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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.01 17:54:00 -
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Guide updated! Check third post on the first page, details how to wtfninja in systems without huge populations and how to be more selective with your targets!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:17:00 -
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Also, "Ninjasalvaging" renamed to "professional salvaging" to more accurately describe the profession. |
Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.05 03:14:00 -
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Oh. excuse me. Didn't mean to bump you.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.09.05 07:32:00 -
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I like the new changes.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.05 16:58:00 -
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Yeah. I began scanning in Amarr space recently and figured out that the old tactics alone wouldn't work so I began using the directional scanner, probing out missioners that have never known the sweet touch of a Janitor's salvager.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:23:00 -
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Hmm... I actually prefer the term "Ninja Salvager" over "Professional Salvager". It just seems to conjure up an image that I believe we all subscribe to.
We appear from the darkness, in deadspace, where many Mission Runners never expect us. Our ships fly quickly to salvage the wrecks, sometimes while the Runner is still shooting his targets. Once complete, we disappear as quickly as we came.
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Targkan Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:46:39 Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:45:21 Quick story:
When I first started playing I decided that the quickest way to make some startup cash was to mine. I also read about how you can jet can mine. So the first time I did it I had the unfortunate experience of being can flipped.
I decided to go grab my starter ship (I know start laughing now) and go after the flipper. I guess you can all figure out what happened next. At that point I was on the verge of quitting EVE. But decided to give it another shot.
So in my first level 2 mission I had someone warp in and start ninja salvaging my mission. Not wanting to get screwed again I start firing on each wreck they went after. I soon realized I was just shooting myself in the foot (no pun intended :) ).
Again I got upset and was on the verge of leaving. After spending a few days reading the forums and figuring out what EVE was all about it hit me. EVE was certainly NOT like the carebear games I had been playing.
Things happen in EVE all the time and people figure out new and exciting ways to play the game. That was the turning point for me and I was hooked.
So the first time I met someone from Suddenly Ninjas I welcomed them with open arms and really embraced what they were doing.
From that point on I do not call that action Ninja Salvaging but what it really is. Professional Salvagers. I really think that is a clever way to play and it really does seem exciting.
So to all you people that get upset by someone coming in and "stealing" (lol) your wrecks. Keep in mind that they aren't your wrecks. CCP has even said so. If you really want that salvage, then fit a tractor and salvager on your mission ship and take it slow.
Otherwise, get over it and praise these guys and gals for figuring out a new and unique way of playing the game THEY like to play.
Fly safe :)
LOL - Alt post much?
LOL. Never been ninja-salvaged ever... but then, I only run missions in 0.0 and lowsec, so that'd hardly be a problem.
I've however seen friends ninja loot away from each other doing cooperative missions (one guys fits a tractor, the other guy forgets, and thus gets no loot)... The person without the tractor was not a happy camper at all. I simply don't have it in me to be like that.
In lowsec my bigger problem is getting drop ins from gank squads. Been podded a few times, and also had my rigged and pimped salvage ship ransomed.
Personally I prefer 0.0 because people don't grief as much out there. If you're bored you simply go pick a fight with the first person you see who isn't blue.
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Targkan
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Posted - 2008.09.05 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vengal Seyhan
Originally by: Targkan Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:46:39 Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:45:21 Quick story:
When I first started playing I decided that the quickest way to make some startup cash was to mine. I also read about how you can jet can mine. So the first time I did it I had the unfortunate experience of being can flipped.
I decided to go grab my starter ship (I know start laughing now) and go after the flipper. I guess you can all figure out what happened next. At that point I was on the verge of quitting EVE. But decided to give it another shot.
So in my first level 2 mission I had someone warp in and start ninja salvaging my mission. Not wanting to get screwed again I start firing on each wreck they went after. I soon realized I was just shooting myself in the foot (no pun intended :) ).
Again I got upset and was on the verge of leaving. After spending a few days reading the forums and figuring out what EVE was all about it hit me. EVE was certainly NOT like the carebear games I had been playing.
Things happen in EVE all the time and people figure out new and exciting ways to play the game. That was the turning point for me and I was hooked.
