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Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:44:00 - [1] Hi, Some of you may have noticed there has been some activity on this item over the last week, Ive purchased a large amount of this product in regions Sinq, Forge, Citadel, and Lonetrek, Im attempting to restore the products value back to what it once was, I have billions of ISK and feel i am able to manage this product. Its current sell value stands at about 950k, I have noticed alot of traders attempting undercut me or live off the back of my hard work. So I have decided to put up a buy order of approx 650k to 750k in the 4 reigons, please try and work with me on this and ill try to gauruntee you an immidiate sale for the above values, If you feel you want more and want to post your sale on the market then undercut me by 1 isk my sales will always be top if i am online, its no point undercutting me by 50k as this lowers the value of the product and we all lose out. Take care and good trading
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:04:00 - [2] I would personally like to thank you for taking this on Aaron. Although I must admit I have absolutely no interest if you succeed or fail, it is very nice intelligence and I hopefully will be able to make some quick ISK'ies either selling to you or undercutting you.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:12:00 - [3] They dropped in price for good reason, they're not terribly useful anymore. I'm not sure where you think the proper price point is but I sincerely doubt they'll ever sell anywhere near their old price. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:14:00 - [4] You do realize WHY the Arbalest Siege fell so much in price, don't you ? First, you won't see PvP boats sporting Arby Siege if they're expensive, they'll go with T2 or one of the lower named. Second off, Torp spec is slightly easier to train as Cruise spec, and only the JAVELIN torps are useful in missions, so the need for Arby Siege from PvE boats has dropped like a rock. So, PvPers won't be buying if it's expensive, PvEers won't be buying at all... ...who do you hope will buy them if they're expensive ? Seriously. WHO ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Brisco Smiley Peppermint Bay Trading Company	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:15:00 - [5] I think a lot of people are trying to get away from Arby's since they canceled 5 for 5.
Cogwheel New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Brisco Smiley I think a lot of people are trying to get away from Arby's since they canceled 5 for 5. Meh... Only thing worthwhile are their curly fries imo
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:53:00 - [7] This makes me want to buy up a bunch of them and start undercutting by 50k...
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T You do realize WHY the Arbalest Siege fell so much in price, don't you ? First, you won't see PvP boats sporting Arby Siege if they're expensive, they'll go with T2 or one of the lower named. Second off, Torp spec is slightly easier to train as Cruise spec, and only the JAVELIN torps are useful in missions, so the need for Arby Siege from PvE boats has dropped like a rock. So, PvPers won't be buying if it's expensive, PvEers won't be buying at all... ...who do you hope will buy them if they're expensive ? Seriously. WHO ? youve made some good points, however, ive watched this product constantly for the past 2 days, ive seen at least 70 units being sold on the market per day, Im happy to keep the price at around 1 million, i feel there is some value in this product as the only difference tween this and its T2 variation is lees capacity.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:36:00 - [9] You do understand how T2 weapons work, right? They have the same damage/speed stats but you get a bonus from the skill that only applies to the T2 version so with decent skills something like a T2 Siege launcher has 8% or even 10% faster RoF than an arbalest. It doesn't take much to use T2 Siege launchers and given that your only market is PVP'ers you can expect them to be fairly well skilled. Thus, arbalest Siege launchers will only sell so long as they're substantially cheaper than T2 Siege Launchers. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:39:00 - [10] I bought over 50 at no more than 550K, and had some left in hangar from lvl 4 loot. I am going to be selling most at 800-850K till your sell price goes up. You keep propping the market up. Either way a tidy 45% profit, thanks very much!
Myrdyr Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:14:00 - [11] Looks like this guy has ~367 in jita @ ~945k and someone else put up 982 @ 600k. Cute. Please post constructively. ~Saint
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Shadarle on 25/03/2008 20:23:01 Originally by: Myrdyr Looks like this guy has ~367 in jita @ ~945k and someone else put up 982 @ 600k. Cute. 499,999 now
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Ulstan on 25/03/2008 20:28:06 The problem is that this module just isn't very good for pve, and no one uses expensive mods for PvP. Javelin torps are still useful in pve, but you can't put those in an arby launcher. Though, your explanation is a nice one. I'd noticed hugely overpriced buy/sell orders going up and was wondering if someone had come back, to the game after a year and hadn't heard about the torp changes.
