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Callyente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:08:00 - [1] Well, I guess it's official. For me anyways. If any of you are killing some isk farmers with random names and they offer you money to stop... my advice is to kill them. I've been having fun extorting isk from them to keep from blowing them up. I log on today to find my wallet in the negative ballance. Awesome I think, so I check it out and a GM had withdrawn it all. The only thing I can attribute this to is the Isk I was payed by some of the miners as it coresponded to similar ammounts "donated" over the last few weeks. Ah well, lesson learned. Pirate on!
Tchell Dahhn Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:22:00 - [2] Been there, done that, never got any money. I had a guy beg me - BEG ME - for about five minutes to let his ship go, and said he'd give me his cargo, and an additional 20 ice that he'd farmed... I didn't buy it, so he stayed in structure, scrammed, while he dropped me 3 ice, claiming it was all he had. Yeah, right - he was the one who ganked the 14 ice out of the can I had just filled, so I knew he was full of it. I got tired of it after all that, and blew him up anyway. And yes, all of the ice in his cargo (which he now claimed was empty) was destroyed.
Animin Mannja School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Callyente Awesome I think, so I check it out and a GM had withdrawn it all. Might actually want to try and petition that. GMs obviously removed it thinking you bought it, but seeing as it's legitimate ransom isk... Perhaps their logs will show something?
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:21:00 - [4] Post the chatlogs of the ransoms and you can probably get it back. Around here someplace there is a post of a senior GM saying that money gotten legitimately from farmers is still good and they will not say it. I think it might be about a year ago maybe 2. But yeah, i wont be ransoming isk farmers anymore because of this, but i have tried and failed in the past. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:30:00 - [5] Check your journal and post the name of the pharmer(s) who paid you. It should be obvious from the amount of ISK deducted. Then see if they are still playing online. I'd petition it as well. GM's should be able to discern between ISK laundering and ISK obtained by legal means.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:49:00 - [6] lol... yeah, I've only tried and failed at getting a ransom from farmers. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Mozohl Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:10:00 - [7] Reminds me of my former corp Nth'rack Squadron or something before I left them. Someday one of them was crying in corp chan, he claimed to have a some bug where his wallet was in negative by a few hundred millions, what a laugh, poor guy, if he had known you he would have come up with a brilliant story just like you.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:21:00 - [8] Yep , it's the reason we don't ransom farmers , you never know when it gets removed (it's dirty ISK) I think it's more or less intended , farmers are rats in white brackets , not part of the community. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu edit: Wow, that was unpleasant, I felt pity for someone. Won't happen again.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:23:00 - [9] Originally by: techzer0 lol... yeah, I've only tried and failed at getting a ransom from farmers. heh remember the guy that got a bil
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 03:23:00 - [10] Hmm.. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for farmers to strike back at those who hunt them. They could just deposit cash in your wallet, whether you asked for it or not, then report you to a GM as an ISK buyer. They have so many accounts and so much ISK that it would be nothing for them to do this, potentially causing a lot of pain to legit players. ---- I am Super Cool
Shae Tiann Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Sirius Problem Hmm.. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for farmers to strike back at those who hunt them. They could just deposit cash in your wallet, whether you asked for it or not, then report you to a GM as an ISK buyer. Oh good lord, don't give them ideas o_O
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I got tired of it after all that, and blew him up anyway. How could you (gj) ...
RuleoftheBone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:54:00 - [13] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 28/03/2008 10:54:43 Actually this thread topic is something myself and others have wondered about. I used to try and ransom even the obvious mission macro Ravens/random BS's. I stopped attempting ransoms of such because of concerns over exactly what happened to the OP. Now they just get popped/podded without bothering with convo's. The topic actually bears further questioning. I have had non-macro pilots hint or outright admit to me in ransom convo's that they have purchased ISK for cash (see customer support section on Veto web site for fun chat logs). What is CCP's stance on taking that ISK derived from a fair ingame ransom on my part? Do they actually check the pilots involved or is guilt presumed and up to us to petition after getting shafted like the OP? Are outlaws now going to have to keep detailed records of each ransom to be able to later prove actual events? This needs clarifying from CCP's standpoint please. If tainted ISK is now an outlaws potential liability I sure as HELL won't be doing much ransoming anymore...and that would make me (and a lot of my fine "clients") a very sad scallywag . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Gaven Blands interimo	Posted - 2008.03.28 12:52:00 - [14] You will learn to not mess about with CCP's favourite customers. Or you will be ejected from the game. -- and with this Post, I scent this thread. Biased moderators are on the way.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.28 13:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Sirius Problem Hmm.. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for farmers to strike back at those who hunt them. They could just deposit cash in your wallet, whether you asked for it or not, then report you to a GM as an ISK buyer. They have so many accounts and so much ISK that it would be nothing for them to do this, potentially causing a lot of pain to legit players. if I got a load of unsolicited isk i would be the one petitioning, and then wouldn't spend it at all i have seen what happens when this happens and you do spend it -750mil wallets are a damn good reason to quit q: hey guys i got a bil!?!? us: uhhhh i would petition that q: Well its been a few weeks I'm going to spend it and the gm closed the petition us: bad idea don't do it! q: (another week and) awwww fux -700mil wallet us: told you
Callyente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 13:26:00 - [16] I've sent in a petition with the chat logs. Now I guess it's the wait game....