So the first time I met someone from Suddenly Ninjas I welcomed them with open arms and really embraced what they were doing.
From that point on I do not call that action Ninja Salvaging but what it really is. Professional Salvagers. I really think that is a clever way to play and it really does seem exciting.
So to all you people that get upset by someone coming in and "stealing" (lol) your wrecks. Keep in mind that they aren't your wrecks. CCP has even said so. If you really want that salvage, then fit a tractor and salvager on your mission ship and take it slow.
Otherwise, get over it and praise these guys and gals for figuring out a new and unique way of playing the game THEY like to play.
Fly safe :)
LOL - Alt post much?
LOL. Never been ninja-salvaged ever... but then, I only run missions in 0.0 and lowsec, so that'd hardly be a problem.
I've however seen friends ninja loot away from each other doing cooperative missions (one guys fits a tractor, the other guy forgets, and thus gets no loot)... The person without the tractor was not a happy camper at all. I simply don't have it in me to be like that.
In lowsec my bigger problem is getting drop ins from gank squads. Been podded a few times, and also had my rigged and pimped salvage ship ransomed.
Personally I prefer 0.0 because people don't grief as much out there. If you're bored you simply go pick a fight with the first person you see who isn't blue.
Wow I feel special today. 2 months playing Eve and 3 posts ever on the forums and I am already being called an Alt :)
I will take that as a compliment!
Just starting my job as a Mission Janitor ...... I want to do my share of helping out the environment and clearing the trash left behind from all that warring going on.
Sheesh ..
On a side note, CCP has specifically stated that the wrecks the salvagers are working on do not belong to anyone (why else do they not get flagged). Also, it is not considered griefing (if so then why won't people petition it? and win?) Why do people still act the way they do?
Oh well, I guess I have to go back to my main ..... lol
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ZephyrLexx
Caldari Earth Federation Space Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.06 07:15:00 -
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so, salvaging wrecks doesn't flag peopel for you to attack? how come? surely its an obvious thing?
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Dztrgovac
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Posted - 2008.09.06 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dztrgovac on 06/09/2008 08:42:28
Originally by: ZephyrLexx so, salvaging wrecks doesn't flag peopel for you to attack? how come? surely its an obvious thing?
Because griefing is the point of the game, devs are pkers of old and support abuse like this?
Considering you spend hours grindning missions, that even with a salvage alt you might have trouble beating ninjas to the wreck, and that in a lot of missions salvage is large portion of the income... And considering I've had encounters with ninjas in backwater systems with average quality L3 agents... Its bad and sad.
And there is nothing to be done about it. CCP said what they said about wreck and salvage ownership.
And would it really help anyone if salvaging other peoples wreck was considered a theft. You would always see ninja return in a PVP ship (with a few friends preferably, so the fight is more "fair") to blow you out of the sky.
But of course, we all know that average mission runner in a non faction T2 fit ship earns at least 30 mill ISK / hour, and that high sec missions are 105% risk free.
Oh, and by the way. There is a simple way to prevent ninja salvagers annoying you. Join a 0.0 player alliance. Enjoy the lag. Enjoy having to obey corp orders that will end up with you suicide dozens fleet fit BSes a month to enemy double and triple DDDS. And that IS the best you can hope for, "elite PVP 0.0 non territory holding alliances" wont accept you in, ever.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.06 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dztrgovac But of course, we all know that average mission runner in a non faction T2 fit ship earns at least 30 mill ISK / hour, and that high sec missions are 105% risk free.
QFT.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.06 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: ZephyrLexx so, salvaging wrecks doesn't flag peopel for you to attack? how come? surely its an obvious thing?
Salvage isn't another form of looting. Salvaging is a miniprofession added, similar to missionrunning, ratting, mining, or exploration. Some people like to create wrecks and then jump to another profession (salvaging) to use them..much like people mine minerals and produce shit with them.
Salvaging is a totally unique profession. People are just ****ed that salvaging isn't as noncompetitive as their other profession, missioning.
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Zos Tarkross
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Yeah. I began scanning in Amarr space recently and figured out that the old tactics alone wouldn't work so I began using the directional scanner, probing out missioners that have never known the sweet touch of a Janitor's salvager.
