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Esmenet Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 13:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Esmenet on 23/03/2008 13:28:53 Originally by: Ki An A carebear is someone who can't stand the fact that they might actually lose. They will take any means necessary to avoid losing, and if they still lose, they will throw a hissy fit and use any form of abuse to "get back" at their assailant. They are people that does not understand, and would never admit, that Eve is a PvP centered game and that non-consentual PvP is how it is and how it should be. They are people who thinks their own morality is the benchmark for everyone else, and that if someone strays from the "one true path", it is becuase there is something wrong with the in real life. Basically, they take the game way too seriously. Thats a good definition. The funny thing is that they claim to have some kind of moral and age superiority while at the same time hurling abuse at you in the manner of a spoiled brat.
Venkul Mul Vikramaditya DO JAJA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 13:46:00 - [32] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 23/03/2008 13:47:19 The people posting here are my definition of carebear read the linked thread and notice, most of them are PvPers. "Whaa I should not risk my precious skillpoints"
Nyabinghi Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.23 13:49:00 - [33] I know for a fact pirates and gankers LOVE carebears cause they are easy to blow up. ***
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.23 13:53:00 - [34] because they're not as cool as chribba. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Barbelo Valentinian Liberty Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Ki An A carebear is someone who can't stand the fact that they might actually lose. They will take any means necessary to avoid losing, Yes exactly, so skilled "pirates" in Megathrons ganking newbie miners, or corporations consisting of such skilled people wardeccing and bullying newbie corps is carebearing. QED. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:03:00 - [36] Edited by: Ki An on 23/03/2008 14:04:31 Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Yes exactly, so skilled "pirates" in Megathrons ganking newbie miners, or corporations consisting of such skilled people wardeccing and bullying newbie corps is carebearing. QED. If that's all that they do, I would agree. Edit: As long as they conform to the other rules I listed in my defenition of a carebear. Please don't snippet one line from a whole. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:16:00 - [37] My take on it is that people like to think EVE is teh h4rdc0r3z. If EVE is teh h4rdc0r3z then they must be teh h4rdc0r3z for playing it. But what's this? All these guys mining and missioning in empire? Oh god no! This is a game a WoW player could like! But if that's the case are we still teh h4rdc0r3z? No we are not. We may as well be playing Sanrio's newest Well, would you be happy with someone who provided you a universe shattering revelation of this magnitude? EVE RELATED CONTENT
SiJira Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:22:00 - [38] Originally by: IDF187 It just a simple question, why? Iam no carebear, I like a good fight, but what I also like is for my allianse carebears to build me a nice ship for much less then market, I love carebears they supply my blood thirsty ars. Has any1 thought of it that way, and perhaps stop hating on them? most people cant understand how someone can mine for hours after their first eve day and think they are all sweatshop farmers Trashed sig, Shark was here
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:34:00 - [39] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 23/03/2008 14:36:30 Originally by: SiJira most people cant understand how someone can mine for hours after their first eve day and think they are all sweatshop farmers So most people are pretty stupid or think that the ships are all NPC products. If someone is willing to stare for hours to a gate waiting for the 30 seconds of "happiness" when he destroy someone, he should have no problem thinking that someone can stare for hours an asteroid for the 30 seconds of "happiness" of building and selling a ship.
