"My word lies within all,
All it requires is the breath of faith,
To ignite the fire,
So the lost can find their way,
So the fallen can rise,
To take their place as my chosen,
For you are all my creation,
And are all equal in my kingdom."
-Apocryphon, Lost Passages

Brothers and Sisters of New Eden i have begun this thread in order to discuss the ways of the Sani Sabik faith in hopes to enlighten and inform those ignorant of our ways and whilst many of you know me as a member of the Covenant this topic will focus mainly on the roots of all Sani Sabik sects throughout New Eden because as many of you are probably aware the Blood Friends are active in nearly every area of space be it belonging to an empire of some kind or not.

I would ask our Amarrian loyalist friends keep their cries of "Heresy!" and "You will be reclaimed!" to a minimum, this is not a childish thread for simpletons, proper theorys and opinions if you please.

So, Capsuleers of the IGS, what does Sani Sabik mean to you?

Which practices do you speak of Mr Cresthill?

I assume you speak of the blooding process practiced by the Covenant, the aim of which is to make those bled whole again, it is a process of enlightenment we give to those captures that do not wish to join us, I will elaborate further on my preferred methods later as I have a crew briefing to attend to now.

And as to your scripted ramblings that is your indoctrinated opinion and you are welcome to it.

May the wretched Sarum burn.

... in order to discuss the ways of the Sani Sabik faith in hopes to enlighten and inform those ignorant of our ways

if you do not sufficiently respect your victims to even take their life force in person, leaving it to an unfeeling, unthinking machine... why do you want their blood in the first place?

If I were to believe in superstitious hocus-pocus, I would much prefer to believe in good hocus-pocus instead of bad hocus-pocus that'll get me reclaimed.

personal journey focusing more on their self.

Self
Self-ish
Self-centered
Self-focused
self-destructive

That is what you are.

The Sani Sabik are the among the filthiest of dogs.

Anyone who doubts this should cast their minds back to the events of June and July 107.

without fully realising what the full picture is.

Mr Blake is making the common error of assuming all Sani Sabik are members of The Blood Raider Covenant and that all practitioners of the faith are the same, they are not.

And Mr Cresthill, The Black Pigs are pirates not of the Sani Sabik faith. I do however fly with them as they provide excellent support to my current activities by keeping the navy very preoccupied, its is another error of the Imperials to speak and spew forth their indoctrinated jargon without fully realising what the full picture is.

I do not hide the fact that i am a supporter of Omir.

Mr Cresthill could you keep the hysterical outbursts to a minimum.

And would Mr Blake kindly contribute to the main topic also, again, this is not about my version of the Sani Sabik faith it is a discussion on the basic principles, the foundations if you will.

Don't be delusional.

And would Mr Blake kindly contribute to the main topic also, again, this is not about my version of the Sani Sabik faith it is a discussion on the basic principles, the foundations if you will.

The Sani Sabik are the among the filthiest of dogs.

Anyone who doubts this should cast their minds back to the events of June and July 107.

A Sabik acts on their own beliefs, but does not presume to evangelise or consider themselves to be above all reproach.

You've clearly never encountered the same self-proclaimed Sani Sabik cultists as I have then...

Onyx has the gist of the differences quite right, but unfortunately Blake is correct in criticizing that particular sentence.

The belief of one's own superiority is a centrepoint of Sani Sabik.

Oh so the xenophobic, warmongering, slaver calls us egotistical megalomaniacs?

Xenophobic? No, true Amarrians embrace all people to bring them to God.
Warmongering? No, our battles serve only to bring people to peace with God.
Slaver? No, Holders of those wandering ones who are precious to God.

Khazarn Areth, you are an egotistical megalomaniac as are all those who led by the deception of their own self-godhood.

you have free will Mr Cresthill but you are not yet free.

This is the delusion of Sani Sabik. To believe that engaging in the depravity of blood ritual and then to self-designate it as "superior" is the height of megalomania and egoism.

...perfect sense.

Crazy people ranting at crazy people as to who's imaginary friend is the right one. Well done, people.

Odd, I was under the impression that the 'Red God' was pretty big with your religion, considering it is an offshoot of the traditional Imperial Faith.

Most Sani Sabik do not follow a god, .

The Sani Sabik are Anthroentheists. They "follow" the self-enshrined, egocentric, self-deification of personal godhood. Such a theology justifies whatever they want to do, however they want to do it.

Odd, I was under the impression that the 'Red God' was pretty big with your religion, considering it is an offshoot of the traditional Imperial Faith.

binds you in servitude to the Empire..

Each Sani Sabik sect differs wildly whilst some do indeed worship this 'Red God' as an alternative to the Loyalist Amarrian 'God' most, especially The Blood Raiders, look to themselves for strength, sometimes with the help of personal/group rituals or blooding as a form of meditation on the path to enlightenment.

