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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:36:00 -
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Boma Airaken wrote:Frankly I think the generalization that the Sani Sabik are godless heathens is pretty safe.
Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
11
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:51:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Boma Airaken wrote:Frankly I think the generalization that the Sani Sabik are godless heathens is pretty safe. Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm.
Oh you humor me so. Thank you oh wise one for this absolutely delightful exchange. I haven't been this amused in many years. |
Dilaro thagriin
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
30
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:11:00 -
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I may have to join Boma here in his amused state. Khazarn must need glasses. Really good ones. Either that or he's currently light headed from blood loss.
'your theology council' ... indeed.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
187
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:21:00 -
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I think Mr. Airaken would make a fine addition to the Theology Council! He would be well placed take the Empire in exciting new directions |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
73
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:34:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Boma Airaken wrote:Frankly I think the generalization that the Sani Sabik are godless heathens is pretty safe. Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm.
Boma's a follower of a different Ardishapur than the one you're likely thinking of, Khazarn - namely Ocilan Ardishapur, which would make him an Equilibrium loyalist. He doesn't have a government - he's pretty much in full opposition to the Empire as it stands, and the vast majority of other governments as well.
At least as far as I've bothered to figure out on my own time, anyway.
That said, I'm not sure I see the point of going "hurr hurr, look at him, he doesn't know what he's talking about" and not bothering to explain, Boma. It's not particularly constructive to the discussion. |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:08:00 -
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Ah my mistake then, i havent had any personal dealings with the Equilibrium and know little of their ways, so i hope i will be excused in assuming Mr Airaken was an Amarrian Loyalist.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
187
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:24:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Ah my mistake then, i havent had any personal dealings with the Equilibrium and know little of their ways, so i hope i will be excused in assuming Mr Airaken was an Amarrian Loyalist.
You could say the Equilibrium are the original loyalists. As some petulant youth might say, they are "old school."
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:45:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
You could say the Equilibrium are the original loyalists. As some petulant youth might say, they are "old school."
I remember reading the odd news article about them, something along the lines of a terrorist plot if memory serves me correctly, i think ill dig around and find out more, who knows i may find the odd article that will help pass the time waiting for fresh captures to enter system.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
189
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:46:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:
You could say the Equilibrium are the original loyalists. As some petulant youth might say, they are "old school."
I remember reading the odd news article about them, something along the lines of a terrorist plot if memory serves me correctly, i think ill dig around and find out more, who knows i may find the odd article that will help pass the time waiting for fresh captures to enter system.
Indeed my dear, but as we all know 'terrorist' depends entirely on where one is standing.
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Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
11
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:50:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:
That said, I'm not sure I see the point of going "hurr hurr, look at him, he doesn't know what he's talking about" and not bothering to explain, Boma. It's not particularly constructive to the discussion.
I do not tell you how to behave, so I would appreciate it if you would extend me the same courtesy.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
785
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Posted - 2012.03.01 05:12:00 -
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Oh man, doesn't anyone remember the good old days when membership in the Sani Sabik was rare and exotic, and those precious few who did partake of it were interesting and nuanced?
... yeah, me neither. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Astera Zandraki
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach
2
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:29:00 -
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What a bunch of whakos. Well, have fun with each other. |
Aodha Khan
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Oh man, doesn't anyone remember the good old days when membership in the Sani Sabik was rare and exotic, and those precious few who did partake of it were interesting and nuanced?
... yeah, me neither.
I do remember those days well and I also remember you running away like a squealing pig when the Sabik came calling. Now crawl back into your hole little man where you belong. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
786
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:42:00 -
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Aodha Khan wrote:I do remember those days well and I also remember you running away like a squealing pig when the Sabik came calling. Now crawl back into your hole little man where you belong.
Oh, and I remember the days when you took credit for other people's accomplishments.
They're still unfolding, right now.
