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Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Avaricia this thread is absurd. No YOU are absurd, if you think no one cares. Do you have any idea how much we are talking here? RvB internal fights alone run in the 25 bil. range, just how many wrecks do you think that is? Enough to make a person rich, that's for sure, off the hard work and bloodshed of those that TRUST him. Don't you people have a sense of morality?!? Ignorance ISN'T bliss!! cough (I'm surprised that even the obvious comparison between RvB and CAOD isn't enough for some people) If anyone wants proof of this, check the amount of rigs for sale in the regions around RvB HQ systems, and compare them to everywhere else, and even against our killboards. You may notice a significant rise in tech II rigs for sale in some areas following a rise in tech II ships engaged in said areas. Interesting, no? I'd show you these numbers myself, but I had a computer error just as I tried to save the spreadsheet. How's THAT for proof? ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Ling Mai School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:04:00 - [32] Ok, so you have red vs. blue. You confine them to basically 2 systems, so the vast majority of fighting is done on 2 gates. You tell the whole of Eve where the fights are going to be. And your shocked that someone had the foresight to exploit it? You didnt notice all the destroyers and haulers hanging around while you guys were fighting? I mean comon, really...you didnt realize it was gonna happen? Wow. Btw, I am one of the salvagers in the OP, and i am not in Red or Blue, but thanks for the continued loots! Keep killing each other though, you've almost bought me another carrier already!
Joe Shooter Thunderstruck. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:09:00 - [33] Fine, I've been forced into saying something then... 1) The first point is obviously the actual truth behind this, I mean you don't seem like a stable or reliable source of information, obviously something has made you irate and you're taking it out the poor people of C&P, and this is assuming of course you aren't just epic troll, in which case I bow down, I've been trolled. 2) Okay, let's assume you aren't a troll and you have reliable information here. I still fail to see your point, salvage your own wrecks? Salvage other peoples wrecks? If you're too lazy or stupid to not capitalise on an idea that someone else has now found then that's your loss, don't come and whine about it. 3) Okay maybe you can't salvage your own wrecks etc. Being held to gunpoint by plave? Is he being some sort of horrible dictator. What does this matter, he's made an idea that gives you relatively easy to get into pewpew so don't complain about that, and if you're FC is indeed leading you into suicide then just don't listen to him, only a fool would allow themselves to die in that way... 4) And tbh, final point. If you don't like it then just get out and go elsewhere... No one is making you stay and this 'scandal' doesn't need outing like some sort of ******** press release. Adapt or die. ___________ ThUnDeRsTrUcK
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Joe Shooter and this is assuming of course you aren't just epic troll, in which case I bow down, I've been trolled. Start kissing that floor :P ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Ensa Rai Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:12:00 - [35] Wait.... wait... WAIT!!!!! You're telling me that someone who is responsible for perpetual war is getting insanely rich off of said war??!?!?! This man must be a strange kind of mutant genius person and should be put in a cage and made to do really hard sudoku puzzles for the government.
Joe Shooter Thunderstruck. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Jack Brazen Originally by: Joe Shooter and this is assuming of course you aren't just epic troll, in which case I bow down, I've been trolled. Start kissing that floor :P This is why I never come to the forums! ___________ ThUnDeRsTrUcK
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Joe Shooter This is why I never come to the forums! Don't worry, I'll be gentle ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Joe Shooter Thunderstruck. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:44:00 - [38] I stand by my point! ___________ ThUnDeRsTrUcK
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:48:00 - [39] Tin foil hattery!!! another quality thread in less than a week... what is happening? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:01:00 - [40] Originally by: techzer0 Tin foil hattery!!! another quality thread in less than a week... what is happening? Did you expect less from me? I expected more from Plave and Talan, but they stole my heart and my ISK! Give me back my wrecks you scoundrels! ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:21:00 - [41] This is an epic thread. I have to say though... if they aren't really doing this level of tinfoilhattery then they SHOULD because I bet the money in salvaging RvB is pretty good. Player ships give a lot more salvage than rats, after all...
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:45:00 - [42] just a thought: who is paying the wardecs?
