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NooMat CEO Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:14:00 - [31] ffs next one who doesn't understand what "safe" empire means and whats concord for. Sir u fail in understanding Eve OMG ANOTHER CAOD WARRIOR
Nyabinghi Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:30:00 - [32] Quote: Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop... Loose ships? You mean the ones they have platinum insured? Loss of standing with CONCORD? Which can't be completely circumvented with the use of alts? Which means a slap on the wrist that allows the ganker to repeat his or her actions a few more times until he/she is FINALLY regulated to low-sec? Which means at worst player must go rat (for profit and no restitution to the ganked players) for awhile to which they regain standings and thus can run out and starting ganking again? Quote: The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructible ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck. Only partially true as we have seen people will gank for the sheer act of it, not necessarily looking to profit off of loot. Quote: This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space. Hellooo, alt accounts? ***
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: Lucas Avignon As it stands, if you fill a freighter with a low end mineral like Mexallon, the chances are you will be ganked, to be sure that you aren't ganked you would have to use under half it's capacity. Which makes a freighter kinda pointless unless you are just carrying trit. NEVER fill a freighter with Trit... HE will come.. I thought it was just veldspar, not tritanium as well. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Nephiam Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:42:00 - [34] Originally by: NooMat CEO ffs next one who doesn't understand what "safe" empire means and whats concord for. Sir u fail in understanding Eve The issue is about that the BALANCE is for the gankers - it is a fun, viable option for him to suicide gank etc. WHILE alot is said about people hauling stuff afk to try and make isks - EVE is a slow game (nearly RL slow) so some people want to do stuff but cannot sit at the CPU actively playing. So let them bring u goods to Jita. Don't u think when u look aat he map and choose ships destroyed stat - that something is majorly wrong with JITA having the biggest red dot anywhere - even in times when the big wars were fought in 49- and other systems?? What we want is for freighters to have a fighting chance - now they hae none - even if they are actively played.
Gideon Kross Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Gideon Kross on 27/03/2008 14:08:57 Originally by: Nyabinghi Loose ships? You mean the ones they have platinum insured? Loss of standing with CONCORD? Which can't be completely circumvented with the use of alts? Which means a slap on the wrist that allows the ganker to repeat his or her actions a few more times until he/she is FINALLY regulated to low-sec? Which means at worst player must go rat (for profit and no restitution to the ganked players) for awhile to which they regain standings and thus can run out and starting ganking again? Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. **Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. I was contemplating the immortal words of Socrates; Who said '... I Drank What?!'
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Chribba 1. Give freighters 1 rig slot limited to anything but Astronautics rigs. 8. profit. polycarb all the way baby.. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:17:00 - [37] OP's pretty silly... isn't IAC a pvp alliance? They shouldn't let you post anymore I think. You make 'em look bad.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Gideon Kross Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. **Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. No.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:21:00 - [39] Okay .. riddle me this: If suicide ganking is risk-free because of insurance/alts, why doesn't everyone go and suicide gank the suicide gankers before the suicide gankers suicide gank them? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Tafari Che Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:25:00 - [40] OP, i totally think you should be reimbursed for being lazy and incompetent. This is how it works in the real world right? .. right?
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Freighters are a capital ship that is well within reach of the solo player I can probably buy two carriers atm, it doesn't mean the carrier is a solo ship. Even if it could be in high-sec, it wouldn't be a solo ship. Carriers even need other players (or alts) to move from A to B. Freighters do, too, even if it's not so obvious. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Nyabinghi Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Gideon Kross Edited by: Gideon Kross on 27/03/2008 14:08:57 Originally by: Nyabinghi Loose ships? You mean the ones they have platinum insured? Loss of standing with CONCORD? Which can't be completely circumvented with the use of alts? Which means a slap on the wrist that allows the ganker to repeat his or her actions a few more times until he/she is FINALLY regulated to low-sec? Which means at worst player must go rat (for profit and no restitution to the ganked players) for awhile to which they regain standings and thus can run out and starting ganking again? Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. Yes I like this idea. Kinda restores the idea of CONCORD being for the good lawful citizen. After all it makes no sense for a player to loose sec status for blowing up another player and yet be able to restore sec status by ratting which has nothing to do with PVP. *
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Nyabinghi Yes I like this idea. Kinda restores the idea of CONCORD being for the good lawful citizen. After all it makes no sense for a player to loose sec status for blowing up another player and yet be able to restore sec status by ratting which has nothing to do with PVP. So low-sec pirates should rat their sec status up now? I mean, it's not like I want to, but the idea someone should pay XYZ ISK to get their sec status up is sheer idiocy. At any rate, people loading more ISK then (cost to suicide ship * 4) should be fined for endangering public safety Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Gideon Kross Edited by: Gideon Kross on 27/03/2008 14:08:57 Originally by: Nyabinghi Loose ships? You mean the ones they have platinum insured? Loss of standing with CONCORD? Which can't be completely circumvented with the use of alts? Which means a slap on the wrist that allows the ganker to repeat his or her actions a few more times until he/she is FINALLY regulated to low-sec? Which means at worst player must go rat (for profit and no restitution to the ganked players) for awhile to which they regain standings and thus can run out and starting ganking again? Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. **Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. I'm sure it would. By the way, I have another proposal: Mining in Hi-sec space... well ya see the thing is all those faction police, stations and so forth don't pay for themselves. So... they're gonna have to start taxing you. 20% of everything you earn is pretty fair, don't you think? That's pretty low compared to what most governments charge. So every time ISK gets transfered into your account while one of the parties is in hi-sec, 20% will be taken as a flat tax. I realise this may come as a bit of a shock at first, but you must admit it will certainly remove the allure of invulnerable hi-sec carebearing. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:37:00 - [45] What part of "PvP game in a harsh and cold universe" did you fail to comprehend? Hi-sec is safer. Concord punish, nothing else.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Gideon Kross Edited by: Gideon Kross on 27/03/2008 14:08:57 Originally by: Nyabinghi Loose ships? You mean the ones they have platinum insured? Loss of standing with CONCORD? Which can't be completely circumvented with the use of alts? Which means a slap on the wrist that allows the ganker to repeat his or her actions a few more times until he/she is FINALLY regulated to low-sec? Which means at worst player must go rat (for profit and no restitution to the ganked players) for awhile to which they regain standings and thus can run out and starting ganking again? Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. **Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. yes, yes it would, but that would make eve no fun because we wouldn't have all the carebear tears and/or if suicide ganking wasn't so damn easy to avoid i might consider agreeing.