Sarah Tairnesh Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 13:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Nexa Necis GM's should be able to discern between ISK laundering and ISK obtained by legal means. Heh, calling ransoming legal sounds strange. Not saying that it shouldn't be done in general, it's just the connection that sounds a bit off.
SkeletonDenial	Posted - 2008.03.28 14:19:00 - [18] Best way to make money from these guys is to pop the haulers until the SWA Raven(s) begin to show up. Then pop the Raven(s). They tend to have good mods that drop like,(yes teh Ravens), like 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launchers, Domination Ballistic Control Systems, and 'Pandemonium' I Ballistic Enhancements. shrugs Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Fractus Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 14:48:00 - [19] Originally by: SkeletonDenial ... Yes. I even heard rumors that if you kill enough haulers, there is a chance a navy raven might spawn
easei AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.03.28 15:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Sirius Problem Hmm.. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for farmers to strike back at those who hunt them. They could just deposit cash in your wallet, whether you asked for it or not, then report you to a GM as an ISK buyer. They have so many accounts and so much ISK that it would be nothing for them to do this, potentially causing a lot of pain to legit players. I know of a case where this happened.
Vargrh Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:44:00 - [21] To be honest that wouldn't be too hard for GM's to spot as bull**** griefing either, as a player who can be seen to regularly engage in combat / high sec suicide against isk farmers suddently getting a large isk injection + a report of 'buying isk' is going to look ridiculously suspicious.
sethfon	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:28:00 - [22] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 28/03/2008 10:56:00 Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 28/03/2008 10:54:43 Actually this thread topic is something myself and others have wondered about. I used to try and ransom even the obvious mission macro Ravens/random BS's. I stopped attempting ransoms of such because of concerns over exactly what happened to the OP. Now they just get popped/podded without bothering with convo's. The topic actually bears further questioning. I have had non-macro pilots hint or outright admit to me in ransom convo's that they have purchased ISK for cash (see customer support section on Veto web site for fun chat logs). What is CCP's stance on taking that ISK derived from a fair ingame ransom on my part? Do they actually check the pilots involved or is guilt presumed and up to us to petition after getting shafted like the OP? Are outlaws now going to have to keep detailed records of each ransom to be able to later prove actual events? This needs clarifying from CCP's standpoint please. If tainted ISK is now an outlaws potential liability I sure as HELL won't be doing much ransoming anymore...and that would make me a very sad scallywag. And the "clients" would be even sadder Well this just happen to me in some ways very close to what op saying and in this post here. I had six accounts two main and 4 support. 4 where with gtc and the two main i pay for out of my cc. So like many here i am being a Say hey why not ransome farmers for isk to be a Help pay the bills so to speak. Not a good idea Back away from the cake it is Poisoned ! I go on for a while and say self this is going to get bad! Well it did and now i am -1 billion in isk. I was getting out of the ransome business when the hammer fell on my little pea brain! I did petiton ask why kinda know lol The lead GM responds back and say i am well s.o.l if you know what i mean. Well i am not the best writer as you can see here so explainning my crime actives, well i did not really do a good job. To there side though it was crime and i was doing it to get easy isk I just thought by reading the rules that i could do this( it Say's you can not Buy isk with Real world money) Oh except GTC lol. My main question and still is why do the GM's do things with out even contacting you? Even the IRS does that just before they take all your money. I would say the system is broken when the people that are here to be customes service are not doing a good job! Just being GODs with no accountablity makes things tuff for the people that are paying for there game playing! NOW just to set the rocords straight i did not buy isk i use what i thought was a flaw in the system to extort isk.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:59:00 - [23] The GMs probably think that ransoming is a cover-up of isk-cash buying lol.