You've clearly never encountered the same self-proclaimed Sani Sabik cultists as I have then...

Yes, I am bound in service to the Empire.

I get the feeling I'm voicing the unspoken sentiments of a number of people who frequent the IGS when I say that it's a pity that that service hasn't also bound your mouth shut.

It might have been better to have said "many Sabik" instead of "most". Given the very large number of different sects, I would wager it rather difficult for any one person to know exactly what the differences are between all of them - even something as binary as whether they follow a god or not.

That said, do all Sani Sabik sects ascribe to forced blood sacrifice? Edit: I should clarify: while all Sani Sabik rely on blood in some manner or another, how do other sects go about it?

Also, does consuming blood have an effect on intelligence and coherence? Followers of the vanilla Amarr faith seem to me mouthbreathers far more often.

Indeed you have. It sounds like some Sabik practices may actually be inspired by Matari tribal rituals. I learned something new today, I suppose.

Now back to our regular broadcast of Amarr fundamentalists shouting "Heretic!!" at the top of their lungs.

Indeed you have. It sounds like some Sabik practices may actually be inspired by Matari tribal rituals. I learned something new today, I suppose.

Now back to our regular broadcast of Amarr fundamentalists shouting "Heretic!!" at the top of their lungs.

Excellent opportunity for research, and it looks like I am done with mine. Some findings:

There is absolutely no difference between the Blood Raiders and the Sani Sabik, they are effectively, at least spiritually and traditionally, one in the same.

Any references to a deity, be it a "Red God" or otherwise, is basically just a cult within a cult. Neither Blood Raiders nor the Sani Sabik at large practice any sort of deism, it is more akin to tribal witchcraft.

There is no actual faith involved, it is essentially superstition mixed the idea that a man can be better than another man.

The picture is much clearer to me now. Thanks to all who participated.

Frankly I think the generalization that the Sani Sabik are godless heathens is pretty safe.

Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm.

Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm.

Ah my mistake then, i havent had any personal dealings with the Equilibrium and know little of their ways, so i hope i will be excused in assuming Mr Airaken was an Amarrian Loyalist.

You could say the Equilibrium are the original loyalists. As some petulant youth might say, they are "old school."

I remember reading the odd news article about them, something along the lines of a terrorist plot if memory serves me correctly, i think ill dig around and find out more, who knows i may find the odd article that will help pass the time waiting for fresh captures to enter system.

That said, I'm not sure I see the point of going "hurr hurr, look at him, he doesn't know what he's talking about" and not bothering to explain, Boma. It's not particularly constructive to the discussion.

Oh man, doesn't anyone remember the good old days when membership in the Sani Sabik was rare and exotic, and those precious few who did partake of it were interesting and nuanced?

... yeah, me neither.

I do remember those days well and I also remember you running away like a squealing pig when the Sabik came calling. Now crawl back into your hole little man where you belong.

Oh, and I remember the days when you took credit for other people's accomplishments.

They're still unfolding, right now.

And actually, I stood and fought when the Cartel came calling, so you didn't even get that right.

Other peoples accomplishments? You know so little of our inner workings I find it amusing to say the least. You kept us entertained for a moment I give you that much credit.

My point is clear, stay out of Sabik affairs you already know how that ends ...

Let's see, Aodha. I went on to bigger and better things.

Your little useless 5 man corp is better and bigger things? If you had anything of worth you would be getting a knock on your door right about now.

As for what you know about achievements and what happens inside our inner circles you know nothing so your opinion is as worthless as your blood is. Shame you couldnt have shown some value to us and worked your way past being a worthless peon. I would have enjoyed watching you squeal again.

To myself and my crew blood is life, it represents immortality and power and any substitute is unacceptable.

I have a question for you, Captain Areth. Well, more of a hypothetical.

Suppose I were to present two 'offerings.' One is the blood of a capsuleer clone, which I have taken to presume is highly prized for its qualities. The other is a nanofactured blood that has never been inside a human body but is chemically and biologically indistinguishable from the first sample. Would you be able to detect the difference, and if so, how? Further, what implications would there be for the use of the second votive offering? Thank you.

If anything various Sabik cults accepting engineered blood would actually have some precedent. It is widely accepted that the use of blood in Sabik rituals is analogous to traditional Amarrian use of Sacred Waters for rituals. And it is a matter of simple historic fact that as the Empire grew, the church had to locate and designate different sources of water that are considered sacred.

A Blooder acts as they believe is correct, takes want they want and does as they wish, answering to no one. A Sabik acts on their own beliefs, but does not presume to evangelise or consider themselves to be above all reproach.

The important thing to recall is that, although it is a universally acknowledged symbol among Sabik cults across the cluster, blood is still a symbol. A synthetic, manufactured product is meaningless, because it has never been alive, and thus has no symbolism of relevance.

