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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 -
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Do you like the smell of alloyed tritanium bars? Do you like tasting whiny missionrunner tears? If so, then ninjasalvaging might be for you.
Background
Ninjasalvaging, as you might already know, is the act of probing down hisec mission runners and salvaging the wrecks they leave behind. As you can imagine, this ****es off a lot of missionrunners and as such has lead to a lot of delicious tears on these very forums.
However, it is a very profitable venture, and fun as well.
Skills you need/want
-Astrometrics. Depending on the type of probe you want to use (will be discussed later), you will need different levels of this
-Astrometric Pinpointing/Triangulation. I'd train these up a little bit so your scans are more precise. Pinpointing I don't think is as important unless you plan to use recon probes (again will be discussed later)
-Signal Acquisition. Lowers your scan time, most important if you use scanner probes, but very useful nonetheless
-Salvaging. Requires Survey III. Level I will work, but 3-4 makes for faster salvaging
Ships
First, you want a scanship. The best scanship is a covert ops frigate, due to the 10% decreased scan time per level of covert ops. However, if you can't use those, just use a tech 1 astrometrics frigate (Imicus, Probe, etc.). They have a scan time bonus of 5% per level of racial frigatel.
Then, slap a couple Gravity Capacitor Rigs on it (about 4 mil per). Again, not 100% necessary, but very useful as it decreases your scan time.
Then, you need a salvage ship. This is not a destroyer. You can't use tractor beams, so don't bother trying.
What you want it something fast, something that can zip around from wreck to wreck, salvage, and move on. You may need cargo capacity/survivability if you want to loot and/or bait the missionrunner, again will be discussed later. I personally use a Slasher frigate with 3x salvagers, an AB, small cap battery, and an overdrive injector.
Finding A System
What you want is a crowded mission hub. Look for high-quality level 4 kill mission agents, especially for Caldari, and then use the starmap (f10) to check the population of the systems with those agents. If you see both high quality level 4 kill agents AND a huge population, you have found yourself a mission hub! Personally, I use Dodixie, many others use Motsu.
Methods of Scanning
There are two ways to scan down missionrunners.
1) This is the most simple. You just drop down recon probes (Fanthoms, snoops, etc.) down to cover the whole system, and scan until you find something. They have a very low sensor strength, so the chance to find an individual runner is low. However, with probes covering every inch of the system, you're bound to find one. Also, recon probes can be loaded into recon probe launchers, which scan very quickly. Remember that one probe can't be within another probe's scan radius, so pick your placement carefully. Also, shorter-range probes have higher scan strengths, thus higher chances to pick people up in missions, so be aware of this.
When you scan, sit in the solar system map. If you go into the scanner and select your probes, the solar system map will show you exactly how much coverage you have. When the system is thoroughly covered, select DRONE AND PROBES, and SHIPS, and then hit analyze. In the solar system map, you will see circles denoting every hit. If you see a ship that you think might be running missions (Like a Domininx, Raven, etc), warp to it.
If you see a drone, this very well might be a mission, but at the same time it might just be probes forgotten by missionrunners past.
2) My preferred method is the scan probe method. It involves warping around to bookmarks, getting within 4 AU of some missionrunners, and using scan probes. This is much more precise due to the high scan strength of scan probes, but has a short range.
firstly, you need to get some bookmarks out in the middle of nowhere. You have many ways to do this.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 -
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Reserved
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:29:00 -
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Reserved
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Polyvalent
EDF-CYNO
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Posted - 2008.03.24 19:49:00 -
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Very cool, Kahega. Thanks for the info.
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Myshella Drake
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.24 20:29:00 -
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Very nice guide, pretty much covers all the basics. For my salvage boat i use a thorax, its fast enough even with 3 tackle rigs, decent armor, and enough cargo to take in the largest wrecks(160m3)
Fitting:
4x Salvager I 1x Small tractor beam I ....... 10mn AB II 10mn MWD II Large peroxide capacitor cell I ....... 2x Overdrive injector II 3X interia stab II ...... 3x Salvage tackle I
Just two pieces of advice to add:
1)be sure to fit inertia stabs to your scanning ship, quite often you will find yourself warping in on NPCs and you need a quick getaway.
2) I recommend fitting 1 tractor to your salvage boat, not to tractor wrecks but to carry a can along behind you and fill it with metal scraps. ------------------
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Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.03.24 20:30:00 -
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Salvage aside, this is an well-written guide for all probers out there.
nice work. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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goober nuts
Crabby's
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Posted - 2008.03.24 21:35:00 -
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i tend to use a vexor with 50m3 of drones to kill scrammers if i get caught and the other 50 if they leave drones... i also put in a dc
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.03.25 02:07:00 -
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i recomend a crusader(inty) or a retribution(af) for ninja salvageing. i dont do it often but it works like this. the crusader is fast even with only an ab and got 4 highs to salvage with, it also got lots of lows for expanders. the retribution got a godlike tank for a frig so it wont insta pop if you some how manages to get aggro...
another great ship for ninja salvagieing is the stabber...