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Feilamya just a thought: who is paying the wardecs? Plave is a clever fella - he has even that one figured out! The wars are mutual, so his profits aren't hurt... I tell you, there are no lengths he will go to. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:56:00 - [44] So is it safe to assume that Red and Blue aren't getting enough pew pew? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:00:00 - [45] Originally by: techzer0 So is it safe to assume that Red and Blue aren't getting enough pew pew? Is there such a thing as enough pew pew? We get plenty of pew vs. pew - we just had a distinct lack of drama that I thought I'd help with. Now I can call people liars when they say RvB is drama/politics-free PvP, and point to my thread. The world is my oyster when I get to call people on lies I tampered with \o/ ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Thmuses Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.26 08:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Stanley Cluster Originally by: Thmuses This would explain those so called safespots of Talans. True traps they are! You read my mind, Thmuses. You are clever and mighty. And you have a mighty Incursus, Stanley. Let's go and kill Talan together. In the end there will be only Red
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.26 09:08:00 - [47] Quality drama. But question, why WOULDNT he (or ANYONE else), try to salvage as much as humanly possible for profit? It just makes sense, if you're losing a lot of isk in this war the boohoo your own damn fault for flying expensive things like an idiot. Just make salvage alts yourself, I bet tons of people already have. ------ I speak on behalf of my corporation PS. You suck
Viqer Fell Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 09:31:00 - [48] If it was all true then all I would say is that the guy is a true evil genius of epic proportions to have come up with that plan. I mean c'mon that's worthy of a bond villain. If it is true then the thread is a big fail simply because instead of exposing a big drama all you're doing is showing what a creative thinker the guy is. If it's not then the thread is just a big fail. Either way this thread fails. Badly. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 09:39:00 - [49] Edited by: Jack Brazen on 26/03/2008 09:39:55 Originally by: Viqer Fell If it was all true then all I would say is that the guy is a true evil genius of epic proportions to have come up with that plan. I mean c'mon that's worthy of a bond villain. If it is true then the thread is a big fail simply because instead of exposing a big drama all you're doing is showing what a creative thinker the guy is. If it's not then the thread is just a big fail. Either way this thread fails. Badly. I think you missed a few key posts above Viqer - I'm not surprised that people are still falling for it, but someone so used to people like Ace should have seen through it :P I'll take a bow from you as well, thanks. The only one with villainous plans around here is me I'm afraid Edit: And KUBLAI! I'm shooting big game with this thread it seems :hifive: Talan and Plave. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Jack Brazen Edited by: Jack Brazen on 26/03/2008 09:39:55 Originally by: Viqer Fell If it was all true then all I would say is that the guy is a true evil genius of epic proportions to have come up with that plan. I mean c'mon that's worthy of a bond villain. If it is true then the thread is a big fail simply because instead of exposing a big drama all you're doing is showing what a creative thinker the guy is. If it's not then the thread is just a big fail. Either way this thread fails. Badly. I think you missed a few key posts above Viqer - I'm not surprised that people are still falling for it, but someone so used to people like Ace should have seen through it :P I'll take a bow from you as well, thanks. The only one with villainous plans around here is me I'm afraid Edit: And KUBLAI! I'm shooting big game with this thread it seems :hifive: Talan and Plave. I think you need to train reading comprehension V. ------ I speak on behalf of my corporation PS. You suck
MrBadidea Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Jack Brazen Okay, this may shock some, but I hope people can take the truths I'm trying to get out, and act accordingly. This, to me, is pretty grave stuff, and deserves a response. I figured out why Mr. Plave Okice - of Red. - has created RvB. Behind the scenes, Plave has been running a group of salvagers around two key systems – Bei, Blue headquarters, and Hatakani, Red headquarters. Now, we all thought RvB would be a blast, pew pew and all that, but little did any of us know, until now, that Plave was doing all this for our burning wrecks. Currently, I estimate he has salvaged over 80% of all wrecks related to RvB, including third party losses like those from MF. MF... now that's another matter I'll get back to later. For now, suffice it to say that every time one of us goes down, Plave makes 80% of our salvage value. Money that goes almost directly to him and a few working with him. Now, all this would be sort of acceptable, except he has set a former RED as Blue alliance leader, who will pretend to make mistakes as FCing, leading fleets into certain death scenarios, or into total slaughters