Tellnan Matkiel Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:56:00 - [40] It is interesting that some people appear to use the term as justification for their own actions. There is an element of meta-game morality here that I find absolutely fascinating. To take an obvious example, the Goonswarm jihad/pogrom against exhumers/miners is justified (by them) by the definition of exhumer pilots as carebears, and worthy of scorn. For my own part I find the term to be too inexact. Too many possible and conflicting meanings. Just to be plain, I don't have any particular problem with Goonswarm's actions, I just find the meta-morality angle intriguing is all. :)
Ruah Piskonit PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:46:00 - [41] A carebear is someone who, more oftain then not, plays alone and runs CCP created content (missions, exploration, Cosmos, et al). They tend to dissain from conflict and fighting and rarely leave high sec space unless it is to run missions, do exploration, cosmos, et al. Although 'hate' is too strong a word, a lot of people dislike them because they belive CCP give the carebear too much protection. EvE is a very pvp oriented game. These days, it is commonly accepted that there are sevaral ways to do pvp (combat, trading, etc) but the carebear seeks to avoid all of these. People hate them because CCP will 'softain' the game (introduce Concorde, 'nurf' empire ganking, deepspace, wtz) and allow for people who don't agree with unconsentual pvp to live in the game and oftain make good ammount of money. What these people want is for the massive part of MMO be preserved along with the very nasty pvp aspect of the game. People fear that these values will be lost as CCP continues to cater to carebears. ----
Azirapheal The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:51:00 - [42] i just used to hate the smash bears crying for help when RA were making them mine like biatches because of peokes screwup whole reason i left smash and joined RK so i could actually fight without peokes and emps having a cissyfit at me. as an aside, imagine the carebear tears if all pirates stopped shooting eachother for a month, no new ships would be needed etc and thus carebear wallets would not rise without missions. its a two sided coin, we destroy stuff and you profit. try to remember this next time you are ransomed. the guy ransoming you is merely claiming his marketing bonus ;)
SheriffFruitfly FlyinPenguin Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:53:00 - [43] Edited by: SheriffFruitfly on 23/03/2008 16:53:46 This is eve. Home of a$$holes.
Lori Carlyle Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:55:00 - [44] Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Edited by: SheriffFruitfly on 23/03/2008 16:53:46 This is eve. Home of a$$holes. Welcome home.. ---- CCP Please answer the following Questions.
Soporo Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:38:00 - [45] Eve definitions: Carebear = risk averse people who arent jackasses for its own sake. People who will also quit the game before being "forced" to move anywhere uncomfortable. They sometimes complain shrilly when their naive ways get them in trouble. Griefer = people out to ruin someones day for no better reason than it somehow validates their lame existence, and who sweatily abuse themselves over pics of their mom in the basement. They sometimes complain bitterly when a game mechanic is changed that stops them from farming 1 week old n00bs. EVE PvP'er = Pk'er 90% of the time. Dev = the guy who gives free BPO's to your enemies, offlines your POS, and talks on MSN to people you hate. Hope this helped your understanding.
Pax Ratlin Woodland Larch	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:47:00 - [46] Edited by: Pax Ratlin on 23/03/2008 17:54:01 Originally by: Ruah Piskonit People fear that these values will be lost as CCP continues to cater to it's main source of income. Fixed :) Plus An MMO isn't like any game you buy off the shelf at the store, you can't install, play, uninstall, wait 2 years, reinstall and expect to have exactly the same playing experience. It adapts, as it has to encourage the exsiting client base to cough up the subs each month, and changes with the companies preception of where it's gonna make the most money. As any carebear will tell you, you have to continually adapt to make the most profit. In otherwords you could say EvE was designed to be a very pvp orientated game, but it is currently a pvp orientated game. Is the game any better or worse than it was in the mythical 'golden age' of eve? Dunno, don't care, but lets look at Eve through the eyes of that mythical beast that no one wants to talk about and CCP spend all their waking hours in pursuit of, the dollar/euro/pound/rand/etc etc etc. So Mythical beast what do you see??? Player base up, number of players online at one time increased, increased noobs for pirates to gank .... yep looks like carebears are destroying the game ... oh wait Is this the right way for EvE to go ...... Dunno, don't care, that's for forum trolls and CCP focus groups to argue over. But the only really effective way for the hardcore PvPers can let CCP know how they really feel is to hit em where it hurts, in the wallet. And rest assured that when you stop playing you'll also be helping EvE to take a giant step forward in the direction of solving laggy fleet battles, the problem of low sec and all those other things the pvpers whine on about. Won't solve the crowding in Jita though
Taius Pax State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Cipher7 Sociopathic implies that we're not playing a game, that we're doing RL work and other people are ruining it for their enjoyment. Sociopathic means you exhibit asocial/antisocial behavior. No more, no less. Because it's occurring in a game we don't lock you up for life or give you the death penalty.