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:28:00 - [14] oh dear, it appears the price in jita has dropped to 500k each, not sure how im gonna make profit on those 367
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:32:00 - [15] Originally by: cosmoray I bought over 50 at no more than 550K, and had some left in hangar from lvl 4 loot. I am going to be selling most at 800-850K till your sell price goes up. You keep propping the market up. Either way a tidy 45% profit, thanks very much! hmm looks like u lost ur money buddy..with the 500k sell order in place.
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:39:00 - [16] OMG its 399,999 now.
Cogwheel New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Aaron OMG its 399,999 now. Shot yourself in the foot, did you?
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.03.25 20:57:00 - [18] 'Malkuth' Siege launchers are going for 29k-30k in Jita atm. //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad) "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Ulstan and no one uses expensive mods for PvP. My Chimera has an almost completely faction fit including a pair of DG Invulns. I guess I'm a noob. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:14:00 - [20] I question if the OP even did this, as making a post about it is clear lunacy. I find it hard to believe he would be so foolish as to broadcast his manipulation attempt... but hey, perhaps he really did do it and just doesn't know any better. I'd hope it was someone else manipulating and he saw it and made the post as a way to screw that person over.
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: cosmoray I bought over 50 at no more than 550K, and had some left in hangar from lvl 4 loot. I am going to be selling most at 800-850K till your sell price goes up. You keep propping the market up. Either way a tidy 45% profit, thanks very much! hmm looks like u lost ur money buddy..with the 500k sell order in place. I sold em all before I posted earlier
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:33:00 - [22] Arbalest Siege Launchers are how much? Improve Market Competition!
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Shadarle I question if the OP even did this, as making a post about it is clear lunacy. I find it hard to believe he would be so foolish as to broadcast his manipulation attempt... but hey, perhaps he really did do it and just doesn't know any better. I'd hope it was someone else manipulating and he saw it and made the post as a way to screw that person over. I was just thinking exactly the same. Surely anyone who manipulates to that extent will realise what shouting about it like this would do... I'm positive there must more then meets the eye. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:58:00 - [24] If you are trying to manipulate a market, its wiser to pick an item there is a 'real' demand for! Torp nerf, ftw!
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:48:00 - [25] Originally by: cosmoray If you are trying to manipulate a market, its wiser to pick an item there is a 'real' demand for! Torp nerf, ftw! There is a considerable amount of orders, its a fact that people are still happy to pay upto 950k for one, Ive sold over 200 at this price in just a few days, The main point of this post was to try to stop people de-valuing the product, if u can see a sell order for 950k, where is the logic in puting on a sell order for 600k???, why not just do one for 0.01 of an isk less than mine?? If im not online you will get the next sale for nearer to 950k rather than 600k. it seems all everyone wants to do is live off the hard work I have done on this item. Im mainly refering to Jita, just stop being greedy and silly, if you work with me we can all make money. All im asking for is to stop the silly sell orders for 600k to 800k, undercut me by 0.01 isk, I will then undercut you by 0.01 isk when i come online. This way everyone makes good money and were all happy.
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:06:00 - [26] Knowing the general EVE population, it's probably as a result of this thread that you're seeing 600k sell orders.
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Knowing the general EVE population, it's probably as a result of this thread that you're seeing 600k sell orders. They were there long b4 i did this topic,
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Knowing the general EVE population, it's probably as a result of this thread that you're seeing 600k sell orders. They were there long b4 i did this topic, Then this thread probably won't do much. Vast majority of the EVE community doesn't even know this place exists.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Vast majority of the EVE community doesn't even know this place exists. And thank god for it, most of them that do wonder in seem to either promptly launch a half-baked IPO or begin telling us how the market should work with brilliant ideas like a T2 BPO lottery. Oh and apparently the way to earn billions is grinding L4's, which is why the economy should be based around a lottery.... Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: cosmoray If you are trying to manipulate a market, its wiser to pick an item there is a 'real' demand for! Torp nerf, ftw! There is a considerable amount of orders, its a fact that people are still happy to pay upto 950k for one, Ive sold over 200 at this price in just a few days, The main point of this post was to try to stop people de-valuing the product, if u can see a sell order for 950k, where is the logic in puting on a sell order for 600k???, why not just do one for 0.01 of an isk less than mine?? If im not online you will get the next sale for nearer to 950k rather than 600k. it seems all everyone wants to do is live off the hard work I have done on this item. Im mainly refering to Jita, just stop being greedy and silly, if you work with me we can all make money. All im asking for is to stop the silly sell orders for 600k to 800k, undercut me by 0.01 isk, I will then undercut you by 0.01 isk when i come online. This way everyone makes good money and were all happy. Surely you realise the stupidity of this post. Why should anyone place a sell order for 50 units and spend 5 days micro managing them in a 0.1 ISK game, when it is easier to buy some cheap goods and dump on the market at only 20-40% profit for less than 5 minutes worth of work? Your post basically asked for 2 reactions: 1. Make a very quick buck off your effort 2. Undercut you so you would get annoyed and continue the rant. There are many people here who would spend 100m trashing a market for the giggles.
