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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 17:46:00 -
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Ah, Maggie. I would personally like to thank you for bumping this thread and ensuring that even MORE people read it and become ninjasalvagers.
Also,
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mdopoiex
The Space BorderLine United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:56:00 -
[152]
Hey Maggie,
LOL boo hoo
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 -
[153]
STICKY! STICKY!
Dammit Mitnal, this is really helpful.
On another note, Thank You Kahega.
Your wonderful guide has brought me millions in salvage and lewt.
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Maggie Magnifico
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:02:00 -
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yeah i agree that ccp makes the rules, and if i dont like them i can get lost, but you say that i havent got the facts straight, when i clearly have, see the bit about investing time, ammo etc...
i challenge one person to come up with a (good) justification for ninja salvaging
I wont accept the following: It makes me good money, its not against the rules or that it makes for good smack against people like me (fair players)
maybe ninja salvaging is ccp's way of encouraging people to spread from the crowded systems and into low sec/courier agents in an effort to control lag, all i can say is that it gets on my ****
dont leech off of other peoples time people, go out and kill the rats yourself if you want the damn salvage
as for the 'boo hoo's, yeah im gutted, imagine if you went and bought a new car and someone came along and removed the clutch and put it in their car...but they arent allowed to touch the shopping in the boot, doesnt make sense, and it isnt realistic...
if i get one good justification i will eat my words (and if you cant put anything else than boo-hoo then it shows how right i am)
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Maggie Magnifico
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:10:00 -
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oh and as for the 'greifers' picture thing
Getting shot isnt greifing, its the whole premise of half the game
If you get ganked its your own fault, should have stayed in your safe spot
If your stupid enough to give your money away to a scammer, you dont deserve to have it in the first place
You do however deserve to have salvage if you choose to have it, because you made the wreck, and you say 'today i lost'...well, every day you lose because ninja salvagers have no concequence and can do it as long as they like, if it made them aggressive, then it would be fine
no wonder eve has such a little market share, i hope its their downfall, untill then im gonna mission in 0.0
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/08/2008 01:10:24 Salvage is not a given. Salvage is when you take a wreck, some useless junk, and make something useful out of it (that is, you SALVAGE something useful from junk). Salvage is a miniprofession that allows people to profit off of wrecks left behind. It was not added as a way for missionrunners to make even more profit.
There are many places where you can salvage. Some missionrunners see the number of wrecks that were just made and decide to salvage in addition to accepting the mission payout. This is just fine. In this case, you're adopting TWO professions...missionrunning, and salvaging. Just because you created the wrecks in a TOTALLY NON-COMPETITIVE ACTIVITY (running missions) doesn't mean that the OTHER profession you're engaging in (salvaging) is not going to be competitive.
Oh, and for those asking for this to be stickied: it's already in the Crime and Punishment Resource Thread (even though it should be in missions and explorations, really). However, I do appreciate people like Maggie bumping it back up and giving more publicity.
Quote: no wonder eve has such a little market share, i hope its their downfall, untill then im gonna mission in 0.0
EVE has been growing every year since it's creation, and I'm willing to bet the mission overhaul coming this winter is going to either make missioning (In hisec) either more risky, less profitable/easy, or both. The fact that you can even mission like you are today is an unintended consequence of other changes which will hopefully be rectified in the future. However, now I'm just ranting.
Anyway, I can't help but feel great at this point. Months ago, ninjasalvaging was a tiny little profession done by a small number of crafty individuals. After numerous whines on the forums, guides being posted, and corps being formed around ninjasalvaging, it's grown incredibly. Now, missionrunners in hubs can expect to have many or most of their missions salvaged. Being a part of the growth of a new EVE profession feels good.
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Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:19:00 -
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Of course its a profession, but its nothing other than a high sec profession which speciality lies in bringing bad emotions to the mission runners anyway...The one who does the kill should have the first right on the wrecks, if he lets them be for say...1h or so he can be seen as having foresaken them. Anyway, do as you please its just my opinion that its similar to stealing loot and it should be rated accordingly
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Rein Larno
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:44:00 -
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bump for the great advice and helping to add to my collection of carebear tears
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Squasar
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.18 02:24:00 -
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Another bump.
Salvaged 1/3 of the wrecks of a dual Corm team and they happened to be towing a jetcan behind them full of loot, so I said what the hell, snagged that too. Came out with a good 23 mil in about 15 minutes.
Always wanted to get into this s****of the earth trade and it pays! Thanks man!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.18 03:26:00 -
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Quote: Anyway, do as you please its just my opinion that its similar to stealing loot and it should be rated accordingly
Oh I agree totally. I am in full agreement with removing looting rights on wrecks.
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Squasar
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.18 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Orion GUardian Of course its a profession, but its nothing other than a high sec profession which speciality lies in bringing bad emotions to the mission runners anyway...The one who does the kill should have the first right on the wrecks, if he lets them be for say...1h or so he can be seen as having foresaken them. Anyway, do as you please its just my opinion that its similar to stealing loot and it should be rated accordingly
Just read this one after I posted.
