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Shemsu Mordus Dead Gnoll's Eye Socket	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Sean Faust Edited by: Sean Faust on 26/03/2008 18:28:11 Originally by: Liang Nuren If you never focus on the drones, you'll never get there. Gotta bite the bullet some time... :P -Liang I will eventually, but what I meant was that since I already have so much SP invested in a specific weapon type (gunnery), I might as well train first for the one that makes best use of my existing skills before I devote even more training time getting into a ship that I'll have to train up a whole new weapon type for. Even worse would be having to train for a shield tanking ship that uses non-gunnery weapons. I think I'd rather shoot myself. Looks like Zealot it is, then Sac, then Amarr CS's. After that I'll worry about the Ishtar. But based on all the armor tanking related SP I have (Hull Upgrades V, Comp skills vary between 2/3/4, Mechanic V), and my nearly 3m sp in gunnery, getting into t2 Amarr laser ships just seems so much easier than anything else at this point. Plus, honestly the Zealot pwns. It is a great HAC. Not the fastest for roaming gangs (never flown a nanoed Zealot though...), so if you have to run, it gets dicey, but the range is great, maybe not alpha DPS, but with 30KM optimal w/Scorch you are laying the hurt early and hard. Vaga/Ishtar are a different kind of fun, but the Zealot is a great HAC.
Kakasheri Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:27:00 - [32] i perma tanked a megathron in my sac. Nuff said imo.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:36:00 - [33] For roaming gangs I'd suggest a Zealot due to good range and instant damage. Though every gang needs a tackler too, so the Deimos could fill that role.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:30:00 - [34] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/03/2008 22:34:35 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/03/2008 22:32:42 Originally by: Darian Edalth See? No one ever suspects the Muninn. You think you got a rupture most of the time and then, oh no's! Pain! Funny, I use the scanner now and then and it displays ship types. Upon seeing Munnins I go all crazy 'with, oh, Munnin, look, there's a Munnin on scan!!!' but something bad always happens. Last time I met one I was in a Cyclone specifically refit for webbing (to catch a very annoying Ishtar) and a Munnin landed on me. Meh. He ran away a few seconds before a ship with actual points arrived and tackled him, and I missed the final bump I see them so rarely. Anyway, to get back on topic, I'd suggest a Zealot, or, better yet, Sacriledge. They can both go fast and have a semblance of a tank, plus don't rely on weapons without tracking (and HAMs aren't that hard to train for) and very solid damage. Note, though, that the standard way to fit a Sac is relatively expensive. Also, if you want to go the gallente route, Ishtar is best, but I would prefer you to fly a Diemost, for relatively easy and nice loot plus T2 salvage. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Helios Hyperion Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:14:00 - [35] The deimos is my prefered hac, however, with the new boost to the zealot, i'd have to say that it may be a better bet for you, also taking into account your basic drone skills, the zealot doesn't use drones and if you already have t2 med blasters, i'll assume you have fair support skills as well. Head for the Zealot imo. using scorch ammo and a nice gank/tank fit, with a tracking computer, you'll make nano-hac pilots cry
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/03/2008 22:34:35 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/03/2008 22:32:42 Originally by: Darian Edalth See? No one ever suspects the Muninn. You think you got a rupture most of the time and then, oh no's! Pain! Funny, I use the scanner now and then and it displays ship types. They upgraded the scanner to show more than hull type? I thought it just showed what the ship was called and the hull. A Muninn on the scanner would show up as "Darian Edalth's Muninn" Hull "Rupture", if he named it "Darian Edalth's Rupture" How do you tell? Or am I being thick again? Am I renaming my ~~Zealot~~ Omen to sommat sensible then? Audita et altera pars
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Sean Faust So what I'm basically getting here is that the only reasons worth training Gallente cruiser to V are for the Phobos and maybe, way way way later on down the line, after I have more SP invested in drones than my current total SP (almost 8 million), getting into an Ishtar. That sorta sucks. Maybe I'll put that 20-day train off for another time then and work more on my Amarr skills to get into a Zealot and then a Sacrilege. Some time ago I made a goal for myself about eventually being able to fly both Gallente and Amarr HACs and Command ships. I have no desire to ever train up Caldari except to fly ECM ships, and there are too many Minmatar/Vaga pilots (though hardly any Sleipnir pilots) in the groups I roll with. Since the use of blasters is too situational, I think I'm going to focus solely on Amarr, until I have enough SP invested in drones to go for the Ishtar. BTW, if u like blasters, train large blaster cannon II's. You will love flying a neutron tri mark tanked megathron in a remote repping turtle gang. These gangs are indestructable and neutron blasters rip people apart very nicely.
