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Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.03 13:20:00 -
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Hi, Kahega Amielden.
Please, add copyright (Tamer) and link to original russian guide which you have translated
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Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.03 13:21:00 -
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We are do this since 25.07.2007
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Stealnutz
Mean Angry Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.06.03 14:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Tamer
Hi, Kahega Amielden.
Please, add copyright (Tamer) and link to original russian guide which you have translated
Your guide is terrible. Falsely accusing people of plagiarism is terrible. Go away.
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Verlai
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Posted - 2009.06.03 14:51:00 -
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When I did ninja salvaging, I always liked finding Marauders because I could simply orbit them and salvage everything they tractor in until they gave up and would warp out, giving me free reign of the wrecks.
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Naomi Trucker
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Posted - 2009.06.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verlai
When I did ninja salvaging, I always liked finding Marauders because I could simply orbit them and salvage everything they tractor in until they gave up and would warp out, giving me free reign of the wrecks.
Also the more expensive ship the more changes there are that pilot gets butthurt about salvager. I have seen Marauder pilots waste two hours warping in and out of the mission / go afk and do all kinds of silly stuff that really gimps their isk/hour. Which of course makes it much more funny and reason to stay there for laughs even if you will not get much in the way of salvage. Currently I'm ingame orbiting some Amarr Navy Battleship that is running blockade and shooting wrecks so that the evil salvager can't get any "stolen" salvage. Always good spot to take long afk. :D I have yet to jump out from pilot that shoots wrecks, always have made my mission to make sure that the pilot shoots every single wreck before leaving.
Then again met today very nice and polite chap who initiated convo, chatted a bit and told that he wouldn't mind if I salvage and loot the mission wrecks if I wanted. (Didn't loot though until the guy was gone since you never know... :P)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 16:26:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Tamer
Hi, Kahega Amielden.
Please, add copyright (Tamer) and link to original russian guide which you have translated
I don't speak russian, and the layout of that guide (despite me being unable to read it) is absolutely nothing like my own.
Also, after running it through a translator...My suspicions are confirmed. How the hell can you think my guide was a straight translation of that one? That one's terrible; it provides virtually no information. Its owner made an attempt to update it for the new scanning system, but still tells people to go Caldari Achura for some reason.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:07:00 -
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But now that I found this guide I'll be sure to train up my main for a scan boat and get my salvage alt up to using T2 salvagers 
Recommendations/fittings/tips on how to make a good Gallente ninja pair highly appreciated 
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
We are do this since 25.07.2007
Your Corp is a joke. Suddenly Ninjas owns you. Seriously. Do you have nothing better to do than accuse the Great Kahega Amielden of stealing your silly guide to what we do better than anyone else.
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Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tamer on 03/06/2009 17:24:53
Your "guide" and the term "Ninja" salvaging is exact, almost literal plagiarism of earlier version of our guide, placed to the specified address. To steal not well. Usually I do not visit english sites (include eve-online.com) because i am bad in english. Today i translate this topic and we was really surprised by impudent plagiarism from you.
It was linked here places:
13.8.2007 http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=7397&st=100
14.12.07 http://gs.forum24.ru/?1-5-0-00000001-000-0-0
13.08.2007 http://xsitelab.ru/forum/archive/index.php/t-1112.html
and many other places before your one.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22http%3A%2F%2Feve-online.fatal.ru%2F100kk.php%22&btnG=%CF%EE%E8%F1%EA+%E2+Google&lr=&aq=f&oq=
You arrive ugly, stealing another's products and ideas and giving out them for your ones. Please observe copyright.
Best regards, russian ninja salvaging church.
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Beef Strokenhoff
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I don't speak russian, and the layout of that guide (despite me being unable to read it) is absolutely nothing like my own.
Confirming that Kahega doesn't have the Russian Language Implant and it's not like Babelfish or any other translator is going to be able to translate with any accuracy - your "Russian version" anyway.
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Beef Strokenhoff
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
I do not visit english sites (include eve-online.com) because i am bad in english. Today i translate this topic and we was really surprised by impudent plagiarism from you.
And you think he goes around looking to steal ideas from a Russian site? It's the same argument in reverse! He doesn't speak or read your language so why (IF HE WAS GOING TO PLAGIARIZE) would he go looking on some threads he can't even understand?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:36:00 -
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Your "guide" and the term "Ninja" salvaging is exact, almost literal plagiarism of earlier version of our guide, placed to the specified address. To steal not well. Usually I do not visit english sites (include eve-online.com) because i am bad in english. Today i translate this topic and we was really surprised by impudent plagiarism from you. And, you have stolen not only idea and the text, but also the name of method described.
The "Idea" of ninjasalvaging. Even if you were the first to come up with it (which, again, I heavily doubt), it does not give you alone the right to talk about it. My "text" is nothing like yours; mine actually explains things. Stealing the "name" is stupid...because even if you were the one to coin it, ti doesn't give you the sole right to use it. It's like claiming that Halada can't create a mining guide because someone else created the term "Mining".
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Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:55:00 -
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If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
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Kage Toshimado
Gallente
The Logistical Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
If you have decided to use the English language, I do not forbid you to use it. I only ask you to specify that you recognize in all of your work, whether written or typed, that I was using it before you. Out of respect you know?