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catheleen
IADS Holdings
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:07:00 -
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Great guide, thanks alot!
You got an idea on how much ISK per Hour this can earn in high sec?
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Myshella Drake
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Posted - 2008.03.26 04:05:00 -
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It largely depends on how lucky you are in your take. Roughly guessing, i can get anything from 5-15 mil (often the former) a run selling it straight to the market. A run is usually about an hour and a half (including probing times),sometimes less. However thats assuming you already have the probe BMs set up, you know exactly what your doing and have a decent speed setup. Its possibly more profitable in other races mission hubs, i only work in the motsu area currently. ------------------
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 05:00:00 -
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Dunno, I tend to get a bit more in Dodixie. I've gotten 1 alloyed trit bars inside of a few minutes before.
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Gabriel Aaron
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.26 07:45:00 -
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You're better off just salvaging Battleship wrecks. All the other wrecks kind of suck.
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Polly Prissypantz
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.26 09:56:00 -
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All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
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Iced Earth
Goat Riders
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Posted - 2008.03.26 10:13:00 -
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Much more fun being a jackass then creating your own wrecks.
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Sigul Siento
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.26 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sigul Siento on 26/03/2008 10:24:47
Originally by: Gabriel Aaron You're better off just salvaging Battleship wrecks. All the other wrecks kind of suck.
Once you've found a nice field, there's little point in leaving any wrecks behind. Since you're already there and all.
And Polly, it's not just about getting the most ISK/hour
And stick around if you think you see an irrational/ebay'd missionrunner, that might attack you and get blown up by CONCORD. I've gotten some very nice stuff that way. Also, some missionrunners actually manage to get killed by the mission rats. Keep an eye out for that and you might net yourself both faction mods and T2-salvage.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2008.03.26 16:53:00 -
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Nice guide, although wreck theft is a bit annoying I find it funny how emo people get on the subject instead of just moving to another less-populated system, I had 1 wreck thief show up in my last mission on the last day i missioned in dodixie, ninja looters + the lag makes playing in those systems moronic, so more power to ya!
If you dont like it, move systems.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/03/2008 17:02:46
Quote: All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Ninjasalvaging is a great source of carebear tears, which 0.0 alliances use to fuel their POSes.
As to ISK/Hour: I tend to get a lot. I find that I can usually track down individual sites very quickly, so it's usually not worth my time to run around going for all the frig wrecks.
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Myshella Drake
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob? ------------------
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Polly Prissypantz
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?
I know this is just a game and all, and the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting, but there's so many options in Eve on what you can do for enjoyment and satisfaction. You may think it's not the case, but how you get your kicks in-game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life (or at least, what you'd like to be like in real life if there weren't bigger, badder people inclined to show you the error of your ways were you to act that way in real life).
Now, some people choose to be peaceful and carebear and don't really get in anyone's way. Others choose to go live out in 0.0 and shoot at each other, where the challenge is real and any killing/greifing is generally an accepted way of life. Then there's low-sec pirates who, for the most part aren't too bad since after all, they are in low-sec, so if they gank you it's mostly your own fault.
And then there's lowlife losers who do crap like can flipping, suicide-ganking and stealing other peoples salvage knowing full well that there's not much the victim can do about it (for the record I've never been a victim of any of these activities, so sorry, no 'carebear tears' from me (I figured I wasn't being cool unless I included 'carebear tears' in my post since all the cool kids are)). Now I know, these are all well within the rules of the game. I'm not arguing against that. But at the end of the day, you know that there's another person on the other end who you're directly impacting by your lame choice of entertainment and self-gratification. Rather than putting any attempt into actually going out and challenging yourself, you'd rather take the easy route and just pick on the easy targets and then pat yourselves on the back at a job well done.
Each to his own I guess. Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
I know this is just a game and all...
Wise words, but then you typed a bunch of judgmental nonsense.
* * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Polly Prissypantz
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
I know this is just a game and all...
Wise words, but then you typed a bunch of judgmental nonsense.
Ya all that 'judgemental nonsense' would kinda suck if was in any way professing to be neutral on the subject.
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Myshella Drake
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?
I know this is just a game and all, and the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting, but there's so many options in Eve on what you can do for enjoyment and satisfaction. You may think it's not the case, but how you get your kicks in-game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life (or at least, what you'd like to be like in real life if there weren't bigger, badder people inclined to show you the error of your ways were you to act that way in real life).
Now, some people choose to be peaceful and carebear and don't really get in anyone's way. Others choose to go live out in 0.0 and shoot at each other, where the challenge is real and any killing/greifing is generally an accepted way of life. Then there's low-sec pirates who, for the most part aren't too bad since after all, they are in low-sec, so if they gank you it's mostly your own fault.
