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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 19:43:52
Originally by: Tamer It is a question of your conscience and network ethics.
If you really want to believe I was inspired by the crappy guide you put up (especially when I don't speak Russian), then that's your own problem. Nothing I did even approaches plagiarism. Plagiarism is when you take someone else's work and use it as your own. For me to have plagiarized your "guide", I would have had to translate it somehow, and then copy/paste the translation into this thread.
Given that I didn't do that, there is no plagiarism. And, as pointed out above, the term "Ninjasalvaging" showed up on these very forums 3 months before you published your "guide"...not that it matters, since you can't copyright a word |
Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:48:00 -
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google cannot say lies, and you can I understand that you will protect the reputation up to the end, but you have no chances as plagiarism is visible. --------------------- English language (100) ETA: 17d 13h 54m 13s |
Tamer
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:54:00 -
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Our ninja-church exists from first day when salvagers have appeared --------------------- English language (100) ETA: 17d 13h 54m 13s |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer google cannot say lies, and you can I understand that you will protect the reputation up to the end, but you have no chances as plagiarism is visible.
You don't know what plagiarism is.
Anyway, go ahead. Please, I encourage you, complain to anyone and everyone you know about the alleged "plagiarism".
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:20:00 -
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Hmm my 2 cents then I go away ... Ninja salvging exist because of the game rules, which are ...
1) Kill a rat, create a wreck. It may drop loot. You have ownership to said loot but not wreck - Its fair game
2) You can shoot your own wrecks but no other. So you can pop your own wrecks to prevent them from being ninja'd.
It's funny how all the ninjas state CCP allows them to salvage anything, its the rules, but then downplay or deride the mission runner when he pops the wrecks. CCP allows that too, so dont whine about a mission runner doing it.
One can't help that think that the life of this thread and the responses allows Kahega even more carebear tears, even while not actually playing.
I dont mission and I don't ninja salvage ( as I think its impolite to take something without asking the intentions of someone who is there first ( notice I didnt say who owns it ..)) but I will give a bit of respect for Kahega and his "ilk" for carving out a profesion, and a lucrative one at that, bu carefully following the rules of the game. My solution to this, other than popping the wrecks to deny the salvagers their cash, is a corpy in a cloaked Arazu hanging around to web and pop any salvager who gets bolder and grabs the loot.
Personally for myself I run low sec/ null sec exploration plexes and I have to be on the constant lookout for intruders not because they will steal my salvage but pop my ship.
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kva Plexcha on 04/06/2009 20:28:07 Oh damm I posted in the wrong thread ... didn't realize this was the Peoples Court of Worldwide Copyright thread - thats what happens when you only read 18 pages and not the last 2 |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kva Plexcha Edited by: Kva Plexcha on 04/06/2009 20:28:07 Oh damm I posted in the wrong thread ... didn't realize this was the Peoples Court of Worldwide Copyright thread - thats what happens when you only read 18 pages and not the last 2
It's fine. I think he's done with his whining anyway.
Quote: CCP allows that too, so dont whine about a mission runner doing it.
Who whined? We just stated that it's amusing when a missionrunner does it.
Quote: One can't help that think that the life of this thread and the responses allows Kahega even more carebear tears, even while not actually playing.
It serves a number of purposes. The whines keep it bumped to the top...and provide a good source of amusement.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:50:00 -
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Looks like I missed quite the party.
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Frealef
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.06 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Frealef on 06/06/2009 13:06:58 Just wanted to thank you for this guide, it has given me a reason to play again!
Was originally a mining character but dosn't make me enough money to keep me interested. So I started mission running, but soon got bored with them, there just the same thing over and over again and the pay was worse than mining, and if level 4's are just the same old grinding over and over even for good pay its not what I want to do. So I started training for PvP.
However I still needed some way of making money to finance PvP and thats when I found this guide. Last night I went out and did my first scanning op for mission ships..... found a battleship after 15 mins I warped to it, to my surprise there was no ship there (dunno if he had only just warped off) but there was about 30 wrecks most with loot. So i got to Salvaging, didn't loot in case he came back and am not ready for fighting just yet. Salvaged the wrecks in about 10 mins flew back and sold it all for 7million not bad for 25 mins work from starting to scan till finish. Then thought what the hell as the battleship hadn't returned I flew back in my hauler and looted all the containers sold it all or reprocessed the low price stuff took about 30 mins to collect it all and ended up making over 14 million !!!! so about 21 million isk for an hours work (dunno if I got lucky but even just the salvaging seems worth it to me and once my PvP is better may even make some enemies to have fun with)
much better than mining or low-level missions so if you can't run level 4's or find missions and mining boring this is a great way to make money!!
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.06 15:48:00 -
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This thread is goran damn funny well done all.