Kahega - these new guide ideas are excellent, as Domain was where I got my start in the janitorial profession.
I've been playing around with the directional scanner as well according to your advice. It adds a new dimension and a bit more intelligence than just dropping probes everywhere. Do you customize your probe drop by type *and* range to where you have pinpointed a missioner? That is, do you do Grav if you find yourself close to a Caldari ship, etc, and then do you alter the range so that you could use pursuit/comb/sifts rather than just quests, if the range is 2 AU or better?
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.09.07 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Hmm... I actually prefer the term "Ninja Salvager" over "Professional Salvager". It just seems to conjure up an image that I believe we all subscribe to.
We appear from the darkness, in deadspace, where many Mission Runners never expect us. Our ships fly quickly to salvage the wrecks, sometimes while the Runner is still shooting his targets. Once complete, we disappear as quickly as we came.
the profesion is valid sure, but i think yuo add a bit too much glamour to it. you basically pick up others peoples left overs.
although i think most of the fun must come from annoying people who you salvage from?
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Halkin although i think most of the fun must come from annoying people who you salvage from?
Well, I'll tell you. As the CEO, I've setup a Monthly Carebear Tears Contest, and pay 25M for the pilot who has the best story, and the best local smack or convo. We're not limited on our Forums for posting names and places, so it makes for a fun time, all around.
(Hmm... If I posted the Monthly Winners on our Blog, might that change your mind about the over-glorification of the craft?)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:42:00 -
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Quote: That is, do you do Grav if you find yourself close to a Caldari ship, etc, and then do you alter the range so that you could use pursuit/comb/sifts rather than just quests, if the range is 2 AU or better?
I select probe types, but I don't usually bother with micromanaging probe ranges. My scan time's at about 105 so I don't bother, although I've considered doing it.
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Lord Zarcam
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.14 18:29:00 -
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Great guide and tips. Been trying a lot of them lately. Found my first anomoly (rogue drones) the other night by using the on-board scanner. But it was empty, but it's a start!
Last night while using the directional scanner I found a large number of wrecks, but no ships. I tried for an hour to find this location without luck. Did the whole bit of aligning with an object and dropping bookmarks along the route. Even narrowed the directional scanner to 15 degree scan and still located the wrecks. But there wasn't anything to align too at this point. What do you do at this point?
I now realize (after re-reading this guide again) that I did not change distances in the scanner, so I have no real idea how far it was away. But I did pinpoint the direction. I did read the part of using the system map and I haven't tried that yet, that's my next step.
Any additional tips for a budding janitor?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.14 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/09/2008 19:29:15 Read
You need to use a scan probe launcher. Also, updating the original post with info about recon probes
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Jack Wolfslayer
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Posted - 2008.09.14 22:05:00 -
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****ing hilarious! ALL OF YOU! we blow up our wrecks for fun to fight lag build up, and keep our areas clean and clear - idiot salvagers find not much beyond being isk-challenged as they sit there realizing that my 8000 m/s ship runs circles round their enfeebled attempts.
Personally, I find it hugely entertaining when salvage thieves come knockin. I guess actually stopping a thief from salvaging one's wrecks can prove problematical at best for newer players, but at the same time, it comes down to how far is the thieve willing to take things in terms of escalation? He or she must ask themselves whether or not their corporation can survive an actively prosecuted war-dec, that might very well result from pushing the wrong persons' buttons. And will their corpmates be pleased to find themselves suddenly targeted and podded? And then there are some who tank extreme enough to withstand the first Concord DPS, just long enuf to complete the podding of a thief, who now loses all that ill-gotten gain to that "just one more wreck". His or her killer intentionally places their ship at risk simply to send a message - Salvage theft will not be tolerated - and certainly not in my corp! Semper Fi - USMC Force Reconnaissance |
ShadowBob
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Posted - 2008.09.14 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer ****ing hilarious! ALL OF YOU! we blow up our wrecks for fun to fight lag build up, and keep our areas clean and clear - idiot salvagers find not much beyond being isk-challenged as they sit there realizing that my 8000 m/s ship runs circles round their enfeebled attempts.
