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Lian Xander
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.16 16:08:00 -
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..... and the post still goes on. ________________________________________________
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Elithria
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.16 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arran Ramir
The thing i am mostly annoyed in EvE is the smacktalk and the cryin....errm whining of both sides on each other, but on the other hand, it makes up for some hillarious reading at times :P
You are right your post was funny.
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Angel Mortalitas
Amarr Star Phukkers Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.05.17 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lian Xander
...My ilk? ...My ilk? (Hey, that almost looks like "milk" ... mmmm, milk)
Goes well with cookies
Anyhoo, nice guide Kahega. Very useful. I and a mate will likely be putting your advice in to action very soon
As my "main" main is a full blown MR I can say that ninjas are (no offence meant) a minor annoyance but I understand that they are trying to make a living in their chosen profession or just plain trying to have fun. So what if they "steal" your wrecks....they weren't yours to begin with, otherwise a ninja would be immediately flagged but they aren't. So deal with it.
I'll tell you the one thing I absolutely love about ninjas...when one gets stupid/cokky (stupid censor), or just plain baiting, and loot a can. Here is a perfect opportunity to go grab my PvP rig and have a little fun. Mission running can be so mind-numbingly boring that I often welcome the distraction and if I do pop their ship I never smack them in local either. Haha, I even often return their loot as thanks for the fun if they want it.
Mission runners, ninja-ing (is that a word?) is a legitimate game mechanic so find ways to beat it. Everything in this game has a counter, you just need to find.
Or you could do like I'm going to do and join the fun.
Cya out there
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.05.24 20:53:00 -
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Just glanced at Tuesday's patch notes, still not seeing anything about fixing the scan bug that has been going on for awhile. Has anyone heard anything at all about when/if this is going to get fixed? ------------------------------------------------ SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES! |
Fortune Favoured
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Posted - 2009.05.25 02:41:00 -
[515]
tl;dr
However I'm going to apply my newly acquired tech 4 device to the thread and milk all those delicious tears into my ninja salaving ship. This should fuel me for a few years to come.
I thank you.
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Wongdong
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:19:00 -
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so here goes nothing... i was bored today and read pretty much the whole damn threadbut i did get bored from reading the same thing from both sides over and over after about the middle of the 15th page i have run missions and find them extremely boring(granted they produce some nice isk flow).i have run salvaging ops running belts for quite a few jumps(usually about 40jumps frome home to back).that is boring aswell.but at the same time it is better than missioning in my eyes.until i read the op i had no idea i could use those scanning skills i have to probe out missions.(thanks to kahega there)
now to the point... i do not salvage for tears,i do it for the millions it puts in my wallet.if i can find a way to increase those millions,im not gonna let anyone stop me from doing it.whenever i salvage the belts i have had people cry to me about me taking thier wrecks,my simple reply is that they still get the loot,then i just ignore the rest of the saline coming from them and continue doing my job.eve is a competitive mmo,if i happen to get to a wreck 1st,then you're just sh!t outta luck.i have seen posts from miners in these forums crying about how other miners have come and minedTHIERrocks. that sounds to me like what alot of the missioners are saying about salvagers.as far as i can see,there is risk to the salvager in mission deadspaces: 1.being suicided by the missioner 2.the missioner leading the aggro to the salvager and gtfo to switch aggro 3.popping wrecks(<- that has to be the dumbest thing b/c no one gets anything) 4.dropping the mission and on and on and on. there is skill on both sides of the argument,anyone that says otherwise is blind.the way i see it,the more people that salvage,the lower the prices of the rigs that everyone loves so much.(i know i want lower priced rigs)
in conclusion: salvaging does have it's risk vs. reward.missioning has risk vs. reward.and everything in eve has other people competeing for the same thing you want.(as does RL) carpe diem holds true in eve as in real life.if you don't sieze the day,you're left standing at the start line and wondering why you're not getting anywhere.
/peace and be easy(no sense in having a heart attack over a game)
p.s. and to all you people paying for 2 accounts in an MMO,do you have any friends or do you just like shelling out double what i pay for the illusion of having friends?
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking |
Dodgy Past
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 25/05/2009 16:47:27 When popping wrecks consider if you buy rigs or not because you're just driving up the prices.
Obviously a fair few people in this thread are just griefers, if you're not in a position to do anything then ignore them and they'll lose their satisfaction.