Yes even the kids whining and cryone over a GAME. |
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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:34:00 -
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Just want to say to all the nija salvagers I love you guys keep up the good work.
Becouse wither or not you know it you help make low sec a lonly place for the gankers there. Thx's to missions being scanable no sane mission run trys runing low sec missions and that means no Industrals supplying them and that means no realy profitable gate camping in low sec.
So thx you very much and plz help your self to my salvage and loot its worth making low sec what it is today thx you :)
Dont change a thing plz its working as intended :) |
Lena Valente
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Posted - 2009.06.06 21:10:00 -
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This topis is not about ninja salvaging, it is about salvaging not your own wrecks without owners permission.
Ninja salvaging occurs when you salvage wrecks from a battlefield in hostile space, salvaging t2 wrecks with your finger on cloak or 'warp to' button.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lena Valente This topis is not about ninja salvaging, it is about salvaging not your own wrecks without owners permission.
Ninja salvaging occurs when you salvage wrecks from a battlefield in hostile space, salvaging t2 wrecks with your finger on cloak or 'warp to' button.
That souns like good fun too :)
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lena Valente This topis is not about ninja salvaging, it is about salvaging not your own wrecks without owners permission.
Ninja salvaging occurs when you salvage wrecks from a battlefield in hostile space, salvaging t2 wrecks with your finger on cloak or 'warp to' button.
i couldn't understand you over the sounds of the english language screaming in agony. |
Seren Duchaen
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Posted - 2009.06.08 23:18:00 -
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So..using this guide as a way to improve my scanning skills. Been playing for 3 years and done so much of this game...scanning/exploration/etc is an area I have not really explored until recently. And no, I am not a ninja salvager/salvage thief/etc but I find busting into people's missions as an effective real time practice. They do trip out when you wave and then just go away. Actually had private convos going "Wait..you aren't going to steal my wrecks?"
Anyways, the point... Had some issues recently and I was wondering if I was the only one so I figure asking one of the most active communities in EVE when it comes to scanning... So I throw out 4 probes set to 16AU to cover a system. I get nice Dot hit (not plane or sphere) at lets say 20% signal strength. Im all like "Cool". Shrink the probes down to 8AU range and put them around the signal. Two on the horizontal and two on the vertical plane all overlapping at this little Dot. Scan again.. Say I get about 60%..this person is out in the middle of nowhere...so its a mission. Shrink the probes down to 4AU (I used to go straight to 2AU if I got above 50% but stopped cause of the recent issue) and repeat the procedure..... AND PRESTO the hit is COMPLETELY GONE! This hasn't happened just once but almost EVERY single time. (Id bet to say 95%)
So... 1)Am I having that bad of luck all of a sudden? 2)Am I doing something wrong? And if so what? 3)Is anyone else experiencing this suddenly?
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.06.09 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Seren Duchaen
AND PRESTO the hit is COMPLETELY GONE! This hasn't happened just once but almost EVERY single time. (Id bet to say 95%)
So... 1)Am I having that bad of luck all of a sudden? 2)Am I doing something wrong? And if so what? 3)Is anyone else experiencing this suddenly?
There is a known issue right now that if you get two possible locations (it should be two red dots) only one is showing up graphically. If you look at your scan results, you'll see that you have two hits for the same tag.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of people that make a living scanning have bug reported it, as I have, yet I have not had a response.
Right now, my work around for it is one of two ways:
1) Recenter your probe pyramid on the only available red dot, but do not resize the probes. Scan again, and 9/10 times I get just a single hit (confirmed by the scan result window).
2) if you can't get a single hit using the above method, resize your probes down one notch, center them, and then cross your fingers. If you don't get your scan result that you are looking for, leave the probes where they are and upsize them all by one notch and scan again to pick up the signal.
Repeat 1) and 2) as needed.
Yes, it's annoying, and yes, I hope they fix it soon. If anyone else has a better way to workout the current bug, I'd love to hear it myself. --------------- He who stumbles around in the dark with a stick is blind. But he who sticks out in darkness is . . . fluorescent! |
0rch1d
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.09 21:03:00 -
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And in after the lulz. :(
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0rch1d
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.09 21:04:00 -
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Teaman
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:28:00 -
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there is a very nice alternative to ninja loot/salvage for people who are doing it for the money. you can just sit outside station in motsu or any trade hub, open convo with anyone who comes out of station in BS/CS and ask them if you can loot/sal.
often enough, you will come upon people who wouldnt loot/sal anyway and would be happy to let you do it, often asking for nothing in return on their part.
even better is that you can get a constant supply of loot and salvage with this method following the person around. not only that, but they sometime fleet you while your in the mission, thereby giving you bounty. after the mission they often share LP/standing/isk with you.
and given there are 100's of mission runners in a hub, you have limitless supply of people to ask, you create positive relationship with these people. if you are noob, they help you out with the game.
so if you are noob, i suggest doing this instead of ninja'ing. you can get more money and the contact you get with often high sp high experience character is better than ****ing them off.
if you are in this for the tears however, then ninja is a good profession. esp when they open fire at you and you come back in a domy filled with neuts and 800 to ransom them in their mission while they are tanking rats, then killing them any way and take their faction stuff.