And actually, I stood and fought when the Cartel came calling, so you didn't even get that right. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Aodha Khan
Deviance Cartel
13
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:19:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Aodha Khan wrote:I do remember those days well and I also remember you running away like a squealing pig when the Sabik came calling. Now crawl back into your hole little man where you belong. Oh, and I remember the days when you took credit for other people's accomplishments. They're still unfolding, right now. And actually, I stood and fought when the Cartel came calling, so you didn't even get that right.
The Cartel?!
Other peoples accomplishments? You know so little of our inner workings I find it amusing to say the least. You kept us entertained for a moment I give you that much credit.
My point is clear, stay out of Sabik affairs you already know how that ends ... |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
786
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:08:00 -
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Aodha Khan wrote:Other peoples accomplishments? You know so little of our inner workings I find it amusing to say the least. You kept us entertained for a moment I give you that much credit.
My point is clear, stay out of Sabik affairs you already know how that ends ...
Let's see, Aodha. I went on to bigger and better things. You're still crowing about a victory you had four years ago with the support of an organisation six times the size of the one you're rocking now. It must be hard to have the one defining achievement of your life be "defeated Andreus Ixiris back when he had no fighting skill".
Like I said, I don't remember the days when Sabik were intelligent or nuanced. I also don't remember the days when I gave a **** what the Sani Sabik threatened, and they haven't started yet, either. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:02:00 -
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The Blood Raider Covenant have been actively at war with the Amarr Empire/Khanid Kingdom for many years attacking both Navy personell and raiding civilian populations in lightning assaults in order to bolster blood farm production.
Also, Mr Ixiris is trying to generalise the Sani Sabik into one category and as stated throughout this topic this is a useless and futile thing to do with the amout of varied cults throughout New Eden.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Aodha Khan
Deviance Cartel
14
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: Let's see, Aodha. I went on to bigger and better things.
Your little useless 5 man corp is better and bigger things? If you had anything of worth you would be getting a knock on your door right about now.
As for what you know about achievements and what happens inside our inner circles you know nothing so your opinion is as worthless as your blood is. Shame you couldnt have shown some value to us and worked your way past being a worthless peon. I would have enjoyed watching you squeal again.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
786
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Aodha Khan wrote:Your little useless 5 man corp is better and bigger things? If you had anything of worth you would be getting a knock on your door right about now.
As for what you know about achievements and what happens inside our inner circles you know nothing so your opinion is as worthless as your blood is. Shame you couldnt have shown some value to us and worked your way past being a worthless peon. I would have enjoyed watching you squeal again.
It's funny, though, The weak and insecure always make excuses for why they aren't doing things - "you're just not worth the effort". I remember because back when I was weak and insecure, those were the precise excuses I used.
Congratulations. We've turned into each other. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.03.09 13:16:00 -
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Ah and now back to discussing Sani Sabik, also apologies for my absence in this thread as it does take some considerable time to set up a planetary blood farm even with today's technology, I tell you the piping alone is a nightmare.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
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Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:08:00 -
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I have a question for you, Captain Areth. Well, more of a hypothetical.
Suppose I were to present two 'offerings.' One is the blood of a capsuleer clone, which I have taken to presume is highly prized for its qualities. The other is a nanofactured blood that has never been inside a human body but is chemically and biologically indistinguishable from the first sample. Would you be able to detect the difference, and if so, how? Further, what implications would there be for the use of the second votive offering? Thank you.
Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors. I have a neural imbalance which affects my ability to communicate. |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:39:00 -
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To your first question there would obviously be no way of knowing if it is a biological match to the blood of a clone.
To your second question the answer is a spiritual one, using blood that has never been within a living clone body, or a normal human for that matter, is worthless to us as a symbol of power and strength, to truly taste power, feel it and make use of it in ritual meditation along the path of enlightenment the blood must come from a living being.
To myself and my crew blood is life, it represents immortality and power and any substitute is unacceptable. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
193
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:54:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote: To myself and my crew blood is life, it represents immortality and power and any substitute is unacceptable.
I also imagine for dear Areth that an artificial source would also remove the... thrill of the chase, for lack of a better term.
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Blood Onyx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:45:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:I have a question for you, Captain Areth. Well, more of a hypothetical.