Saloris Nighthawke Ryche's Aggressors Asylum	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:11:00 - [48] I don't know why people think "Carebear" is an Eve term. It has been used in other MMo's for years! Think Rallos Zek in EQ way back in '99 which led to team PvP servers etc, etc, ad infinitum. sig was here
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Saloris Nighthawke I don't know why people think "Carebear" is an Eve term. It has been used in other MMo's for years! Think Rallos Zek in EQ way back in '99 which led to team PvP servers etc, etc, ad infinitum. IIRC Everquest used the term "Smurf" in reference to the blue names while I played.
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:16:00 - [50] What you have to remember about games like Eve, is that they attract all the crybabys who suck at online FPS. And the reason they suck? Online FPSs are a level playing field where all that matters is your skill and reaction time. Quoting for truth, The majority of MMORPG players suck at games where they are unable to hide behind experience points and time and grind sinks. That's why they ***** about "twitch" gameplay or tend to whine or quit when their I-win button gets changed, it doesn't just apply to FPS it applies to RTS and MMOs without SP or XP "character progression". But on saying that EVE isn't such a good example of this as it doesn't seem to attract the typical MMORPG 1337 kiddies and I know from experience that a good chunk of EVE players can do the business in games like TF2, its also worth pointing out that EVE pvp mirrors RTS gameplay as it leans towards intensive tactical micromanagement and is far more than F1-F8. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:24:00 - [51] Originally by: AndrewRyan Quoting for truth, The majority of MMORPG players suck at games where they are unable to hide behind experience points and time and grind sinks. That's why they ***** about "twitch" gameplay or tend to whine or quit when their I-win button gets changed, it doesn't just apply to FPS it applies to RTS and MMOs without SP or XP "character progression". Actually this isn't true. People can enjoy being poor at any game. WoW for example simply lacks people with previous gaming experience before, not that they couldn't hack it and you're total awesomesauceomgwtfbbqleetpwnz0retc. Many people simply don't like "twitch" gaming, particularly the older folk that tend to play MMORPGs. When you are younger, you can totally get "in the zone" and even get a rush in a competitive FPS. As you get older, you can't even force the will to care and are too busy thinking of other things for your attention and heartrate to raise slightly. As someone who is undefeated as a FPS young'un, I know this all too well.
Saloris Nighthawke Ryche's Aggressors Asylum	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Overwhelmed Originally by: Saloris Nighthawke I don't know why people think "Carebear" is an Eve term. It has been used in other MMo's for years! Think Rallos Zek in EQ way back in '99 which led to team PvP servers etc, etc, ad infinitum. IIRC Everquest used the term "Smurf" in reference to the blue names while I played. True. The players were "Smurfs" but the non-PvP servers were "Carebear" servers sig was here
L70Rogue State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:42:00 - [53] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 23/03/2008 18:24:23 Originally by: Simon Wiesenthal What you have to remember about games like Eve, is that they attract all the crybabys who suck at online FPS. And the reason they suck? Online FPSs are a level playing field where all that matters is your skill and reaction time. Quoting for truth, The majority of MMORPG players suck at games where they are unable to hide behind experience points and time and grind sinks. That's why they ***** about "twitch" gameplay or tend to whine or quit when their I-win button gets changed, it doesn't just apply to FPS it applies to RTS and MMOs without SP or XP "character progression". But on saying that EVE isn't such a good example of this as it doesn't seem to attract the typical MMORPG 1337 kiddies and I know from experience that a good chunk of EVE players can do the business in games like TF2, its also worth pointing out that EVE pvp mirrors RTS gameplay as it leans towards intensive tactical micromanagement and is far more than F1-F8. You sound bitter and jealous of people with more SP and must suck at this game. FPS take no skill at all sorry they are for children and monkeys.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Taius Pax Originally by: Cipher7 Sociopathic implies that we're not playing a game, that we're doing RL work and other people are ruining it for their enjoyment. Sociopathic means you exhibit asocial/antisocial behavior. No more, no less. Because it's occurring in a game we don't lock you up for life or give you the death penalty. Right so if you shoot people in BF2 you're a sociapath? Eve is a pvp game, if you don't like the possibility of getting killed, go play something else.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:47:00 - [55] Originally by: L70Rogue You sound bitter and jealous of people with more SP and must suck at this game. FPS take no skill at all sorry they are for children and monkeys. Sorry but BF2 pwns Eve, CS pwns Eve, Quake pws Eve and Halo pwns Eve. In fact let me just say categorically that FPS > MMORPG x 100 in every way from fun to skill to replay value. Just because alot of us play many different games (including Eve) dont ever get the idea that Eve is the best thing since sliced bread. It's not. MMORPG's in general are a waste of RAM and Eve is pretty much the only one I can stomach.