And then there's lowlife losers who do crap like can flipping, suicide-ganking and stealing other peoples salvage knowing full well that there's not much the victim can do about it (for the record I've never been a victim of any of these activities, so sorry, no 'carebear tears' from me (I figured I wasn't being cool unless I included 'carebear tears' in my post since all the cool kids are)). Now I know, these are all well within the rules of the game. I'm not arguing against that. But at the end of the day, you know that there's another person on the other end who you're directly impacting by your lame choice of entertainment and self-gratification. Rather than putting any attempt into actually going out and challenging yourself, you'd rather take the easy route and just pick on the easy targets and then pat yourselves on the back at a job well done.
Each to his own I guess. Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.
Now...i could waste a good half hour totally ridiculing your post because of the immense amount of judgmental bull**** contained in it. But i think that anyone with enough brains can read the **** that comes out of your mouth and come to the same conclusion as i did.
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting
To you maybe, but not to many other people.
----- Also if you haven't got anything of value to add to this Ninja salvaging guide other than bad mouthing people you know nothing about, i kindly suggest you leave. ------------------
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Ya all that 'judgemental nonsense' would kinda suck if was in any way professing to be neutral on the subject.
Well, I'm glad to see you're conceding the nonsense part, at least. As far as the descriptor goes, I wasn't criticizing you for having an opinion. Just a sanctimonious and absurd one.
Interesting thought: What if it were harder to discern someone's RL personality from their choice of career in an intentionally dark and cutthroat imaginary spaceship game than by how prone they are to calling other people jackasses and losers on the internet.
No, that can't be right. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Oldin Kinrod
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz blah blah blah... and stealing other peoples salvage ... blah blah blah
Prove to me that they are your wrecks. Go on...
You can't - and I can prove that.
Quote: What are wrecks? When a ship is destroyed, whether it is a player ship or an NPC ship, it leaves a wreck. The modules and items from the cargohold that are not destroyed in the ship's explotion, can be looted. In addition to this, raw materials can be extracted from the wreck by using salvaging. The materials salvaged can be sold on the market or used to create rigs. Note that anyone can salvage materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship, while looting items from a wreck can get you flagged and a legal target for the owner.
But of course you're not actually going to take this on board, just like every other mission runner that whines about how "they spent the time to kill the rats blah blah blah.." Wrecks are the property of the ship owner that they came from IF ANYONE. There have been countless thread on this topic and have given countless ways to stop these "theives" from "stealing your" wrecks. Heck, even this thread tells you how they do it!
But you feel a little better about yourself by coming onto this forums and spouting that it's not fair that you cannot shoot them - MOVE TO LOW SEC THEN! But what about the ebil piwates? MOVE OUT OF MOTSU/DODIXIE/ETC!
It takes very little brain power to reaslise that the reason it's so "easy" to probe mission runners is because they all sit in one system doing missions. This GUARANTEES at least one hit on a mission runner.
And before you try saying I'm hiding behind the anonymity of the net - I'd tell you the same in person, but a lot louder. And don't try labeling me as "one of those theives", I run my own missions and salvage them too - never had a single intrusion because I stay away from the crowds.
Please excuse the harshness that probably comes out in this - but it's been a rough day and I needed to vent, but if the mission runners that whine about this would take the time and effort to realise how easy it is to combat this "problem" they might be a bit happier. People stealing your wrecks? Players intruding your missions? |
Myshella Drake
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32 @ Oldin
You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me . Thank you ------------------
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Oldin Kinrod
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Myshella Drake Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32 @ Oldin
You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me . Thank you
That was calm?!?! I like to think of it more like a spew of rage that's been building since I started trying to explain to mission runners that they were wrong in their assumptions.
Most of these threads that are coming up now I keep an eye on to see where they are going, and will interject when I feel a need to clear up a major point that others seem to miss (for example, the above). Once people realise that the only rewards that a mission entitles you to is the rewards/bonus/LP then maybe this topic can be put to rest...
But I somehow doubt that will happen... People stealing your wrecks? Players intruding your missions? |
Myshella Drake
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Originally by: Myshella Drake Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32 @ Oldin
You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me . Thank you
That was calm?!?! I like to think of it more like a spew of rage that's been building since I started trying to explain to mission runners that they were wrong in their assumptions.
Okay calm is the wrong word here, i should say, a nasty fashion than alot of other people
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L70Rogue
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 16:10:00 -
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Found a rokh today with a Magnemetric quest probe o.O
He was doing World's Collide but he was slow so I killed the rats for him lol
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Salliene
Happy Unicorn Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.27 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Fact : When you play monopoly, if everyone agrees not to be a jackass and demand rent for landing on properties and ignore all the "bad" chance and community chest cards, the game is a lot more fun cause everyone wins and has a lot of money!
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Svedge
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Posted - 2008.03.29 17:00:00 -
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Thanks for the great guide, I meet my first rageboy today after I ninjaed the wrecks from his mission. :)
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