You get rights for an hour after the kill.... so that means a ninja salvager only has between 1 second and an hour (depending on the life of the wreck) to do their thing. That's almost like saying "I have rights to my drones for an hour after I forget them". Because I scoop those up along with the salvage that's left behind to bring in a VERY hefty profit. And guess what, I don't get aggro'd that way either!
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Ecks Orion
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Posted - 2008.08.20 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maggie Magnifico yeah i agree that ccp makes the rules, and if i dont like them i can get lost, but you say that i havent got the facts straight, when i clearly have, see the bit about investing time, ammo etc...
i challenge one person to come up with a (good) justification for ninja salvaging
I wont accept the following: It makes me good money, its not against the rules or that it makes for good smack against people like me (fair players)
I challenge one person to come up with the answer to 2+2!
I won't accept the following: 4 |
Deviant K00p
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Posted - 2008.08.24 07:59:00 -
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Meh. Yeah its a minor irritance. I'm a huge carebear since leaving my previous corps, but since I have more money then God it really doesn't get me down when I get ninja salvaged. If someone is being a real prat about it, I just take the aggro and nuke him. Some may say "thats ******ed why would you throw away a BS just to take down a salvager?" Answer is simple. It makes me happy. Just like "carebear" tears make them happy. I don't knock the profession, and I'm actually quite interested in doing it myself, but honestly, when you boil it down, its just a game. So, scan your missions and gather your salvage. I'm still making my 8-15 mil per mission so I really don't care. Just don't be a **** about it or you may get podded. :D
Originally by: Ecks Orion
I challenge one person to come up with the answer to 2+2!
I won't accept the following: 4
Oh and the answer Ecks, is 2 squared.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maggie Magnifico i challenge one person to come up with a (good) justification for ninja salvaging
I wont accept the following: It makes me good money, its not against the rules or that it makes for good smack against people like me (fair players)
Carebear Tears Fuel My Ship
Originally by: Maggie Magnifico dont leech off of other peoples time people, go out and kill the rats yourself if you want the damn salvage
No. Please continue to do Missions, and my Corp will continue to salvage them. I take personal offense to your calling me a 'leech', since nobody invited you into my system to do your damn Missions.
Originally by: Maggie Magnifico as for the 'boo hoo's, yeah im gutted, imagine if you went and bought a new car and someone came along and removed the clutch and put it in their car...but they arent allowed to touch the shopping in the boot, doesnt make sense, and it isnt realistic...
That's a bad analogy - I'm not stealing anything, since they're not your wrecks to begin with.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ecks Orion I challenge one person to come up with the answer to 2+2!
Your answer is here.
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Joe Starbreaker
AnTi.
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Posted - 2008.08.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maggie Magnifico i challenge one person to come up with a (good) justification for ninja salvaging
I wont accept the following: It makes me good money, its not against the rules or that it makes for good smack
Removing the wrecks reduces lag!
Oh and I support making this thread STICKY.
I remember hearing about ninja salvage around January or February in a hypothetical post by somebody wondering if it could be done. I'm sure others had done it at that point but it wasn't big. I was learning to use probes because I wanted to go into lowsec and PVP, and I practiced by probing for mission runners in highsec. After finding the first one, I decided to switch to a Punisher fit with salvagers to go back and rob them blind; I was thinking that the competitiveness would sharpen my probing and hunting skills. I might never have done it again, but they unleashed buckets of carebear tears and what can I say? I was an instant addict!
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.26 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Maggie Magnifico ...what makes their game fun, and what makes it frustrating, and seing your isk/hour drop substantially because some tw** cant be bothered to do the missions for himself is NOT my idea of a fun, fair game.
It's MY idea of fun. It's fun FOR ME. I really don't give a damn if it's fun for you.
Quote: ...the games pace is slow enough as it is, its disgusting that CCP allows other players the ability to leech off of your time investment
Can I haz ur shtuffs?
Quote: ...your bad players that deserve to be punished
Agreed! Best way to do that is War Dec us or hire some mercs. May I suggest Malum Crusis. (<--sp?)
Quote: ... you are ALL scum
This is pure win. Tears fuel our ships and I believe we got a surplus of fuel from this post.
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Dana Su'ul
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.26 15:16:00 -
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As a carebear I had my first experience of a ninja salvager last night - tried to ransom me back a mission specific item (some dudes DNA from a Lvl3) for 1m ISK - given the mission was only worth 250k, I'd already received the bounties and didn't mind the standings' loss from quitting the mission I didn't think that it was quite worth it
Interesting profession though - very intriguing; might give it a go myself one of the these days.
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:36:00 -
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It's all about the LOLz.
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Atreus primus
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:23:00 -
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The greatest attraction off EVE is that it uses the economic "zero sum game" mechanics which ressemble a very competative liberal economic model, with only general and limited laws.
