar). From TV Guide" Linky Linky Telling you people, it's Dualla... "Adama is a Cylon" Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:15:00 - [59] I am really getting into BSG in a big way. Great production values, great stories, great characters. When I first heard about them redoing BSG years ago my first thought was DISCO in space. But man I was wrong. I watched the first season's first 3 episodes and I loved it (awhile ago and that was on divx files on my computer). But I bought myself a new 42" 1080p LCD HDTV set and I watched one of the newer episodes in full HD glory and I gotta say I would hate to watch any of the first seasons on dvd or regular TV signal. Should I wait for them to hopefully release the first seasons in a boxed blu-ray set so that I can watch them in the sequence they were originally in (so I don't get too lost or not appreaciate the newer storylines), or should I got ahead and watch the new episodes in HD that are airing and come back to the original on dvd afterwards? ps, HDTV looks awesome compaired to standard 720 or standard tv broadcast believe me. DVD's even look like **** compaired to HD.

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