Otherwise just beat them at their game, goad then to steal loot and find out any mates that can bring a tackler, have your own tackle fitted to surprise them, aggro the whole room then warp out, war dec them and go hunting them in the more popular mission destinations.... they'll be easy enough to find.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nefrin Maldoes Just glanced at Tuesday's patch notes, still not seeing anything about fixing the scan bug that has been going on for awhile. Has anyone heard anything at all about when/if this is going to get fixed?
No idea, but there are workarounds, so it's not a huge deal.
Anyway, I think I'll go troll Halada's mining guide and complain about ninjaminers mining the asteroids as I was ratting. |
Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:23:00 -
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To add to the list of CCP Devs stating there is nothing wrong or broken with wreck salvaging....
CCP Mitnal just posted today:
Originally by: "CCP Mitnal"
Our policy on this is extremely clear, if it were considering changing it, we will inform the player base.
Sslvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing.
This was the final post of a locked thread where a mission runner was complaining about salvagers stealing wrecks. You can see the locked thread with Mitnal's post at the end here.
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Publius Arens
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:27:00 -
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I've only gotten "ninja looted" a couple of times. I don't play on the weekends very often. The experience reminded me of a time in which I was donating time at the local senior rec center, we were playing chess on one of those built in table chessboards, with the pieces provided by the center. Somebody's grandchild ran by and stole the white bishop, I was playing white. I suppose I didn't technically own the piece, which is why the child said he didn't have to give it back. And you can't go and hit somebody's kid, so he can just do whatever he wants, especially since it annoys somebody who is just trying to play their fun game.
cheers
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Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Publius Arens I've only gotten "ninja looted" a couple of times. I don't play on the weekends very often. The experience reminded me of a time in which I was donating time at the local senior rec center, we were playing chess on one of those built in table chessboards, with the pieces provided by the center. Somebody's grandchild ran by and stole the white bishop, I was playing white. I suppose I didn't technically own the piece, which is why the child said he didn't have to give it back. And you can't go and hit somebody's kid, so he can just do whatever he wants, especially since it annoys somebody who is just trying to play their fun game.
cheers
Not quite.... If you were ninja looted, then the person stole from one of your cans, and they were flagged for attack to you and your corporation. You could have done something about that.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:38:00 -
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Nice guide. Kind of wish I read all of this before, I taught myself for the most part how to hunt down mission runners and what to do if they attack back etc etc.
But indeed, nice guide.
From a fellow ninja salvager - I salute you.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 04:01:00 -
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This thing is still going?
To the mission runners who are still complaining about how it is unfair that people come into their mission and take the salvage from the wreaks: To bad, get over it. I will probe down mission runners because I find it entertaining. I will loot and salvage the wreaks because I can. You have no way of stopping me other then shooting the wreaks or taking a ahot at me. And if by chance the mission runner decides to try and pop my ship I will loot and salvage the mission runners wreak. Sometimes the stuff out of the mission runners wreak is worth more then the salvage from the mission itself.
If you don't like what I do then war dec me. I am fairly certain I will survive your onslaught.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Anda Chiyo
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Posted - 2009.05.26 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal This thing is still going?
To the mission runners who are still complaining about how it is unfair that people come into their mission and take the salvage from the wreaks: To bad, get over it. I will probe down mission runners because I find it entertaining. I will loot and salvage the wreaks because I can. You have no way of stopping me other then shooting the wreaks or taking a ahot at me. And if by chance the mission runner decides to try and pop my ship I will loot and salvage the mission runners wreak. Sometimes the stuff out of the mission runners wreak is worth more then the salvage from the mission itself.
If you don't like what I do then war dec me. I am fairly certain I will survive your onslaught.
This statement and others like it give mission runners one viable solution: shoot the wrecks. Especially considering some ninja salvager's here have already commented on how it's a "stupid thing to do".
To the mission runner - advice on how to deal w/ ninja salvager's.
1. As said before, shoot the wrecks. It'll take you no more than a couple of minutes or so extra to do. Consider it cleanup on your part and get on with the next mission (or whatever else you're doing). There is debate on whether it is more profitable to just churn missions vs. missioning and looting anyhow. Some are more profitable, some less.
2. Do not "feed" the ninja by engaging him or her in any manner. Don't rant in local. Don't convo him. Don't accept convos from him (might want to turn auto-reject convo option on) Don't eve mail him. Save for popping the wrecks, ignore his presence.