Nyabinghi Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:00:00 - [47] I actually prefer this solution to that of eliminating insurance payouts on CONCORDOKKENED ships. Why...it almost sounds like justice. ***
Gideon Kross Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Malcanis I'm sure it would. By the way, I have another proposal: Mining in Hi-sec space... well ya see the thing is all those faction police, stations and so forth don't pay for themselves. So... they're gonna have to start taxing you. 20% of everything you earn is pretty fair, don't you think? That's pretty low compared to what most governments charge. So every time ISK gets transfered into your account while one of the parties is in hi-sec, 20% will be taken as a flat tax. I realise this may come as a bit of a shock at first, but you must admit it will certainly remove the allure of invulnerable hi-sec carebearing. Let me point some things out to you... 1st - This is only an Idea.... Relax, Breath Normaly. 2nd - It provides Consequence... Something You seem to be quite fond of proselytizing in Your Own Sig. Personaly, I've allways been a proponent of the concept that the consequences for wreckless action, and blatant stupidity should be Painful, and if not than at least Expensive... Preferably Both. By the way... This ongoing platform of whining because the High-Sec denizens of the game don't feel like playing on a level of constant pvp, and are therefore of little relevence, or concearn other than potential easy targets... It's Old... It's Tired... Give it a rest... Find a more valid point to counter the proposals posted on these boards, please. Keep in mind also, These are only Ideas... It harms noone's playstyle to voice them, or discuss them in a civilised, intelligent manner. Fly Safe. I was contemplating the immortal words of Socrates; Who said '... I Drank What?!'
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Gideon Kross Ok... Here's a novel idea then. Restitution / Damages Fine The Attacker(s) are Fined an amount of ISK equal to the current market value of the victim's ship, it's mods, and any cargo contained therein. CONCORD collects the total amount, subtracting a percentage (25%) as a processing fee. The Remainder is deposited into the Victim's Wallet as a Restitution / Damages Payment. Note: All Members of the Attacking Gang have this Fine levied against them. Guilt By Association. In addition the agressors still lose thier ships, and take the hit to sec-status. _________________________________________________ This would certainly remove the Allure of High-Sec Ganking... One would think. No. Why? I'm perfectly willing to entertain an argument as to why something like this is a bad idea, but if you're not even willing to give any kind of basis to your statements, then why even bother? Originally by:** Euriti What part of "PvP game in a harsh and cold universe" did you fail to comprehend? Hi-sec is safer. Concord punish, nothing else. Please explain in what way Concord currently punishes the suicide ganker, as unfortunately just saying it doesn't make it true. Personally, I'm all for a cold harsh universe, as long as it's just as cold and harsh for everyone. As it stands now, a hauler can lose everything, and the criminals involved will only ever receive a slap on the wrist at best, while being allowed to keep stolen goods and continue in their illegal behavior unchecked and unpunished. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:48:00 - [50] Edited by: Winterblink on 27/03/2008 17:49:46 Originally by: Siresa Talesi Please explain in what way Concord currently punishes the suicide ganker, as unfortunately just saying it doesn't make it true. Personally, I'm all for a cold harsh universe, as long as it's just as cold and harsh for everyone. As it stands now, a hauler can lose everything, and the criminals involved will only ever receive a slap on the wrist at best, while being allowed to keep stolen goods and continue in their illegal behavior unchecked and unpunished. I'll play devil's advocate on this one. Lets assume a scenario like a guy moving a bunch of cargo around. Team A: Target ship Team B: Ganker Team C: CONCORD Team D: Ganker's friend(s)/alt(s) Team A hauls a ton of expensive stuff through "secure space". Team B scans the hull, sees it's full of goodies that probably should have been flown around in something faster, less obvious, better tanked, whatever, etc. Team B blows up Team A. Loss: target ship. Team C blows up Team B. Loss: ganker's ship. Team D swoops in and steal's Team A's loot, hopefully of the phat variety. So, who's at fault with this all-too-common scenario? The target could just as easily fly with their own escorts in case of gankage, taking the cargo before the ganker's cohorts do. Or just not put all their eggs in one basket. The better-prepared one wins out in this case, and rightfully so. In terms of loss, the target loses his junk bucket and the ganker loses a ganking ship. Both are reimbursed in some way for the loss of the ship thanks to a minimum 50% insurance. Far as I can see, the ganker's getting punished. If you really want to stick it to him: expect the gank, be better prepared to defend/scoop your ship/cargo. warp drive active \| nature vraie