It boils down to: Your gain is someone elses loss. Take for example the stock market. So if its legal, its legal don`t whine about it, but find a way to solve it (and make some ISK on the way) or find other opportunities somewhere else.
If Ninja salvaging becomes a problem the system will find a way to balance itself out. ------------------------------------------------
Damn its dangerous here. Good thing i brought my towel. By the way... how do i get to Lave? |
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dana Su'ul As a carebear I had my first experience of a ninja salvager last night - tried to ransom me back a mission specific item (some dudes DNA from a Lvl3) for 1m ISK
Another solution would be to check the market for the item in question.
Originally by: Dana Su'ul
Interesting profession though - very intriguing; might give it a go myself one of the these days.
We're hiring, when you're interested.
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Ceola Tyn'Vile
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:48:00 -
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so if a miner jumps into your mission and starts mining the ore should you be able to shoot him too? Salvage belongs to nobody just like ore.
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Ecks Orion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus primus The greatest attraction off EVE is that it uses the economic "zero sum game" mechanics which ressemble a very competative liberal economic model, with only general and limited laws.
It boils down to: Your gain is someone elses loss. Take for example the stock market. So if its legal, its legal don`t whine about it, but find a way to solve it (and make some ISK on the way) or find other opportunities somewhere else.
If Ninja salvaging becomes a problem the system will find a way to balance itself out.
EvE isn't an economic zero-sum. If it were, the money you get from missions would come from another player's wallet and the loot you loot from mission NPCs you kill would come from another player's assets.
Doesn't mean ninja salvaging is a problem tho. Wrecks clearly belong to the first person to start shooting Salvagers at them, as far as CCP is concerned.
Plus, it's funny. ;)
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Kano Sekor
Amarr The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.29 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ceola Tyn'Vile so if a miner jumps into your mission and starts mining the ore should you be able to shoot him too? Salvage belongs to nobody just like ore.
Ninja mining whould be awesome. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kano Sekor Ninja mining whould be awesome.
It's about as awesome as seeing Chuck Norris, in his prime, break through your front door with a spectacular move, and then sit on your couch and drink a glass of milk.
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Targkan
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:06:00 -
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Mission runner here myself.
I have to say, what is the big deal about salvaging the mission anyway. Granted I usually salvage my missions, but its usually a crapshoot if I see any real return.
If someone wants to come in and salvage my mission either while I am running it or even after it, all the better. All I care is getting the bounties and the loot. Salvaging the mission is just icing on the cake.
In fact sometimes it even speeds up the mission if there happens to be too many wrecks. I say all who want in, be my guest :)
Oh and I am a care bear in some respect, but I don't provide tears :)
Whoever gets to the wrecks, wins in my book :)
Fly safe and good on ya professional salvagers !!!!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Targkan Fly safe and good on ya professional salvagers !!!!
Appreciated, Targkan.
This man knows what he's talking about.
If I'm not mistaken, he was the one who sent me an EvEMail regarding one of our Members salvaging in his Mission, and instead of complaining about it, he told me about how respectful and professional our Member was.
I appreciate your comments!
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Targkan
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:46:39 Edited by: Targkan on 29/08/2008 15:45:21 Quick story:
When I first started playing I decided that the quickest way to make some startup cash was to mine. I also read about how you can jet can mine. So the first time I did it I had the unfortunate experience of being can flipped.
I decided to go grab my starter ship (I know start laughing now) and go after the flipper. I guess you can all figure out what happened next. At that point I was on the verge of quitting EVE. But decided to give it another shot.
So in my first level 2 mission I had someone warp in and start ninja salvaging my mission. Not wanting to get screwed again I start firing on each wreck they went after. I soon realized I was just shooting myself in the foot (no pun intended :) ).
Again I got upset and was on the verge of leaving. After spending a few days reading the forums and figuring out what EVE was all about it hit me. EVE was certainly NOT like the carebear games I had been playing.
Things happen in EVE all the time and people figure out new and exciting ways to play the game. That was the turning point for me and I was hooked.
So the first time I met someone from Suddenly Ninjas I welcomed them with open arms and really embraced what they were doing.
From that point on I do not call that action Ninja Salvaging but what it really is. Professional Salvagers. I really think that is a clever way to play and it really does seem exciting.
So to all you people that get upset by someone coming in and "stealing" (lol) your wrecks. Keep in mind that they aren't your wrecks. CCP has even said so. If you really want that salvage, then fit a tractor and salvager on your mission ship and take it slow.
Otherwise, get over it and praise these guys and gals for figuring out a new and unique way of playing the game THEY like to play.
Fly safe :)
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Targkan Otherwise, get over it and praise these guys and gals for figuring out a new and unique way of playing the game THEY like to play.
I appreciate everything you say, Targkan. It's really a mature way of approaching the game, and many players would be much happier if they could think the way you do.
In fact, I've added your comments to our forums, as I'm sure it will help us to gain more support for what we do.
o7
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.01 06:03:00 -
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YAY! Kahega is a ninja.
/me buys Kahega some sake. =P |
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