* To reaffirm the above, if it happens to you, just shrug it off, pop the wrecks and move on. The ninja may follow you around for a bit to see if he can get a rise out of you (that's his entertainment factor, again don't "feed" him). If you don't feed him in either isk or ego, he'll eventually get bored and move on to other targets. |
Shinjo Bajahnhosuu
Rule of Five
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:31:00 -
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Quote: Just look: ninja gerbils. Already, 100x more awesome.
The winner! This right here made 18 pages worthwhile ...
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anda Chiyo Edited by: Anda Chiyo on 26/05/2009 06:39:18 Edited by: Anda Chiyo on 26/05/2009 06:38:54
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal This thing is still going?
To the mission runners who are still complaining about how it is unfair that people come into their mission and take the salvage from the wreaks: To bad, get over it. I will probe down mission runners because I find it entertaining. I will loot and salvage the wreaks because I can. You have no way of stopping me other then shooting the wreaks or taking a shot at me. And if by chance the mission runner decides to try and pop my ship I will loot and salvage the mission runners wreak. Sometimes the stuff out of the mission runners wreak is worth more then the salvage from the mission itself.
If you don't like what I do then war dec me. I am fairly certain I will survive your onslaught.
This statement and others like it give mission runners one viable solution: shoot the wrecks. Especially considering some ninja salvager's here have already commented on how it's a "stupid thing to do".
Go for it. Shoot the wreaks cause I don't care. You will miss one or maybe you wont. If you care about the salvage then you loose money. If you don't care about the salvage but do care about the loot you are still loosing money. And if you don't care about either loot or salvage then you are wasting time. It doesn't matter to me. My entertainment is showing mission runners that High Sec is not safe, it's just safer.
And I don't care about mission hubs. I do know where a lot of level 4 mission agents reside that are not in mission hubs. And I can still find mission runners in those less populated systems. So, by all means, run. I can still find you where ever you go.
I use to be a mission runner. I know how you think. And one of you, during the night, will shoot at me for getting between you and your precious loot/salvage.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Cynical Rise
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Posted - 2009.05.26 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Go for it. Shoot the wreaks cause I don't care. You will miss one or maybe you wont. If you care about the salvage then you loose money. If you don't care about the salvage but do care about the loot you are still loosing money. And if you don't care about either loot or salvage then you are wasting time. It doesn't matter to me. My entertainment is showing mission runners that High Sec is not safe, it's just safer.
And I don't care about mission hubs. I do know where a lot of level 4 mission agents reside that are not in mission hubs. And I can still find mission runners in those less populated systems. So, by all means, run. I can still find you where ever you go.
I use to be a mission runner. I know how you think. And one of you, during the night, will shoot at me for getting between you and your precious loot/salvage.
Wow people get really worked up on this. Either by being judgmental, or acting as if they are showing some kind of hidden truth to mission runners. It's just a game, remember that.
Ninja Salvaging is just scavenging. Nothing wrong with it, it's just how they choose to play So you can feed them your tears and rage, nothings going to change. Now before someone jumps to an assumption over how I play, I don't ninja salvage. I make my own wrecks and salvage them. However I'm not going to spill tears if someone pops in to scavenge. It's bound to happen at some point, just deal with it and move on.
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Anda Chiyo
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Anda Chiyo on 26/05/2009 17:05:36
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Go for it. Shoot the wreaks cause I don't care. You will miss one or maybe you wont. If you care about the salvage then you loose money. If you don't care about the salvage but do care about the loot you are still loosing money. And if you don't care about either loot or salvage then you are wasting time. It doesn't matter to me. My entertainment is showing mission runners that High Sec is not safe, it's just safer.
And I don't care about mission hubs. I do know where a lot of level 4 mission agents reside that are not in mission hubs. And I can still find mission runners in those less populated systems. So, by all means, run. I can still find you where ever you go.
I use to be a mission runner. I know how you think. And one of you, during the night, will shoot at me for getting between you and your precious loot/salvage.
OOO ... scary scary
But thanks, this proves my point. As I said before, many a time it is more profitable not to loot anyway. Following my advice (it really seems you don't want them following my advice... wonder why... hmm), the mission runner wastes a whopping 1-2 minutes popping the wrecks and then getting on with things. You're expending a bit more time than that in seeking him out.
Originally by: Cynical Rise Ninja Salvaging is just scavenging. Nothing wrong with it, it's just how they choose to play So you can feed them your tears and rage, nothings going to change. Now before someone jumps to an assumption over how I play, I don't ninja salvage. I make my own wrecks and salvage them. However I'm not going to spill tears if someone pops in to scavenge. It's bound to happen at some point, just deal with it and move on.