So the beliefs of the blooder/sabik are whatever the individual wants them to be (aka "their own beliefs"), there are no set tenets that followers must adhere to. Why are we having this discussion at all then?

we take all the captures blood slowly, to make them whole at last.

Because as stated before the majority of Sabik Sects follow a core belief system, many based around similar principles.

This discussion is intended to educate those ignorant of Sani Sabik in any form.

Ha! Seems the only ones not being "made whole" are the cultists themselves..

Pity, that

I've read this entire thread and there is yet no explanation as to what, precisely, that core belief system is. I don't think you guys even know either, seeing as your OP is asking what it means to us, then switching to educate us on what the "core beliefs" are and failing to deliver. Seems like a veiled way of asking us to teach you what it is.

That may be because for many capsuleer Sanik Sabik adherents, the "core beliefs" seem to vary from day to day according to what they find expedient.

So, Capsuleers of the IGS, what does Sani Sabik mean to you?

Heresy!

You will be Reclaimed!

That may be because for many capsuleer Sanik Sabik adherents, the "core beliefs" seem to vary from day to day according to what they find expedient.

And Imperial loyalists of course have no variety of religious beliefs, practices, and political differences among the faithful. How silly of me to forget.

Heresy is heresy regardless.

So the symbol has to be real to be a fit symbol of itself...

If the blood's symbolism depends directly on it's rality, then it's not a symbol at all, but reality.

Whew! You must be tired from all those leaps of logic.

The third - the blooding conducted by Blood Raiders, most notably. The details I cannot speak of, as it is not a practice I undertake or comprehend; but once again, a substitute has no connection, no personality, no energy, no life - and no point.

Where would we be if we all had none?

The Explanatory Leaflet is a Leaflet that Explains.

It is derived from first principles.

These are the 4 Main passages of the Scriptures that are relevant.

Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen.
- The Scriptures, Book II 2:1

Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5

Rejoice, o chosen of God
For our blood fills this Valley of Death,
Proclaiming our sacrifice to God,
And he shall raise it up for all time
- The Scriptures, Saint Junip 15:11

My word lies within all,
All it requires is the breath of faith,
To ignite the fire,
So the lost can find their way,
So the fallen can rise,
To take their place as my chosen,
For you are all my creation,
And are all equal in my kingdom.
- Apocryphon, Lost Passages.


Origins:

Disaffected persons & Holders, unhappy at their lot in life, argue that many people, e.g. Heirs and Holders and such, are Not Righteous, and it is only the Chosen who are righteous. Defined by actions, not social status or hereditary positions.

This then explains the Apocryphon.


The Chosen:

The Blood Friends are the Chosen, the others are not chosen, and are all sinners.


Blood of Sinners:

Sinners blood is unrighteous, and as the Scriptures say, the Lord drowned the sinners in their own blood.


Draining blood:

Blood loss causes delirium, and with the appropriate suggestion, religious visions, crossing the boundary to the spirit world. or similar.
Draining blood from the sinners, allows their soul to soar and be close to God, giving them redemption.
Draining blood from converts/the chosen allows the same religious visions, and refilling it creates the bond of blood-brothers and such things.


Therefore, raiding the Unrighteous, and offering them conversion to the Blood Friends, is a noble act. Those that convert, are Saved, yaay. Those that don't, their blood is drained, allowing them to be close to God and be saved that way instead, yaay.

And the Theology Council tells lies and slanders.

Only works if you take the word "blood" literally.

And the St. Junip passage works a lot better for us than any other branch of the Amarr faith.

Draining blood:

Blood loss causes delirium, and with the appropriate suggestion, religious visions, crossing the boundary to the spirit world. or similar.
Draining blood from the sinners, allows their soul to soar and be close to God, giving them redemption.
Draining blood from converts/the chosen allows the same religious visions, and refilling it creates the bond of blood-brothers and such things.


Therefore, raiding the Unrighteous, and offering them conversion to the Blood Friends, is a noble act. Those that convert, are Saved, yaay. Those that don't, their blood is drained, allowing them to be close to God and be saved that way instead, yaay.

And the Theology Council tells lies and slanders.

...rather than get all religious and violent about your crazy visions?

On another note, devotees, sycophants, and the curious alike will be pleased to know the first volume of my great treatise will be completed in the near future, with selected passages available on the IGS.

On another note, devotees, sycophants, and the curious alike will be pleased to know the first volume of my great treatise will be completed in the near future, with selected passages available on the IGS.

There will be a book tour of course, and a lucky few of you might just receive signed copies.

In honor of the late, great Heiderann and the miserable failure of the Pax Amarria, I'm calling this work the Pax Dominatus.

Stay tuned.