Casino Alkasar Infinite Possibilities Corporation The Colbert Nation	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:49:00 - [38] the ihstar is sure a nice hac, and you can pump lots of isk and Sp into it to make it a nice ship which can even wressle BS if the pilots are newbs, but its more a statussymbol. You can run missions faster with a raven & last longer with drones in a dominix in pvp. On the other hand most skills but the Cruiser V and the Hac skill will push you forward a good chunk to fly the big ships. For outofthebox Hac fun i would fly a Gank*Deimos _________________ itze mine Rock¦n roll
Ambien Torca Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:02:00 - [39] Good reason not to fly Deimos is simply that you will die. Nanogangs usually are made so that you can disengage if things start go wrong and Deimos simply can¦t do that. Also like it has been said in this thread blaster range is fairly bad so in bigger fight you will spend too much time just MWD:ing around. Muninn is not much better, I would recommend flying Thorax and Rupture instead of the T2 version for these roles. And no, HAC:s are not cheap even less pricy ones.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.27 03:54:00 - [40] Originally by: CmdoColin They upgraded the scanner to show more than hull type? I thought it just showed what the ship was called and the hull. A Muninn on the scanner would show up as "Darian Edalth's Muninn" Hull "Rupture", if he named it "Darian Edalth's Rupture" How do you tell? Or am I being thick again? Am I renaming my ~~Zealot~~ Omen to sommat sensible then? It gives you ship name and ship type. I don't know how anyone could not know that. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:00:00 - [41] Funny enough, 3 of the friends I fly with, who are even younger chars than myself, are training specifically to get into an Ishtar. I wonder what a group of 3-4 Ishtars running around together would do...
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Sean Faust Funny enough, 3 of the friends I fly with, who are even younger chars than myself, are training specifically to get into an Ishtar. I wonder what a group of 3-4 Ishtars running around together would do... gank the hell out of idiot ratters mainly. :)
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:23:00 - [43] When I first came to EVE I rolled Gallente cause of the uber damage output of blasters, not realizing how big of a price it came at, and how impractical it is. Eventually 5 of my old guildmates from WoW who I convinced to come over to EVE did, and 4 of them made Gallente characters as well for the same reasons I did. Now they're all like "DRONES RULE! WANT ISHTAR NOW!" BTW the one who didn't roll Gallente made a Minnie char and he's training for a Vaga.
Delyniel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:00:00 - [44] You don't need crazy drone sp for nanotar. I only got around 1mill sp in drones, using upto t2 meds. I'm flying with a nanogang and use t1 bouncers, i'm usually up in top 3 among vagas and nanotars with t2 bouncers in damage dealt. So I will say an Ishtar is a good choice even if you don't have much sp in drones.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Delyniel You don't need crazy drone sp for nanotar. I only got around 1mill sp in drones, using upto t2 meds. I'm flying with a nanogang and use t1 bouncers, i'm usually up in top 3 among vagas and nanotars with t2 bouncers in damage dealt. So I will say an Ishtar is a good choice even if you don't have much sp in drones. This is like saying that you don't need t2 guns on your Deimos, because it deals more damage than a Vagabond using barrage fighting at 120% falloff. GG. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Eneela M University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Delyniel You don't need crazy drone sp for nanotar. I only got around 1mill sp in drones, using upto t2 meds. I'm flying with a nanogang and use t1 bouncers, i'm usually up in top 3 among vagas and nanotars with t2 bouncers in damage dealt. So I will say an Ishtar is a good choice even if you don't have much sp in drones. This is like saying that you don't need t2 guns on your Deimos, because it deals more damage than a Vagabond using barrage fighting at 120% falloff. GG. -Liang the guy obviously does well with the sp he has, I would rather have fun in a ship I want to fly while I up my skills than let it collect dust waiting for lvl 5. There's always real life battle skills to learn!