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 03:44:00 - [31] I don't understand your motivation for posting this to be honest. I think you may just be an honest guy who is a little too naive to understand that you have just gone and shot yourself in the foot by posting :) Deus Ex Machina ~ Eve Corp, Web Design & Gaming News
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:57:00 - [32] As someone who was a pretty hardcore Caldari mission runner. Since the changes to missiles cruise has been a far better alternative. Easier to fit, does better damage on smaller ships (which are plentiful in L4 missions) and with target painter takes the raven back towards the level it was before the changes (a pwn all ship). For this reason alone I think trying to prop up the arb siege was a bad call. The Arb cruise is a different story however.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:02:00 - [33] Anyone care to take down Arbie Heavies down a notch? Pre-invention they were 6-7 mil, now they top 12-15mil Improve Market Competition!
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:32:00 - [34] This thread is full of win. It is now one of my new favorite threads. <3
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:38:00 - [35] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Aaron Originally by: cosmoray If you are trying to manipulate a market, its wiser to pick an item there is a 'real' demand for! Torp nerf, ftw! There is a considerable amount of orders, its a fact that people are still happy to pay upto 950k for one, Ive sold over 200 at this price in just a few days, The main point of this post was to try to stop people de-valuing the product, if u can see a sell order for 950k, where is the logic in puting on a sell order for 600k???, why not just do one for 0.01 of an isk less than mine?? If im not online you will get the next sale for nearer to 950k rather than 600k. it seems all everyone wants to do is live off the hard work I have done on this item. Im mainly refering to Jita, just stop being greedy and silly, if you work with me we can all make money. All im asking for is to stop the silly sell orders for 600k to 800k, undercut me by 0.01 isk, I will then undercut you by 0.01 isk when i come online. This way everyone makes good money and were all happy. Surely you realise the stupidity of this post. Why should anyone place a sell order for 50 units and spend 5 days micro managing them in a 0.1 ISK game, when it is easier to buy some cheap goods and dump on the market at only 20-40% profit for less than 5 minutes worth of work? Your post basically asked for 2 reactions: 1. Make a very quick buck off your effort 2. Undercut you so you would get annoyed and continue the rant. There are many people here who would spend 100m trashing a market for the giggles. Ok, ill make it simple for your penut sized brain to understand. ive invested billions in this product and ive become the majority stock holder. If anyone tries to make a quick buck from this I will keep undercutting them, I can comfortably afford this because ive purchased so many at such a low price. Because the idiot that undercut me by 20% to 40% wants to get his money back he will keep reducing his price till it becomes cheap enuff for me to buy all his stock and then raise the price again. So the end result is them doing some hauling for me at a very low price, and I will still make a profit. So please keep on undercutting me, I will keep undercutting you. The only way for anyone else to make profit on this item is to conform to my proposal of 950k per unit, and undercutting me by 0.01 isk, the eve community will pay whatever we set the price at, I know this as a fact. So stop trying to work against me and work with me. I have the advantage here. Its called Buying Power, have u not heard of it?
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 26/03/2008 11:08:28 Quote: Ok, ill make it simple for your penut sized brain to understand. All I understand is you came here looking for friends in this little escapade and now you throw out barbs when the majority of people are quick to point out you've vastly underestimated your depth. Nice. Improve Market Competition!
