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torN Deception
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:44:00 -
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The Helios is bar none the worst covops in the game.
Why?
Because every other covert ops frigate has three highs.
This lets them fit: Covert ops cloak, recon probe, and a cyno generator.
The Helios can't.
Instead, to make it 'unique' it has a 5m dronebay. This is worthless. If a covops is doing its job it will never engage in combat. Even if it does, it's still so weak combat-wise that it will be taken apart by a t1 frig.
So, simple solution. Remove the drone-bay, shift a med slot to high. |
Ziraion
Fly Hi
Aphelion.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:09:00 -
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Very needed. The Helios has become the weakest covops with the obvious necessity of 3 hi-power slots.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:10:00 -
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Just add the high slot. Keep everything else as it is. If the drone bay is so useless then why not just leave it?
Bellum Eternus
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torN Deception
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Just add the high slot. Keep everything else as it is. If the drone bay is so useless then why not just leave it?
You need to move a slot because otherwise the Helios would have one more than the other covops.
The drone bay is useless but CCP in their wisdom has seemingly decided that single Hobgoblin II is enough to offset the fact that the Helios is far and away the worst covert ops frigate at its defined roles. So if getting rid of the drone bay is the sort of nerf CCP feels is necessary to balance making the Helios as good as the other covops I'm fine with it. |
Avalira
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:02:00 -
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The helios' role is a scout or an exploration vessel. That 5m¦ drone bay is utterly useless for that role, but it has come in handy once for me  . Either nerf the other covert ops to 2 hi-slots or give the helios an extra hi.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:58:00 -
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Mmmm i dunno, that 5m3 drone bay has got me on quite a few killmails from silly people who logoff with agro
I agree it needs +1 high slot though, but i still wouldent say its the worst because of it, in the rare event your probeing a lone hostile and get uncloaked by something it has the ability to fit 4xsensor damps which have saved my ass a couple of times, the Cheetah for one struggles to do this because of less CPU&PG.
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Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:45:00 -
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Zulupark has already clearly stated that the helios can fit a cloak, recon launcher, and cyno. Clearly you're doing something wrong guys =P
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Gar Ddhen
Mining Bytes Inc.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.27 14:08:00 -
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Cov-Ops frigates are for scouting and probing... not for dropping Cynos.
Dropping Cyno's is not in the role description of a cov-ops frigate, if it did they would have the following role bonus:
Role Bonus: 80% reduction in liquid ozone consumption for cynosural field generation and 50% reduction in cynosural field duration.
They dont, that role belongs to the Force Recons.
The Helios is fine as it is.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.27 14:23:00 -
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.... Dropping cyno's IS in the role description of covert ops frigs.
From the Helio's description:
"Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators"
Why a bonus to fit them if its not meant to be able to use them?
Similarly, a bit of common sense suggests that the SCOUT ship with the PROBING bonus might be perfect for finding the enemy, then putting up a covert cyno to allow the black ops to portal in recons and itself to kill it? All the other covops can do this - I do exactly this in my anathema and sin.
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Vadimik
Misty Weave
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Posted - 2008.03.27 18:53:00 -
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Hands off dronebay ! 
It's the only thing that makes helios different and cool.
I would not mind a high for med tradeoff, but dronebay must stay, end of story.
P.S. And what's the fuss really about? Covert op cyno generation takes a rank 5(?) skill to lvl 5, just train some other racial frigs (rank 2) to lvl 5 as well if you what to use in with a probe launcher.
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Jenna Johnson
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Posted - 2008.04.02 04:20:00 -
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just give it an extra high slot but no turret/missle hardpoint. so that it forces to use the drone for its offensive capabilities so now people can fit their covert/salvager etc whatever they want in highs except guns.
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Kshlak
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Posted - 2008.04.02 07:30:00 -
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yeah, dronebay is cool .. lets you pew pew other explorers in helios ^^
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.04.02 10:41:00 -
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DON'T TOUCH THE DRONEBAY >=|
Add a highslot, every ship in the game has been boosted, it's the lowly Gallente's turn to get a boost.
Just add a high. Seriously, nerfing it's midslots is sort of a problem, because even though it IS a covert ops, it actually comes in handy as a damping ship. I have used the Helios in countless numbers of engagements, and I find that 3 RSD with a Hornet ECM drone works great against fleets, and nobody really ever primaries you, because "oh it's just a Helios," which I find amusing ;3
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Scatim Helicon
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Posted - 2008.04.02 20:58:00 -
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Cynogens are too situational to be something you need to carry around all the time, and the dronebay is worth it for the comedy of using a covops to podkill people in safespots. To be honest I like the helios as it is, if you know in advance you'll be using it for hotdrops just swap out the probe launcher.
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Grytok
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.04.02 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Grytok on 02/04/2008 21:55:08
Don't touch the Helios.
It's the best Cov Ops available for doing what it's designed for. Gathering intel and scouting for fleets.
The 5 Med slots are in big favour here, as you can fit a useful combination of MWD, SB, Scram, ECM Burst and a Small CapBattery.
The ECM Burst safed my life more then once.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.03 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: torN Deception
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Just add the high slot. Keep everything else as it is. If the drone bay is so useless then why not just leave it?
You need to move a slot because otherwise the Helios would have one more than the other covops.
The drone bay is useless but CCP in their wisdom has seemingly decided that single Hobgoblin II is enough to offset the fact that the Helios is far and away the worst covert ops frigate at its defined roles. So if getting rid of the drone bay is the sort of nerf CCP feels is necessary to balance making the Helios as good as the other covops I'm fine with it.
Ok, you've told me your reasoning as to why you think CCP shouldn't just leave it as-is and add a high slot.
To that I say: it's all rubbish, they should just add a high slot and be done with it. So what if the Helios has one more slot than all the rest. It doesn't make it OP.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.03 09:10:00 -
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or make it a cyno generator drone 
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.04.03 09:18:00 -
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Don't take away my hobgblin 2 
I wouldn't mind another high and trade it in for a mid, just leave the dronebay as it is, we are Gallente.
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