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April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:50:00 - [1] Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 21:50:41 I know they are awesome ships, but I think CCP needs to recheck them, in particular that "Infinite Point Tackle" script. Not only WCStabs were rendered useless with the appearance of Heavy Interdictors (Originally intended to tackle Capital Ships, they are as common as interceptors nowadays). Not only WCStabs were rendered useless but the whole Blockade Runner class as well. So CCP is encouraging the use of alts to scout possible gatecamps (since it's now the only viable option) or either they should do a reality check for Heavy Interdictors.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:53:00 - [2] You know, I think it was a CCP developer (on the last alliance tournament) that said he wanted to completely remove warp core stabs from the game. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:54:00 - [3] I'd love WCStabs to be removed from the game. You have my support. But a whole ship class such as Blockade Runners?
Uhr Zylex No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:56:00 - [4] Originally by: April Knox I'd love WCStabs to be removed from the game. You have my support. But a whole ship class such as Blockade Runners? That's a nice contradiction you got there
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:58:00 - [5] Yep. CCP is contradicting themselves by having something called "Blockade Runners" that can't run any blockade at all nowadays.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:59:00 - [6] Originally by: April Knox Yep. CCP is contradicting themselves by having something called "Blockade Runners" that can't run any blockade at all nowadays. Sure they can... most of them can warp before the HIC even gets a lock... and its not as though they have interceptors sitting there instalocking you with sentry guns... (If your complaint is about 0.0, you get no sympathy from me). -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:01:00 - [7] Put at least 4 Scan Resolution Sensor Boosters on an Onix and you have a faster locking time than most interceptors.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:01:00 - [8] And 0.0 is out of the question. I'm talking about low.sec only (hence why I referred to the Infinite Point script).
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:03:00 - [9] Originally by: April Knox Put at least 4 Scan Resolution Sensor Boosters on an Onix and you have a faster locking time than most interceptors. And a tank that can't tank sentry guns. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:04:00 - [10] I think a good solution would be to give them instead of "Infinite Points" only a single point that can work on capitals. Doesn't sound like a good solution?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: April Knox Put at least 4 Scan Resolution Sensor Boosters on an Onix and you have a faster locking time than most interceptors. Be constructive please. I'm trying to make this game a better one. You are too fond of your HIC.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:07:00 - [12] Originally by: April Knox Be constructive please. I'm trying to make this game a better one. You are too fond of your HIC. Be constructive please, I'm trying to keep this game a better one. You are too fond of your blockade runner. BTW, I don't own a HIC. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:08:00 - [13] I'm being constructive and giving possible solutions Miss. What are you doing that can be referred as constructive?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:09:00 - [14] Originally by: April Knox I think a good solution would be to give them instead of "Infinite Points" only a single point that can work on capitals. Doesn't sound like a good solution? No, that doesn't sound like a good solution, sorry. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:09:00 - [15] Originally by: April Knox I'm being constructive and giving possible solutions Miss. What are you doing that can be referred as constructive? Correcting your misperceptions is constructive. =) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:09:00 - [16] Why not? Can you give me some reasons?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:11:00 - [17] Originally by: April Knox Why not? Can you give me some reasons? Because the HIC is there to also counter the 5 WCS fitted Ravens. Besides, there's nothing wrong with them as it stands. Its not as though blockade runners can't outrun anything that can possibly gatecamp them. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: April Knox Why not? Can you give me some reasons? Because the HIC is there to also counter the 5 WCS fitted Ravens. Besides, there's nothing wrong with them as it stands. Its not as though blockade runners can't outrun anything that can possibly gatecamp them. -Liang So the reason of HICs to exist is to counter 5WCS fitted ravens? What can such a ship do against someone? Target his own nose? CCP stated that HICs were introduced to tackle capitals, that's their main role at which they already excel.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:16:00 - [19] Originally by: April Knox So the reason of HICs to exist is to counter 5WCS fitted ravens? What can such a ship do against someone? Target his own nose? CCP stated that HICs were introduced to tackle capitals, that's their main role at which they already excel. You'd be surprised what they can do. They're also there to target supercapitals. There is quite a difference. But let me get this straight... you're asking to nerf a ship class because you can fit four sensor boosters on an Onyx and still not be able to tank the sentry guns to catch a blockade runner for all of 1 second before it's out of scram range. And that's freaking bloody if you lock it before it warps off. Got it. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:21:00 - [20] I'm not asking for a nerf Miss. I'm asking for a reality check after they are introduced and see how people is using them. Same thing happened with the regular dictors now aggressing when they drop a bubble. Do you think that was a nerf?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/03/2008 22:24:01 Originally by: April Knox I'm not asking for a nerf Miss. I'm asking for a reality check after they are introduced and see how people is using them. Same thing happened with the regular dictors now aggressing when they drop a bubble. Do you think that was a nerf? Considering how many of them that I've killed expressly because of this, yes. I would consider it a nerf. -Liang Ed: BTW, I'm a dude. Married, and have several kids. Stop calling me miss FFS. -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:26:00 - [22] I'm amazed you blame game mechanics as the reason why you get your kills. That can describe you as an exploiter instead of a good pvper.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:28:00 - [23] Originally by: April Knox I'm amazed you blame game mechanics as the reason why you get your kills. That can describe you as an exploiter instead of a good pvper. Blaming game mechanics? No. It's called intelligently playing the game. Something you might try sometime. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:28:00 - [24] Anyhow, I just started this post to get new perspectives and a constructive discussion on how the new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used, not a forum fight. New inputs will be appreciated.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/03/2008 22:31:43 Originally by: April Knox Anyhow, I just started this post to get new perspectives and a constructive discussion on how the new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used, not a forum fight. New inputs will be appreciated. Well, you kindof ignored my inputs because they didn't suit your point of view. You're looking to nerf heavy interdictors so that you can fly around "safe" in your blockade runner. Most blockade runners that I've talked to simply are not worried about running into a HIC (well, not worried any more than they are when they jump into any gatecamp). -Liang Ed: Formatting -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/03/2008 22:31:43 Well, you kindof ignored my inputs because they didn't suit your point of view. You're looking to nerf heavy interdictors so that you can fly around "safe" in your blockade runner. Most blockade runners that I've talked to simply are not worried about running into a HIC (well, not worried any more than they are when they jump into any gatecamp). -Liang I did not ignore your input Miss. I hardly ever fly a crane, only now and then to haul stuff for carrier jumps. I'm mainly a ceptor pilot and couldn't care less. What I'm concerned about is CCP rendering whole Ship classes useless. (Read Assault Frigs in some cases). Anyhow, I just started this post to get new perspectives and a constructive discussion on how the new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used, not a forum fight. New inputs will be appreciated.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:44:00 - [27] Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 22:44:52 I would like to stress that I'm not after a nerf. I only want a reality check about the way new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used. Such reality checks should be done in every new ship class introduced. New inputs will be appreciated. Edit: Typos.
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:50:00 - [28] Originally by: April Knox Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 22:44:52 I would like to stress that I'm not after a nerf. I only want a reality check about the way new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used. Such reality checks should be done in every new ship class introduced. New inputs will be appreciated. Edit: Typos. reality check of HIC's: they were a needed boost for low-sec piracy, wich was dwindling. and no, I'm not a pirate. you have a problem with pirates? CCP provided the tools to counter them (and I'm not talking about alt scouts) --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:51:00 - [29] Originally by: April Knox Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 22:44:52 I would like to stress that I'm not after a nerf. I only want a reality check about the way new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used. Such reality checks should be done in every new ship class introduced. New inputs will be appreciated. Edit: Typos. there was a very nice news post that went over exactly how hics were being used. normally news posts are LOL or meh, but this was woo!
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Grimpak ok I think someone here is not getting the point. and I'm not talking about liang, whom while I sometimes get "wtf?" about some stuff, I am pretty sure that knows how the game is. LOL Grimpak. <3 You know what's really funny is that we could probably get most of the major forum personalities together on a vent server somewhere and hammer out virtually all of the disagreements between us. Well, there'd still be a certain amount of forum politicking (such as keeping someone else from getting a boost, or obtaining one yourself)... but I think most of us have roughly the same opinions. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.

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