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Eneela M the guy obviously does well with the sp he has, I would rather have fun in a ship I want to fly while I up my skills than let it collect dust waiting for lvl 5. There's always real life battle skills to learn! No, he does well compared to those he flies with. As with all things in eve, quality counts. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Mr Ignitious R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eneela M the guy obviously does well with the sp he has, I would rather have fun in a ship I want to fly while I up my skills than let it collect dust waiting for lvl 5. There's always real life battle skills to learn! No, he does well compared to those he flies with. As with all things in eve, quality counts. -Liang liang is correct, i am training for my nanoisthar atm and have 3mil sp in drones but i still only use mine for missioning untill i have a little more flexibility (as well as t2 shield skills for that hefty buffer ) that being said, i also don't mission much, so my isthar is just waiting till i can make it awesome. despite what people say, deimos can be a TON of fun so long as you pay attention. yes you will die, but its almost like a large taranis . sounds like you would enjoy a zealot as well. i don't fly one, but from what i've seen they can be sick little ships. i'd think the zealot would be more skill intensive than the deimos though.
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:46:00 - [49] This thread makes me want to train for the Ishtar to solo in... Curse ain't what it used to be
Arcord Rytiri Lva	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Mr Ignitious Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eneela M the guy obviously does well with the sp he has, I would rather have fun in a ship I want to fly while I up my skills than let it collect dust waiting for lvl 5. There's always real life battle skills to learn! No, he does well compared to those he flies with. As with all things in eve, quality counts. -Liang liang is correct, i am training for my nanoisthar atm and have 3mil sp in drones but i still only use mine for missioning untill i have a little more flexibility (as well as t2 shield skills for that hefty buffer ) that being said, i also don't mission much, so my isthar is just waiting till i can make it awesome. despite what people say, deimos can be a TON of fun so long as you pay attention. yes you will die, but its almost like a large taranis . sounds like you would enjoy a zealot as well. i don't fly one, but from what i've seen they can be sick little ships. i'd think the zealot would be more skill intensive than the deimos though. i have to disagree tbh...having around 3mil SP in drones i can say that my ishtar can be really awesome...you dont have to have 6mil in drones for ishtar 'to be allowed to bring it to pvp and be good at it' thats a bullsh1t'. If you guys need that much SP to make the ship good, then you are poor pilots! on the other hand, i dont have T2 sentries so if you want them, it will inevitable lead to high sp investment as for which hac to go for...go for all of them! i specced in gallente hacs and commands now finally trained up amarr cruiser V and getting decen laser skills and have to say that those ships rock...zealot really does have fitting issues, but they can be overcome(i tend to passive tank deimos even zealot so its not that big of a deal), sac is...well i dont fly it but i fought it and its a *****;) really prolly the best hac...btw amarr commands are imho the best commands ingame, damnation by far and abso- its a matter of taste but being able to fly both astarte and abso is a nice combination for various situation, each one has its role gallente hacs are far from useless, as said ishtar shines among hacs and you dont have to necessarily nano it, i actually prefer to fit it the old fashionable way with awesome tank while havin really decent damage output with my T2 ogres. deimos is your ship of choice when having a small gang, put a plate on it and some mafs and you will be on the top of damage dealers most of the time... the choice is yours...if i were you, i'd go for gallente hacs first(now meaning deimos) as i did...you wont regret it;) cheers
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus This thread makes me want to train for the Ishtar to solo in... Curse ain't what it used to be You're in for a rude awakening if you think that the Ishtar even close to compares to the pwnmobile that the Curse was. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Bahhs Deep Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:55:00 - [52] A well skilled competent pilot can give you a real nasty surprise with a Blaster Eagle setup with a wicked passive tank. Might only get about 250-300 DPS or so though. But it can tank most ships solo with a few exceptions
Tai Paktu	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:06:00 - [53] A Deimos will melt face if it gets in close. It will also probably die a lot. But then again, you're in a blasterboat so you really only have 2 options. 1) Shoot the living **** out of your target, win and look uber 2) Die horribly and look like a noob. ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG
Wardeneo BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:24:00 - [54] Originally by: EvilSpork Edited by: EvilSpork on 26/03/2008 18:46:11 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Sean Faust I have just shy of 3m SP in gunnery (mostly aimed specifically at blasters), and about 900k in drones. Guess that means the Ishtar is a LONG way off. As far as the sac goes, I don't even have 200k in missiles yet =/ Yeah, with 900K in drones, I'd say you're far better off in another HAC. The HAM skills will be far faster to train up than drones... because most missile support skills don't apply to HAMs. :) -Liang agreed. sacrilege is AWESOME, and the HAM skills arent too bad. but only guided missile precision and... one other do NOT apply to rocket/HAMs/tops. 1 u say..... hmmm... Bomb deployment FOF Defenders Standard missles adn spec skill Heavy missles adn spec skill Cruise missles adn spec skill there a few more thant dont apply 2 rockets/HAMS/TORPS m8 :p wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Wardeneo	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Trevor Warps And what secret you know that we dont ? Sentries II ? Very situationnal and hogs up much drone bay space. At 4m in drones you can make the Ishtar shine. Just off the top of my head: Drones 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drones 5 Heavy Drones 5 Sentry Drones 5 Repair Drones 5 Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing 4 Drone Durability 5 Amarr Drone Spec 4 Caldari Drone Spec 4 Gallente Drone Spec 4 Minmatar Drone Spec 4 Drone Navigation 4-5 Drone Sharpshooting 4 THEN you can start worrying about "ship skills" and "support skills" - and you better pray you have really good fitting skills if you aren't going to nano the crap out of it. The ship is very nearly impossible to fit without faction (barring nano). If they nerf nano, the Ishtar will need a boost to fittings. And you're telling some poor sod with Drones 5, Scout Drones 5, and Gallente Spec 3-4 to train up the Ishtar when he's within 20 days of a Deimos, and maybe 60 of a Zealot. WTF? -Liang My personal vote goes for the Sac or Zealot. The Sac is the better choice in my book but the Zealot looks 65% better. you obviously play in in classic vertion :p--> SAC in trin graphics is much sexier than zealot --> allthough both are best looking hacs in game imo, allthough i like the ishtars "smiley face" :) ) wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
DHBshrpshot Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.30 15:53:00 - [56] The deimos is a great ship. Fitted with neutrons it will be n the top of killmail lists the majority of the time. You just have to know what you are doing who you are fighting. It has its role and should be mainly used for small to medium sized roaming gangs, using in fleet ops is pretty dumb. On the other hand if you have decent drone skills the ishtar is very versatile and cab be fit many diffeerent ways depending on your fighting style or the situation. I have both of these ships and have had my deimos for about 3 months and have not lost it. Botht the ships are great and tbh the deimos does not have all that bad of cap. Fly which ever one you like they are both awsome.
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Deschenus Maximus This thread makes me want to train for the Ishtar to solo in... Curse ain't what it used to be You're in for a rude awakening if you think that the Ishtar even close to compares to the pwnmobile that the Curse was. -Liang I know it probably isn't, but surely it's better than what the Curse now is.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I know it probably isn't, but surely it's better than what the Curse now is. I dunno. Curse vs Vagabond: Curse Ishtar vs Vagabond: Vagabond Curse vs Ishtar: Curse ... The Ishtar is a great ship, but it's a great ship if you accept its limitations... and it actually has quite a few. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I know it probably isn't, but surely it's better than what the Curse now is. I dunno. Curse vs Vagabond: Curse Ishtar vs Vagabond: Vagabond Curse vs Ishtar: Curse ... The Ishtar is a great ship, but it's a great ship if you accept its limitations... and it actually has quite a few. -Liang Good to know.
Kelio Rift FREE GATES DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:39:00 - [60] Well Hello there fellow POD pilots! I fly a Deimos, mostly for NPC pwn, but sometimes I take it out to do some PVP, gangstyle to be precise... Once we had a great battle (a losing one, but very great fun it was). We had tacklers and dictor, so I didn't put up a scrambler... why put up one if someone else is doing the 'dirty work'? Selected a Zealot, at 17km and ate him. He tanked aprox 4,7K damage from me b4 he went down, then I became primary and after more than 8K damage I went down. The Ishtar is very versatile, you can vary the fitting. The Deimos is a Special HAC, you can fit it only one way, for Blasters. Nothing else, only blasters. It is not as slow, faster than the Ishtar, more agile as it is lighter (see ship infos if you don't believe it). Have to admit that both ships need very tough spec to work fine. I have 10M SP in gunnery, so I fly the Deimos. For a tank, it is not as bad as ppl say, and for DPS, it is very good, thought you have to get close to deal something. But again, it is not SLOW. With MWD skill at lvl 4, it goes over 1,8K. "In a living body, a dead, senseless soul floats, waiting for death, yet cannot laugh..."

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