(BTW - when the hell did he decide to use your name on anything?)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 03/06/2009 18:21:24
Originally by: Tamer
If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
Look, lets cut the foreplay. Contact me ingame and I'll give you my real name so you can sue me 
Nothing I've done constitutes anything remotely close to plagiarism, even if I -had- seen your guide before today.
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Dayanara Ryell
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:35:00 -
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Gotta love Eve-Search
Looks like "Ninja Salvaging" was recognized by that name at least as far back as 18/4/07 which is a good 3 months before you made your guide. So, no, you did not come up with the name Ninja Salvaging. I think you actually stole all of the information that you have in your guide from the people in the above linked thread.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:38:00 -
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Quick, someone contact the poster. We can sue Tamer for using the word "Ninjasalvaging" without permission!
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Stealnutz
Mean Angry Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
Are you on drugs? Seriously?
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Kage Toshimado
Gallente
The Logistical Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.06.03 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dayanara Ryell
Looks like "Ninja Salvaging" was recognized by that name at least as far back as 18/4/07 which is a good 3 months before you made your guide. So, no, you did not come up with the name Ninja Salvaging.
But... but... he was the first one to use the term ninja salvaging in the Russian language! Wan't he...?! 
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.06.04 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nefrin Maldoes on 04/06/2009 05:37:33
Originally by: Tamer
you stole my Ninja! stuff . . .
I would never believe that Kahega would "steal" a ninja salvaging guide, espically one in Russian.
That being said, you want him to put your "copyright" on his guide, even though, you can't copyright any material that has to do with EVE since it's already under CCP's copyright. Anyone can put a little copyright symbol on a piece of paper (or website) and a date next to it, doesn't mean it actually means anything without proper paperwork behind it.
And if you do get offical, please let me know, because I would love to see the day when you are REALLY sued by CCP for plagirism and copyright infringment based off their scanning and salvaging guides and intellectual property.
On a side note, does anyone else see an interesting parallel here?
Tamer is accusing Kahega of "stealing" something that has his name on it, but that Tamer doesn't actually have any rights to. I hearby nominate Kahega as the "Ultimate Ninja" for having achieved ninja status both ingame and on related game website
BTW, "Ultimate Ninja" is ¬ Nefrin Maldoes, 6-3-2009! I mean 6-3-99, or was it 6-3-89 . . .
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brahiem
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Posted - 2009.06.04 06:27:00 -
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did my first ninja salvage today, didn't get anything out of it but I got the tears of an 03 carebear and got his paladin to shoot all those pretty angel BS wrecks 
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 06:43:23
Originally by: brahiem
did my first ninja salvage today, didn't get anything out of it but I got the tears of an 03 carebear and got his paladin to shoot all those pretty angel BS wrecks
It's even better when they're from 03, but an obvious bought character. I saw an 03 golem shooting torps at frig rats.
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I would never believe that Kahega would "steal" a ninja salvaging guide, espically one in Russian.
That being said, you want him to put your "copyright" on his guide, even though, you can't copyright any material that has to do with EVE since it's already under CCP's copyright.
On a side note, does anyone else see an interesting parallel here?
Tamer is accusing Kahega of "stealing" something that has his name on it, but that Tamer doesn't actually have any rights to. I hearby nominate Kahega as the "Ultimate Ninja" for having achieved ninja status both ingame and on related game website
run google translator onthe ''guide'' he linked.
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.06.04 07:17:00 -
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I did run the translator on the website. Needless to say, baby jesus cried, my eyes are bleeding, and it makes me want to punch babies.
My point was that trying to copyright User Content as original content is flawed, as show in the EULA. That and laughing at someone who claims that their Ninja guide got ninja'd.
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Hayder Neable
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.04 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
Wow, this is just laughable, every post you have made about it is laughable. Your guide is a quarter the length of Kahega's, you don't go anywhere near as in depth, and I find your guide, somewhat, lacking.
I appreciate the English language isn't your first language but I would really try and learn it a hell of a lot better before trying to accuse someone of plagiarism.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.06.04 15:54:00 -
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Hmm, the Russian dude is proving what I have thought all along: ninja salvagers have too big an ego. They're carebears preying on carebears but don't you dare say it to their face :D
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot
Hmm, the Russian dude is proving what I have thought all along: ninja salvagers have too big an ego. They're carebears preying on carebears but don't you dare say it to their face :D
I've copyrighted the term "carebear" and I don't recall giving you permission to use it.
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brahiem
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Posted - 2009.06.04 17:08:00 -
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It's even better when they're from 03, but an obvious bought character. I saw an 03 golem shooting torps at frig rats.
lol it actually was an '03 char
told him he was just wasting ISK by shooting the wrecks and he just bragged he had 5 bil, I need to find this guy in low sec soon
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Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.04 18:01:00 -
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Larceny remains larceny irrespective of, in what text contains more of words
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer
Larceny remains larceny irrespective of, in what text contains more of words
I repeat: I can give you my contact information if you'd like to sue me |
Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:36:00 -
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It is a question of your conscience and network ethics. |
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