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Dotard
Minmatar Chaos Coalition Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:27:00 -
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Asking permission removes all the fun. Where's the fun in that?
Looting and salvaging OPMs (other peoples missions) is how I keep my wallet afloat, however 9 out of 10 missions I enter I'm looking to get shot at.
It's one of the only ways to get a 1v1 or 2onMe with a greatly decreased chance of being blobbed. For a primarily solo player getting blobbed is no fun. The potential is still there, but not 100% certain as if I entered low/null sec space.
I make dang-good isk when I need isk, but, for me, it's more about the PvP. Not PvB(lob) or PvG(ank squad). Yeah, it happens sometimes, but comparitivly rare.
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Noran Ferah
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:28:00 -
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So, when I mission in my Golem, I tractor and salvage each wreck as I create it.
Also, I do not deploy drones until only frigates are left, and then tractor/salvage the wrecks as they are created and pull drones as soon as the last wreck is complete.
I rarely have more than three or four wrecks on the field at any given time, and then not for long at all - and with 8600+ volley damage I clear these things pretty quick.
Does this process, which I use because it seems to me the best use of time, effectively lessen my "footprint" to the carebare salvagers and their scanning probes?
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brahiem
Flying While Intoxicated EvE Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:33:00 -
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not really, marauders are easy to scan |
Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:28:00 -
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How many times I have had tons o wrecks out there and not wanting to take the time to salvage them, I would say in local "hey, lots of wrecks here, who wants them?"
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Nothing.
Why do I offer free wrecks for salvage and get no reply yet others have issues with ninjas? Don't know.
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Don Cordelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah So, when I mission in my Golem, I tractor and salvage each wreck as I create it.
Also, I do not deploy drones until only frigates are left, and then tractor/salvage the wrecks as they are created and pull drones as soon as the last wreck is complete.
Does this process, which I use because it seems to me the best use of time, effectively lessen my "footprint" to the carebare salvagers and their scanning probes?
Wrecks don't show on scanner (apart from directional scanner) and Marauder is really easy to scan out. I have never paid any attention on drones when scanning really since battleship > drone, don't think it makes really any big difference, and I started scanning with skills at 1. Another thing is that I expect marauder pilot to salvage on the go so I only go in if I feel like salvaging the wrecks from your tractor beam. This of course usually leads the typical butthurt marauder pilot reaction which makes him to shoot the wrecks which leads me having to follow him for next hour and make him to shoot every wreck, also stealing the possible mission item is tempting if possible..
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Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.06.11 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Chantilly Layce on 11/06/2009 11:38:26
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
*THIS* is why I ninja... what a goob...did you feel "dirty" having to come down off your mountain top long enough to mingle with us mere mortals and write that?
[Edited for extra noobish ninja goodness]
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:16:00 -
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Best way to stop a ninjasalvager is simple stay in nullsec , and kill the sucker when you see him :)
Highsec = fail :P |
0rch1d
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.15 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: 0rch1d on 15/06/2009 17:55:30
Originally by: Hyveres Best way to stop a ninjasalvager is simple stay in nullsec , and kill the sucker when you see him :)
Highsec = fail :P
But young missionbears with their bought ISK and shiny PvE shippies love hi-sec.
Notice that a lot of them can barely manage level 4s. |
Antoine Roquentin
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: 0rch1d Edited by: 0rch1d on 15/06/2009 17:55:30
Originally by: Hyveres Best way to stop a ninjasalvager is simple stay in nullsec , and kill the sucker when you see him :)
Highsec = fail :P
But young missionbears with their bought ISK and shiny PvE shippies love hi-sec.
Notice that a lot of them can barely manage level 4s.
It's so annoying when you're waiting for salvage and the noob is having to warp out twice just to kill one BS.
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Bootleg Greg
Minmatar CHILL Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:26:00 -
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Yeah, I remember having my noobies getting ninja salvaged in my corp. We war dec'd the corp and kill 2 of his battleships so far. So yeah, think twice, look both ways, 5m in salvage for 2 bs' . Good trade!
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Antoine Roquentin It's so annoying when you're waiting for salvage and the noob is having to warp out twice just to kill one BS.
Couple of times I have tanked the room for em. And once I actually offered advice on how best to finish the mission. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
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