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:12:00 - [24] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar The GMs probably think that ransoming is a cover-up of isk-cash buying lol. Or they try to protect their best customers, those who don't petition, don't whine on forums, and those who keep customers in game. It's very likely because CCP did the maths, more people are staying in game because they can buy ISKs than people leaving out of disgust. That and if tomorrow farmers were all banned many POS would come offline within a week for lack of ice products... Hence farmers are now an integral part to the game, and messing with them is messing with CCP. It won't be tolerated. If you want farmer ISKs, buy them, that's the CCP sanctioned way. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar The GMs probably think that ransoming is a cover-up of isk-cash buying lol. Or they try to protect their best customers, those who don't petition, don't whine on forums, and those who keep customers in game. It's very likely because CCP did the maths, more people are staying in game because they can buy ISKs than people leaving out of disgust. That and if tomorrow farmers were all banned many POS would come offline within a week for lack of ice products... Hence farmers are now an integral part to the game, and messing with them is messing with CCP. It won't be tolerated. If you want farmer ISKs, buy them, that's the CCP sanctioned way. you need to train sarcasm more, for a second i thought you said that the RL money trade was an integral part of eve. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Callyente Well, I guess it's official. For me anyways. If any of you are killing some isk farmers with random names and they offer you money to stop... my advice is to kill them. I've been having fun extorting isk from them to keep from blowing them up. I log on today to find my wallet in the negative ballance. Awesome I think, so I check it out and a GM had withdrawn it all. The only thing I can attribute this to is the Isk I was payed by some of the miners as it coresponded to similar ammounts "donated" over the last few weeks. Ah well, lesson learned. Pirate on! Yea that would kind of ****** me off. If ccp continues to punish there customers for playing there game well they will have no customers left soon. especially when the new mmorpg stargate worlds comes out i dont think il be staying around due to the way i have been treated by them. And yea all bring your comments can i have your stuff so predictable.
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar The GMs probably think that ransoming is a cover-up of isk-cash buying lol. Or they try to protect their best customers, those who don't petition, don't whine on forums, and those who keep customers in game. It's very likely because CCP did the maths, more people are staying in game because they can buy ISKs than people leaving out of disgust. That and if tomorrow farmers were all banned many POS would come offline within a week for lack of ice products... Hence farmers are now an integral part to the game, and messing with them is messing with CCP. It won't be tolerated. If you want farmer ISKs, buy them, that's the CCP sanctioned way. i kind of see your point but the older players only stay in this game because they feel they have to due to donating so much rl cash and time into the game and they feel its a waste to chuck it away this is a sycological kind of game being inflicted on the customers. think about it.
Jogvan	Posted - 2008.03.30 22:13:00 - [28] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar The GMs probably think that ransoming is a cover-up of isk-cash buying lol. I was gonna say something similar myself. If ransoming isk farmers was legal I'm sure there would suddenly be a whole bunch of people "ransoming" macros.
Heikki	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:41:00 - [29] Originally by: kworld If ccp continues to punish there customers Or, perhaps you could stop for a moment think why CCP must act like it did there. Basicly, declaring 'doing steps 1 and 2 is legal way to get ISK from ISK sellers' is same as giving fully up fighting ISK sellers. Every ISK buyer would use the ransom method. If you want RMT to become legal, just say it straight. Alternatively, can figure some way for CCP to treat all customers equally, and still give this fellow his legally gained dirty ISK back? -Lasse
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Sirius Problem Hmm.. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for farmers to strike back at those who hunt them. They could just deposit cash in your wallet, whether you asked for it or not, then report you to a GM as an ISK buyer. They have so many accounts and so much ISK that it would be nothing for them to do this, potentially causing a lot of pain to legit players. if I got a load of unsolicited isk i would be the one petitioning, and then wouldn't spend it at all i have seen what happens when this happens and you do spend it -750mil wallets are a damn good reason to quit q: hey guys i got a bil!?!? us: uhhhh i would petition that q: Well its been a few weeks I'm going to spend it and the gm closed the petition us: bad idea don't do it! q: (another week and) awwww fux -700mil wallet us: told you I remember that guy... was pretty funny still ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster

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