^This^
But I still say pop the wrecks before you move on
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Anda Chiyo As I said before, many a time it is more profitable not to loot anyway. Following my advice (it really seems you don't want them following my advice... wonder why... hmm), the mission runner wastes a whopping 1-2 minutes popping the wrecks and then getting on with things.
I guess I need to be more specific. I don't care what the mission runner does. Shoot the wreaks, don't shoot the wreaks. It's all good to me.
Originally by: Anda Chiyo You're expending a bit more time than that in seeking him out. edit:Plus now you're not making any isk at all (the runner is still making isk), and not getting the satisfaction of upsetting said runner. Plus there is satisfaction in popping them as the ninja goes for them. It's quite entertaining. Sort of like playing an old fashioned game of pinball.
I like finding mission runners. They like running missions. Who said I needed to make isk? I have a character that has run missions for three years, never in a mission hub, always in a system far far away from a mission hub. And not once during that time did anyone come into the missions. I have more then enough isk to enjoy myself that I have gotten from the mission running character and from salvaging mission runners.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Aris Starshatter
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Posted - 2009.05.26 19:14:00 -
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I'm a relatively new player to Eve, and I've had my mission ninja salvaged a few times. I don't mind it, what I do mind is the ones who take my mission item and try to sell it to me. That forces me to have to quit the mission and I lose standing, that's griefing.
Oh well, that's life I guess
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Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aris Starshatter I'm a relatively new player to Eve, and I've had my mission ninja salvaged a few times. I don't mind it, what I do mind is the ones who take my mission item and try to sell it to me. That forces me to have to quit the mission and I lose standing, that's griefing.
Oh well, that's life I guess
Mis-information FTW.
A person taking your mission item and then trying to sell it back to you isn't griefing. When that person takes the item, they are now flagged for you and your corp to attack them. You can then take care of the problem yourself. Your options then are:
- Find the thief (He is a thief if he's taking items from a can) and blow him up
- Pay the ransom
- Quit the mission
No griefing is occurring.
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Mulura
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Posted - 2009.05.27 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maxwell Terallis
Originally by: Aris Starshatter I'm a relatively new player to Eve, and I've had my mission ninja salvaged a few times. I don't mind it, what I do mind is the ones who take my mission item and try to sell it to me. That forces me to have to quit the mission and I lose standing, that's griefing.
Oh well, that's life I guess
Mis-information FTW.
A person taking your mission item and then trying to sell it back to you isn't griefing. When that person takes the item, they are now flagged for you and your corp to attack them. You can then take care of the problem yourself. Your options then are:
- Find the thief (He is a thief if he's taking items from a can) and blow him up
- Pay the ransom
- Quit the mission
No griefing is occurring.
You can also move on to the next agent and come back the next day ( after DT -at another time). Need a Better Sig. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.27 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mulura You can also move on to the next agent and come back the next day ( after DT -at another time).
This is not always possible.
Once a mission is flagged as completed, the mission space will not be respawned after DT. So for example if you are running Mordus Folly, the mission is marked as completed after you have blown up every ship in the first wave (3 frigates, 5 cruisers, 3 sequestors, Mammoth and Gigamar). The item you have to return to the agent is dropped by the last ship in the first wave.
If the item disappears (someone smartbombs the container accidentally, or a thief nabs it and tries to sell it to you), your options are now either (a) pay the ransom, or (b) fail the mission.
In the long term, failing a mission doesn't really hurt. Don't pay the ransom, unless you're in the bad books with your agent already.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.27 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Anyway, I think I'll go troll Halada's mining guide and complain about ninjaminers mining the asteroids as I was ratting.
I hate when they do that! === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Matari Wraith
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Posted - 2009.05.28 05:10:00 -
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As an 18 day old character focusing on learning skills my options for acquiring isk were rather limited. Running and salvaging level 1 missions in my thrasher, breaking rocks in my burst, hauling npc trade goods in my wreathe or risking my small sum of isk on the market does not even come close to the isk I was able to pull in from just half a day of skill training and a few days of ninja salvaging.
Yes, ninja salvaging is stealing. However, CONCORD has no laws against salvaging wrecks in space and therefore capsuleers will continue to take advantage of this opportunity.
This is where facts stop entering into it and emotions begin to get involved.
~~ Some things I have seen in my brief ninja salvaging experience:
-I have gone from a complete noob when it comes to operating probes to reasonably proficient.