of Red gangs. And all but Plave and Talan are completely unaware of this, and just go along with full trust. It sickens me, that they would play such a game with their own forces, people who trust them, maybe even look up to them, just to make money of our wrecks. And that leads to the final piece in all this. I have reliable information from a contact in MF, that their war against us was contracted by a so-far un-revealed client. I guess everyone can guess who? Yes, Plave Okice, who tried to scam me into selling a rigged Megathron to him at way below cost (“We're both in RvB mate, I'll help you some other time!”), has HIRED MF to war-dec RvB, and keeps them supplied with intel on our positions and fleets. Plave doesn't much care who wins, his neutral salvagers will profit anyhow, just as long as many people die. Like a vampire, sucking RvB dry to extend his own wallet-life. But I bring the light of truth to his scheme! So, there you have it. RvB is just one big money-maker for Plave who directs his unknowing pawns into endless deaths that generate endless ISK for him. Profiting from the demise of your fellow players to such an extent... for shame... Even if true, what does it really change? RvB is not your standard affair for EVE; it's all about the pewpew. You don't join RvB to make money, or to acquire shiney gear. You join up to have a blast. So what if one of the founders is making money off it? Creating Alliances isn't free, and that money has to come from somewhere. ---
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:00:00 - [52] Edited by: Jack Brazen on 26/03/2008 11:04:18 Originally by: kublai I think you need to train reading comprehension V. Ah, so your advice and comment was general, and not specific to my non-issue? I may have been rash in calling that a score then, but looking back across this thread, I'm surprised people are still posting with no clue. Look at some of the stuff after all the times I showed my cards - that's sort of the best about this thread. You can always rely on people who only read the first post to bump threads, with comments from the past. And as regards to the salvaging of RvB wrecks in general, I've recommended it several times to people who needed ISK, all in RvB, and as far as I know no one is doing it on a grand scale, least of all Talan and Plave. The great part about threads like this is, there will no doubt still be someone along to answer as if I didn't post this. Charm of internet forums. OR, maybe I have recently received a large sum of ISK to write the above on C&P, to protect a shady operation that preys ghoulishly on the gullible, and feasts on the carrion left behind? Something so sinister, that even through my reporting in extreme peril, I must maintain my composure, lest the World itself be enslaved by this most dire and craven threat. For it is of the utmost importance that my message be understood, clearly, and followed to the letter. They want to eat our br-... Nah, screw that - it's all a joke people, let's pew pew. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:01:00 - [53] /facepalm CEORed Vs Blue
Kehmor PAK Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:16:00 - [54] We joined RVB for PvP. We get PvP. I don't see a problem? Something else I don't see is evidence. freelance salvagers would naturally pick up on a war like this and show up anyway. Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Steintz Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:21:00 - [55] So does this mean, that Jack wont be coming out to pew pew?
Jack Brazen Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Steintz So does this mean, that Jack wont be coming out to pew pew? Of course I'll come out to pew pew - don't be sad Would I have been out fighting you guys the last few days with Talan fc'ing if this were real, OR bothered me? Scary thing is, Talan suggested I added the CAOD part, but I was afraid it would blow the whole joke, and now no matter how clearly I post it, some people are still missing that bit of the thread. I'm glad I followed Plave's advice not to post it on CAOD instead - imagine the ***-storm there! It would be a pretty good plan though, eh? I wish I'd had the follow-through and sobriety to capitalize on a large scale myself ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.*
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:45:00 - [57] by the way... that reliable source in MF is your own immaginary fabricated friend. we decced red and blue because they are good pvpers and good fights are hard to find. this stuff is really hard to belive about the salvage thing.. but MF part is the most laugh iv had today :P as if Plave Okice wanted intel on fleet positions then why would he make us dec you guys :P we could do that whitout deccing.... it would be sooo much easyer aswell as you guys wouldnt know you are beeing watched. so i call the MF part tottal bull****. ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:06:00 - [58] It's a troll Riho CEORed Vs Blue
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:20:00 - [59] Originally by: Plave Okice It's a troll Riho ill get my hammer... :D ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:53:00 - [60] Ah, I get it. You're jealous you didn't think of this wonderful scam... * burek goes to start yellow vs green

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