VinkNut Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 27/03/2008 12:26:14 Originally by: Inconstant Moon Correct me if I am wrong, but a freighter has NO fitting options. There seems to be an inconsistency here. Freighter is a capital ship, capital ships aren't meant for the solo player. Spoken like the CCP employee you are. Oh, you're not? Freighters are a capital ship that is well within reach of the solo player, and also one of the few that can operate in Empire. Seems to me they are quite acceptable for solo players. Then accept the risk that comes with flying one solo, and that is you can be ganked easily.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:53:00 - [52] 1. Use a scout 2. Don't haul during peak playing hours 3. Don't take the same route over and over again Atleast randomize ur departuretime and route a lil and try to avoid crowded areas. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 20:05:00 - [53] Originally by: VinkNut Then accept the risk that comes with flying one solo, and that is you can be ganked easily. I personally wouldn't fill one with anything more than tritanium. Or metal scraps. Point was, I object to being told how I ought to play the game by people who are neither telepaths nor CCP employees. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
Ilongo Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.27 20:44:00 - [54] Edited by: Ilongo on 27/03/2008 20:45:15 Well, I realise im a newb here, but here goes anyway. First of all, I don't see why alts are allowed in the first place. You only get one chance in life. Sure, you might want to try living in another part of the world, as another race, but you cant. If you want to try living another life, pay for another account. I know this is a game, but alts are so open to exploitation I don't see why they are allowed. Someone mentioned concord being able to fine the gankers, sounds good to me, this is what happens in RL. Shouldn't you be able you insure you cargo loads? Or maybe this is general contracts can already be used in the game? As in players set up insurance companies by issuing contracts. If you get ganked, you get a % of the cost back. For a price of course. In RL you can do this, why not in eve?
Drizit FREEDOM FIRST Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 20:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Originally by: Gamesguy CCP completely disagrees with you. Of course. But... Originally by: CCP Fit to last If you come under attack, more hitpoints and higher resistances can save your ship. The longer it takes to blow you up the likelier it becomes that Concord will bring down the attacker before he brings you down. Correct me if I am wrong, but a freighter has NO fitting options. There seems to be an inconsistency here. You beat me to it, I read it and saw the same stupid error by CCP. In addition, Freighter pilots stand to lose even if they are not carrying any cargo. Ship + cost of insurance alone is twice what the insurance pays out. A loss of half the value of a Freighter amounts to a devastating dent in anyone's wallet. Before anyone mentions the web trick, it doesn't work. Freighters still take an age to align and warp, far longer than it takes for a ganker to wipe it out. Also, it takes less than 20 seconds, (the time it takes Concord to arrive in Jita), to gank your Freighter so unless you can blob enough to gank them in less than 20 seconds, you lose a Freighter so your escort is just as ineffective. Whatever way you do it, the suicide ganker always wins, there is no solution apart from the standard blob tactic that CCP say they are trying to curb. FREIGHTERS NEED A TANK OR THEY ARE JUST BIG INVITATIONS TO GANK! -- Freighters need a tank
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.27 21:21:00 - [56] Was this a t1 freighter or t2? What was able to take it down so easily?
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.27 21:22:00 - [57] One more thing, if you contract a courier mission to yourself somehow, and you get cargo scanned, do they still know what you are carrying??
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.27 21:24:00 - [58] Edited by: Marlona Sky on 27/03/2008 21:24:59 Originally by: Avon Okay .. riddle me this: If suicide ganking is risk-free because of insurance/alts, why doesn't everyone go and suicide gank the suicide gankers before the suicide gankers suicide gank them? Well let me answer your question with a question: And what profit would one get from killing T1 fit ships???
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.27 21:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Marlona Sky One more thing, if you contract a courier mission to yourself somehow, and you get cargo scanned, do they still know what you are carrying?? yes -- Ralara / Ralarina
Jawas The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.27 21:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Marlona Sky Was this a t1 freighter or t2? What was able to take it down so easily? I remember a standard freighter. Taken down by 5 suicide Domis each with blasters and heavy drones in around 17 seconds in Jita. DPS was so high that even 10 remote reppers would not have saved it. more to the point, it had dropped it's cargo and was on it's way back home so there was no cargo to loot. It was done just for the sake of ganking a freighter, they had already scanned it so they knew it was empty. -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.

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