-I've learned how to use the directional scanner to keep tabs on the mission runner in an attempt to avoid detection(to counter his ninja-salvage counters)
-The most effective counter to the ninja-salvager is to salvage as you go (forcing me to warp in prematurely to beat you to the wrecks) and/or pop the wrecks before I get to them. -Warping out to give me aggro or simply tanking the remaining ships until I leave (read until I warp to my nearby bm and watch my scanner for the MR to finish and leave to swap ships) are not effective counters.
The complaining other ninja salvagers have done in this thread about popping wrecks just being wasteful/pointless etc underlines the effectiveness of this counter.
My favorite moment: "Rescuing" freedom fighters (not mission objective) from the wreck of a fellow Republic ship.
My most "yikes, wtf" moment: A battleship CONCORDing himself. Be sure when you go to pop wrecks that you are not running another character's mission!
As I now have enough isk to buy all my advanced learning books and a full set of implants I'm retiring from the ninja salvage profession and pursuing other aspects of Eve. Thanks go to Kahega for the effort he put into his guide and a special thanks go to the Amarr mission runners of Sasoutikh for their (involuntary) donations to my cause.
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Omega87
Caldari Griefer-B-Gone Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.28 07:51:00 -
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My gripe is not with the stealing (which sucks sure, but hey it happens). My problem is that someone less than 24 hours into the game, on a trial can come and steal from me. They say "Oh wardec me " or something if you don't like what they do, but they're just throwaway alts. I think perhaps Salvage shouldn't be a trial skill. Now if someone who's been playing for 6 months or 3 years or whatever wants to come steal from me...well it still sucks, but hey like I said, it happens, deal with it somehow.
Dunno if that aspect of it bothers anyone else, Just my 2 cents. I don't think CCP is going see it the way I do given what they've said, but eventually like every fad it will taper off. Oh and Yes I expect the flood of "Cry more nub", and "lolololol fail" and "Stupid Carebear tears" ------ "Nothing ventured, nothing ganked." - Me |
Riedle
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Caroll Yanaki I have been ninjaed, I have been even baited by a character, who blew my ship up.
I LOL'd
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:46:00 -
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Quote: The complaining other ninja salvagers have done in this thread about popping wrecks just being wasteful/pointless etc underlines the effectiveness of this counter.
Explain this. If someone starts popping wrecks, I fly around to each wreck to make sure that they blow up -everything-. How do they make more ISK doing this than they would just leaving it alone?
Quote: Yes, ninja salvaging is stealing
No. The reasons why it's not have been explained multiple times.
Quote: My gripe is not with the stealing (which sucks sure, but hey it happens). My problem is that someone less than 24 hours into the game, on a trial can come and steal from me. They say "Oh wardec me " or something if you don't like what they do, but they're just throwaway alts. I think perhaps Salvage shouldn't be a trial skill. Now if someone who's been playing for 6 months or 3 years or whatever wants to come steal from me...well it still sucks, but hey like I said, it happens, deal with it somehow.
Mission in lowsec. Why do you expect total safety for yourself but demand the ability to shoot newbies at will?
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Wongdong
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Wongdong on 28/05/2009 17:02:37 go ahead,pop the wrecks,you wont be making the money off the loot(that i don't want)and your also helping to maintain high rig prices.think of what i do as rig market price management. my all time favorite is when i haad a mr pop his item wreck then flame me for what HE did.so i implore you,pop all your wrecks have a good day and fly safer.
edit:/bump to sticky status devs
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking |
Lian Xander
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lian Xander on 28/05/2009 18:04:35 As a ninja, and one with the belief that wrecks are a free for all, I say let the carebears have their aggro on the wreck. If I salvage your wreck, let me get agression. BUT ... know this, when you are in your uber-drake setup or marauder, try hitting me. Send your drones, I can out run those too. I will gladly laugh more at your frustrations of trying to hit me while i dance around your wrecks happily doing my job ... and then post the LOL'z in the corp forum for the rest to share.
Seriously though, with "wreck aggression", all you whiney carebears are doing is bring low-sec into hi-sec. You whine and cry because you want this protective bubble of imaginary safety; however, by introducing this mechanism, all your are doing is bringing about your own demise. You won't see the solitary ninja salvager coming in to give you grief ... no, you'll see the multiple hostile ninja's in DPS ships coming in to gank you for the KM's and the lols. So it's your choice - deal with a minor annoyance, or be afraid to undock anywhere in New Eden. Think hard.
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