KISOGOKU Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:24:00 - [37] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 26/03/2008 11:24:58 First price is not the first thing you think while you are fitting your ship ,if it had been pvpers wouldnot fit arbalest sieges until range nerf. Second you have no idea have many ppl have not got skill tech2 cruise or siege ,just go to character sell forum and look to chars for sale. last who will buy arbalest sieges 1- 0.0 ratters who need arbalest siegess for cpu problems ( i was using sieges for ratting idk it is still populer or not for 0.0 ratting) 2-Suicide gankers ,this is the biggest customer base in empire ,TRI was using arbalest sieges Disclamer : Im not market /marketing guy stop targeting me Originally by: Akita T So, PvPers won't be buying if it's expensive, PvEers won't be buying at all... ...who do you hope will buy them if they're expensive ? Seriously. WHO ?
cosmoray School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:12:00 - [38] Its spealt "peanut", and I am not sure my brain is actually that big. You gave me the opportunity to make some quick ISK'ies for less than 5 minutes work. Thanks! If you want to spend billions on a nerfed product good luck. It will take a long time to sell all the stock, when you could have moved the money into other money making ventures. 1. Your tieing up your capital whilst other traders are more liquid. 2. Mission runners are also grateful as you have set a bottom at which you will buy a not very good module. 3. No one here will listen or play your 0.1ISK game, not valuable use of time. 4. This has been very entertaining, for which we thank you.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:20:00 - [39] I wonder, with the time the OP will take micro-managing his orders and selling all of it's stock, how much money someone doing missions would make. ------------------------------------------
Aaron Shogun Blades	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:29:00 - [40] Originally by: cosmoray Its spealt "peanut", and I am not sure my brain is actually that big. Its spelt "spelt" not "spealt" lol good luck on spending the 5 million profit u made, lol
Augeas Nocturnal Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:06:00 - [41] I'm not exactly on top of the Arby Siege market, but I doubt there's enough demand out there to really make this worthwhile. Plus there's probably a lot of people with large stockpiles, left over from when they were worth more, or picked up since the torp changes on cheap buy orders. Also, now this is public knowledge, inter-regional trade will pick up more also...
Minie Driver Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:00:00 - [42] Go suck a monkey..i like my cheap arbies...
Brisco Smiley Peppermint Bay Trading Company	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:05:00 - [43] google image search for Arby's Siege.
Midas Man Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:34:00 - [44] Hmm did the fact that the majority of 'Arbalast' Launchers selling in the multiple millions not give you a huge clue that Arbalast Siege's are not in demand. I have just started purchasing them at a snip of your price and will come and help you build that huge stock pile soon.
Augeas Nocturnal Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:56:00 - [45] Let us all help Aaron in his quest to acquire every Arby Siege in the Galaxy!
MS Stanis Conisor Excavations Syndicate Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:10:00 - [46] I didnt know people used arby siege on missions. With the pvp I do, I usually dont fly a ship I cant fit with T2 guns especially not a caldari using missile skills for sure. Beams rails blaster yeah T1 are worth while using on a BS but missiles/torp... common 800k for named launcher when the skills are frankly easy to get for T2. so If the arby are around the same price as the T2 version I would stay away.
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:29:00 - [47] Don't think anyone but the most stubborn people use torps in missions anymore. I've always found Cruises to be superior myself, but especially after the changes, you can't even rat reliably with torps.
Trader Joe's Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:01:00 - [48] I should really read this forum more often. This explains why I was able to sell some of these for a completely rediculous price recently. Of course OP, you do realize that if everybody followed what you propose the way you propose it, that in fact you would be one of the very few people making money on this particular item. In other words, not a chance in ....
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Don't think anyone but the most stubborn people use torps in missions anymore. I've always found Cruises to be superior myself, but especially after the changes, you can't even rat reliably with torps. This is pretty much the case - I've used Cruises for a long time now for ratting and missioning and since the recent torp nerf's I can't see any benefit to going back to torps. Deus Ex Machina ~ Eve Corp, Web Design & Gaming News
Lo Lightshard Insurrection Inc	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: cosmoray Its spealt "peanut", and I am not sure my brain is actually that big. Its spelt "spelt" not "spealt" lol Yep, lol. (Sorry, I just wanted to post in this thread.) [IMA6E REMOVED]

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