Personally, I find it hugely entertaining when salvage thieves come knockin. I guess actually stopping a thief from salvaging one's wrecks can prove problematical at best for newer players, but at the same time, it comes down to how far is the thieve willing to take things in terms of escalation? He or she must ask themselves whether or not their corporation can survive an actively prosecuted war-dec, that might very well result from pushing the wrong persons' buttons. And will their corpmates be pleased to find themselves suddenly targeted and podded? And then there are some who tank extreme enough to withstand the first Concord DPS, just long enuf to complete the podding of a thief, who now loses all that ill-gotten gain to that "just one more wreck". His or her killer intentionally places their ship at risk simply to send a message - Salvage theft will not be tolerated - and certainly not in my corp! Semper Fi - USMC Force Reconnaissance
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.15 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer He or she must ask themselves whether or not their corporation can survive an actively prosecuted war-dec, that might very well result from pushing the wrong persons' buttons.
Suddenly Ninjas has 6 active War Dec's last time I looked.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.15 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer And will their corpmates be pleased to find themselves suddenly targeted and podded?
It's all part of the game, Jack. Our Members recognize that, and happily put themselves in harms way. If we didn't want to, we'd all be in NPC Corps, where you couldn't touch us with your Alt. (Didn't think we'd notice, eh?)
Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer His or her killer intentionally places their ship at risk simply to send a message - Salvage theft will not be tolerated - and certainly not in my corp!
Good for you. Stick to your misunderstood morals. Oh, and for the record, there's no such thing as 'salvage theft'. Those wrecks aren't yours. They belong to the first person on-site, and that's usually us.
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Jack Wolfslayer
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:10:00 -
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Wrong - the rules do in fact state clearly that the wreck belongs to the person who kills it - otherwise all of eve would share in the bounties if they belonged to anyone. And you dont get to lick the bowl much less grab my wrecks
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Spermcell Giganticus
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Posted - 2008.09.17 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer Wrong - the rules do in fact state clearly that the wreck belongs to the person who kills it - otherwise all of eve would share in the bounties if they belonged to anyone.
hahahaha
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JoeBear770
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Posted - 2008.09.17 12:32:00 -
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Had a Drake warp in on a level 3 mission I was doing the other day in my Arbi....however I had just finishing looting and salvaging my wrecks so he moved on
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Targkan
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.09.17 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer Wrong - the rules do in fact state clearly that the wreck belongs to the person who kills it - otherwise all of eve would share in the bounties if they belonged to anyone. And you dont get to lick the bowl much less grab my wrecks
Ummmm no...
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Also, this change has nothing to do with salvaging rights themselves as they remain untouched. Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Many thanks for your understanding,
Best regards, Senior GM Ytterbium EVE Customer Support Team
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Valdore Scrap
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Posted - 2008.09.18 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Wolfslayer Wrong - the rules do in fact state clearly that the wreck belongs to the person who kills it - otherwise all of eve would share in the bounties if they belonged to anyone. And you dont get to lick the bowl much less grab my wrecks
No. The loot in the "can" that the wreck contains belongs to the player. This point is irrelivent pertaining to salvage. The bounty belongs to the gang that killed the rat. This point is also irrelevent pertaining to salvage. Furthermore, comparing concorde bounty to salvage and extrapolating that everyone should recieve bounty is a poorly thought out comparison (though the words most of us would use is "downright ******ed")
The wreck itself belongs to the NPC corp and is thus free for all. This has been stated by CCP many times. Because the wreck belongs to an NPC corp, this mechanic will not be changed, as NPC's don't whine on the forums.
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Killian Bekker
Caldari Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Valdore Scrap Because the wreck belongs to an NPC corp, this mechanic will not be changed, as NPC's don't whine on the forums about people salvaging their wrecks.
Lol
Great guide btw.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:01:00 -
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Nice guide, pity that whiners have invaded.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.09 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Nice guide, pity that whiners have invaded.
Pity? Are you kidding?
This thread gives potential ninjas a preview of the BAWWWWing they can expect. If anything it encourages more people to pick it up.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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