Suppose I were to present two 'offerings.' One is the blood of a capsuleer clone, which I have taken to presume is highly prized for its qualities. The other is a nanofactured blood that has never been inside a human body but is chemically and biologically indistinguishable from the first sample. Would you be able to detect the difference, and if so, how? Further, what implications would there be for the use of the second votive offering? Thank you.
The important thing to recall is that, although it is a universally acknowledged symbol among Sabik cults across the cluster, blood is still a symbol. A synthetic, manufactured product is meaningless, because it has never been alive, and thus has no symbolism of relevance. |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:03:00 -
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I would imagine some of the more liberal Sabik cults, those one would mostly find with halfhearted teenage adherents shambling and shuffling the night away while calling it dancing in some night club on a Federation world, would find manufactured and engineered blood to be acceptable. It may not come directly from a living being, but it has the same capacity to sustain a living being. In that way one could interpret it as still having some essence of life. On top of that it would be arguably more pure in a sense that it had never been part of a person before and therefore never part of the weaknesses of that person.
If anything various Sabik cults accepting engineered blood would actually have some precedent. It is widely accepted that the use of blood in Sabik rituals is analogous to traditional Amarrian use of Sacred Waters for rituals. And it is a matter of simple historic fact that as the Empire grew, the church had to locate and designate different sources of water that are considered sacred. |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:07:00 -
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Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
If anything various Sabik cults accepting engineered blood would actually have some precedent. It is widely accepted that the use of blood in Sabik rituals is analogous to traditional Amarrian use of Sacred Waters for rituals. And it is a matter of simple historic fact that as the Empire grew, the church had to locate and designate different sources of water that are considered sacred.
Whilst this is a possiblity for the 'milder' cults of Sani Sabik that are embedded within Gallente society, who would no doubt need to move with the laws in place and limit what blood they can use depending on how 'underground' they are, it would not hold with the completely independant Sani Sabik such as The Covenant (the reasons are included in my previous comment)
Clone and lesser blood is available to us in huge amounts, literally 'on tap' thanks to Covenant scientists, Hunt-and-Grab raids and our vast blood farms built to serve the vast demand for the life force needed in our many rituals and the consecration of Raider vessels.
The said 'fake' blood could be considered acceptable if it were filtered through a live host of worthy power. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2012.03.10 09:16:00 -
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The human farm is for farming humans. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2012.03.10 16:47:00 -
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Blood Onyx wrote: A Blooder acts as they believe is correct, takes want they want and does as they wish, answering to no one. A Sabik acts on their own beliefs, but does not presume to evangelise or consider themselves to be above all reproach.
So the beliefs of the blooder/sabik are whatever the individual wants them to be (aka "their own beliefs"), there are no set tenets that followers must adhere to. Why are we having this discussion at all then?
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Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2012.03.10 17:01:00 -
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Blood Onyx wrote:Scherezad wrote:I have a question for you, Captain Areth. Well, more of a hypothetical.
Suppose I were to present two 'offerings.' One is the blood of a capsuleer clone, which I have taken to presume is highly prized for its qualities. The other is a nanofactured blood that has never been inside a human body but is chemically and biologically indistinguishable from the first sample. Would you be able to detect the difference, and if so, how? Further, what implications would there be for the use of the second votive offering? Thank you. The important thing to recall is that, although it is a universally acknowledged symbol among Sabik cults across the cluster, blood is still a symbol. A synthetic, manufactured product is meaningless, because it has never been alive, and thus has no symbolism of relevance.
So the symbol has to be real to be a fit symbol of itself...
If the blood's symbolism depends directly on it's rality, then it's not a symbol at all, but reality.
Whew! You must be tired from all those leaps of logic.
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.03.10 17:02:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote: So the beliefs of the blooder/sabik are whatever the individual wants them to be (aka "their own beliefs"), there are no set tenets that followers must adhere to. Why are we having this discussion at all then?
Because as stated before the majority of Sabik Sects follow a core belief system, many based around similar principles.
This discussion is intended to educate those ignorant of Sani Sabik in any form. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
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