Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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Originally by: False Face

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Traidor Disloyal, it's difficult to fight back when you know the other guy has backup waiting. Your point is valid though: maybe we should bring backup too. Except if you're not in a corp. Maybe that's the bottom line for CCP, forced interaction. Which would be a shame, cause some people are just loners by nature.

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I'm a worse case scenario kind of guy. I always assume the target has backup. I always keep local up. I always have a way to know when my target has fellow corp members in system. If local spikes with hostiles I will either kill the target fast or try to get out of Dodge. I always assume the target knows what he is doing until he shows me otherwise. And I try to have a way to get my fat ass out of trouble when I have to.

When I first started playing this game (not with this character) back in 2003 I tried to play has a loner. It didn't work then and it doesn't really work now. You can get away with being a solo player in WoW (I have played WoW on and off since 2005 and it isn't a bad game) but I don't think that Eve is really a solo player game unless you are only a trader or industry person.

It isn't that hard to avoid people like me. The people I interact with I usually only interact with once. That is if they aren't stupid or looking for revenge. I do what I do in this game because I enjoy it. It hit me a long time ago that I don't really care what people think about me. I am what I am. I am not going to change just because someone doesn't like how I play an internet space game within the rules of that game.

I really do feel that after a certain amount of time in game people should be kicked out of NPC corporations and join a player one. My main reasoning for this is that I can not seek vengeance against a person who has besmirched my honor when that person is in an NPC corp. It's kind of like hiding behind your Moms skirt.

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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Originally by: BlindBleu

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Like you statement an internet space game. How does a Internet Space game have honor to besmirch?

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I just like saying "you have besmirched my honor in my internet space game so prepare to die you s****sucking ass wipe puppy dog kicking carebear mission running mommas boy!". It just rolls off the tongue like ice cream on a hot summer day.

I don't RP, I just like to say/write besmirched. What? You got a problem with that?

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Originally by: Kahega Amielden

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so I usually get there first.

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And if he just circles you?>

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The thing I have to wonder is, why do some still say they do it for the isk? Most ninjas I know make less than 20m an hour. A dedicated mission runner, just running the missions and collecting the bounty while forgetting the salvage and loot can make upwards of 50-60m an hour with a pure gank-build.

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They don't do it only for isk. I do it for the same reason I do anything in a game

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Originally by: Kahega Amielden

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No halfway decent ninja will let you get half the wrecks. He's faster than you, and he's more agile than you, and he probably has better skills/salvage equipment than you.

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Originally by: Bullageddon

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Originally by: Caroll Yanaki

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It's a role-playing game and everyone has to play a role of his choosing.
>wall of text<

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You're a carebear "pirate".

And a bad one at that.

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Originally by: Caroll Yanaki

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<snipppage>

You all have your roles and your kicks.
This is my role and my kick.

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Originally by: Kahega Amielden

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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 15/05/2009 19:21:06

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etc etc etc
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Interesting but same old same old.

Any wreck that is not empty belongs to the pilot that wrecked the ship.[FACT]

Empty wrecks are salvage and belong to who ever gets there to use a salvager on it.[FACT]

Right...Wrong....Moral....Ethical....etc That is the current ruling of the CCP devs for right now.

One interesting variation, blow up all empty wrecks, run your salvager on the wrecks that are not empty. This will create a container with the contents of the wreck, any one other than you that takes from that container is flagged Red and can be engaged in combat.

If you chose this variation be prepared for PvP. Remember that if you are able to pod the Ninja Salvager, he will go and get a gank ship he believes will allow him to pod you. If you do not succeed in podding the Ninja Salvager, but yourself are podded, welcome to the Eve PvP school of hard knocks.

Remember that he may have to go thru all the acceleration gates to get back to where he was podded. If he does have to go thru the accel gates, have some fleet mates waiting at the exits from those accel gates. Nothing like coming in what you hope is a gank ship and see 4+ ships waiting for the accel warp bubble to cease so they can pod the Ninja Salvager again.

But if you not prepared to engage in prolonged PvP engagement, warp out and dock until the aggression timer runs out. Yes you may not complete the mission but he will not be able to return the podding favor and not get any loot/salvage from you.

As for Podding from Kahega Amielden by Battle Clinic stats he has 28 LOSSES to 13 KILLS.

For an interesting information look up the kills stats of some of the Ninja Salvager's that have posted here. Battleclinic has some information on this.
Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired.
"I have a Plan, a good one." Generally means it is not.
If Yellow it get a Fellow Killed

Originally by: Maxwell Terallis

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Originally by: BlindBleu

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Any wreck that is not empty belongs to the pilot that wrecked the ship.[FACT]

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Wrong. Any wreck belongs to no one, whether it has loot on it or not.

If I salvage the wreck of a mission runner and it is not empty, I simply salvage the wreck, and the loot is left in a can for the mission runner. No aggression flag is received.

At no point in time do wrecks belong to anyone.

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Originally by: Kahega Amielden

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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 16/05/2009 04:26:03

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As for Podding from Kahega Amielden by Battle Clinic stats he has 28 LOSSES to 13 KILLS.
For an interesting information look up the kills stats of some of the Ninja Salvager's that have posted here. Battleclinic has some information on this.

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Look here folks. I'm about to make a stats warrior look stupid and petty.

For one, most of my PVP experience is as a FC/Scout in a covert ops (And I don't fit a TP for KB whoring).

Two, I rat/explore/etc. sometimes in lowsec, which naturally makes me a target...unlike some people in this thread who just sit in hisec until they go out looking for targets.

And thirdly... KB stats tell you as much about a player as the smell of his droppings, especially when your point of reference is battleclinic which relies on people uploading everything.

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Originally by: Jen Kobayashi

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First attempt at this the other day, I managed to scan down a battleship in about ten minutes - probably took longer than necessary as I'm not entirely familiar with the scanning interface - and warped in on a room full of shiny wrecks waiting to be salvaged. Much to my dismay there was already someone else in there ninja'ing the guy's wrecks. Swiping wrecks from under mission runners' noses is one thing, but I won't stoop (quite) as low as stealing from other salvagers...

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