Qutan University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:30:00 - [56] Edited by: Qutan on 23/03/2008 19:30:26 For goodness sake every player in eve is a carebear get over it . Not a pirate I just love the
The Geoman Anarchos Industrial Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:52:00 - [57] So many definitions, so little time. How about: "a carebear is someone who doesn't play the game the way that I want them to."
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: L70Rogue You sound bitter and jealous of people with more SP and must suck at this game. FPS take no skill at all sorry they are for children and monkeys. Sorry but BF2 pwns Eve, CS pwns Eve, Quake pws Eve and Halo pwns Eve. In fact let me just say categorically that FPS > MMORPG x 100 in every way from fun to skill to replay value. Just because alot of us play many different games (including Eve) dont ever get the idea that Eve is the best thing since sliced bread. It's not. MMORPG's in general are a waste of RAM and Eve is pretty much the only one I can stomach. FPS leave me bored within a few minutes. Don't confuse "I like FPS games" with "Halo > EvE" I've played Halo, and while it's slick, fast, noisy and pretty, it's also repetitive, shallow, repetitive, simple, repetitive and repetitive. Basically it's a great game for an hour of unwinding after work on a Friday, when you want a game where you can ***** open a cold beer, put some loud music on, kind of trance out, blow up 10 rats a minute and not really think beyond the next ammo pack or cover point. That's great; it's also the polar opposite of EvE. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:08:00 - [59] Originally by: L70Rogue You sound bitter and jealous of people with more SP and must suck at this game. FPS take no skill at all sorry they are for children and monkeys. Explain how watching timer tick away takes skill? also FYI I don't "suck" at this game I do ok I admit I'm far from the top level yet but yes I do resent the fact that when you reach a certain point SP does hold you back longer than is necessary. Originally by: Cipher7 Sorry but BF2 pwns Eve, CS pwns Eve, Quake pws Eve and Halo pwns Eve. In fact let me just say categorically that FPS > MMORPG x 100 in every way from fun to skill to replay value. Just because alot of us play many different games (including Eve) dont ever get the idea that Eve is the best thing since sliced bread. It's not. MMORPG's in general are a waste of RAM and Eve is pretty much the only one I can stomach. I prefer RTS games over FPS but I have to agree by large the MMORPG genre sucks ass, poor graphics and outdated gameplay and mechanics are the accepted standard and MMORPGs are usually 3-5 years behind other genres in these aspects and most fantasy MMOs are around the KOTOR level which is a 2003 game, in short the whole genre is crud and EVE is also the only MMORPG I play and that's because spaceships are cool and for the pvp and it being in general superior to everything else. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:14:00 - [60] Eve is the only MMO I am willing to pay money to play. So, I'm not an MMO type of player. I've played a handful of FPS, and even though I enjoy games like BF2 and CS:S, I really do suck at "twitch" gameplay. RTS is probably the easiest type of game for me to wrap my head around, but I tend to cruise through single player mode instead of try a challenge. At heart, I'm a builder, not a fighter. I'm not good at FPS games, but I enjoy the teamwork and loud noises. In Eve, I started out as a pure carebear who was more interested in collecting stuff and chatting with other players (Surfin knows, I was always chatting it up in our noob corp chat). But I moved on. Turns out, 0.0 players are more sociable than high-sec ones. And PvP is exhilarating, giving me a purpose to earn isk, train skills and buy ships. --- Join BH-DL Skills

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