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Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 03:30:00 - [1] Seriously. I log in, and then I type a (very short!) post, and then I try to post, and it fails (logs me out). I've taken to logging in, clicking reply, writing the posts, copying them, submitting, and going back to the forum page, logging in, going back to the topic, replying, and posting. And it seems to happen every 20 minutes or so throughout the day - as if you have a round robin load balancer that's just braindead. Fix the damn forums, it's getting old. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:04:00 - [2] Same problem here. Very frustrating.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/03/2008 04:11:14 In Iceland, forum fixes you. edit: to be more constructive, I have that same problem pretty frequently. Closing all open browser windows and then starting over from scratch helps. Also if you hit the back button after a failed post it should take you back to the text box page with your text still entered. Attempt that latter action at least once before doing the browser restart.
Kaaze Meriivaas State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:13:00 - [4] You know, I recommended eve to a friend and did the wingman nonsense and he sent me email earlier today saying "dude, the forums don't even work, let me know when it's out of beta." I don't have the heart to tell him it launched in 2003.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:25:00 - [5] Yup. Happens all the time to me so I copy before I hit reply by reflex now. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren Seriously. I log in, and then I type a (very short!) post, and then I try to post, and it fails (logs me out). I've taken to logging in, clicking reply, writing the posts, copying them, submitting, and going back to the forum page, logging in, going back to the topic, replying, and posting. And it seems to happen every 20 minutes or so throughout the day - as if you have a round robin load balancer that's just braindead. Fix the damn forums, it's getting old. -Liang This is the internet gods trying to give you a hint, stop crap posting. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:33:00 - [7] request: denied we'll see forum improvements land with planetary flight, ie never ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Dianeces The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:33:00 - [8] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Liang Nuren Seriously. I log in, and then I type a (very short!) post, and then I try to post, and it fails (logs me out). I've taken to logging in, clicking reply, writing the posts, copying them, submitting, and going back to the forum page, logging in, going back to the topic, replying, and posting. And it seems to happen every 20 minutes or so throughout the day - as if you have a round robin load balancer that's just braindead. Fix the damn forums, it's getting old. -Liang This is the internet gods trying to give you a hint, stop crap posting. First of all, it's ****posting. Secondly, ahahahahahaha the irony is killing me.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:35:00 - [9] Originally by: AndrewRyan This is the internet gods trying to give you a hint, stop crap posting. You first. Also I think this forum is actually pretty good considering it's made of chewing gum and bailing wire. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
DeathAndTaxxes Alliance Tactical Research Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.28 06:08:00 - [10] +1000. This forum is literally worst than the ones provided FREE with $19.95 hosting accounts. Come on CCP. http://www.vbulletin.com/ This is just one example. CCP can't spare $160 for a license. Hell I would pay for it if they would just use it. Or any one of a dozen+ other products. Virtually all forum boards have: * real search (limit by member, subforum, keyword, title only, etc) * auto search when trying to create new post * customizable profile page * account history (length, # posts, rating) * block/hide annoying users. The software at this point is literally plug and play. There is no excuse.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.28 06:31:00 - [11] With the level of animosity on these forums I don't see how being able to block annoying members would be beneficial. Can you imagine how disjointed threads would become when all the regulars, who will have no doubt blocked half the other regulars, start posting in it?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:45:00 - [12] Bump. Fix these forums please. -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Asestorian Domination. Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:58:00 - [13] Whenever I have problems like these I just remove the EVE related cookies from my browser and everything works fine again. That said, this forum does need some extra features that are common to almost every other forum out there. --- MOZO
SheriffFruitfly FlyinPenguin Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:03:00 - [14] Pfft. Be fair - it's not like anyone else has decent forum software.
mishkof Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:12:00 - [15] /signed CCP your forums are horrible. No other way about it. I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Julia Newmatar Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:17:00 - [16] I've found what causes this problem, for me at least, it seems that the forums use your IP address to secure your session, if your ISP uses transparent proxies, you will be logged out every time your proxy changes, which could be every click. this is because the forums end up using the proxy IP address and not your IP address. for me the fix was to specify a specific proxy server in my browser settings.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Julia Newmatar I've found what causes this problem, for me at least, it seems that the forums use your IP address to secure your session, if your ISP uses transparent proxies, you will be logged out every time your proxy changes, which could be every click. this is because the forums end up using the proxy IP address and not your IP address. for me the fix was to specify a specific proxy server in my browser settings. I'd agree with that, if it didn't happen everywhere I go (home and work). Also I know for fact that I have a static IP at work. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:24:00 - [18] Yeah, come on CCP, there are a whole bunch of free and shareware forum packages. Just get one. And let us upload our own damn avatars, since it's obviously such a technical challenge!
Julia Newmatar Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Julia Newmatar I've found what causes this problem, for me at least, it seems that the forums use your IP address to secure your session, if your ISP uses transparent proxies, you will be logged out every time your proxy changes, which could be every click. this is because the forums end up using the proxy IP address and not your IP address. for me the fix was to specify a specific proxy server in my browser settings. I'd agree with that, if it didn't happen everywhere I go (home and work). Also I know for fact that I have a static IP at work. -Liang A fixed IP may not make any difference, I have a fixed IP at home, but my telecoms company has a bunch of proxies that sit right on the main backbone, and all outgoing traffic, for the entire country (they are the only telecoms company in the country) goes through those proxies, that's why it's called a transparent proxy. When CCP's server asks for your IP address, it will get either the Proxies address, or both the proxy and your address, it seems that even when they get your address along with the proxies address, the forums choose to use the proxies address. To test this go to these two sites http://whatsmyip.org/ http://whatismyip.com/ The first site will give you you're real address even with a proxy, it correctly identifies your IP and ignores any proxy addresses, it's not difficult to do, but then we are talking about CCP here. The second one will either give you the same IP, in which case you are not going through a proxy, or it will give you a different address than the first indicating that you are going through a proxy, CCP's developers may have been involved in the development of this site.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:39:00 - [20] yup, this has been P I S S I N G me off for the last few weeks. FIX THE F U C K I N G FORUMS SO I DONT HAVE TO SWEAR SO MUCH NOR USE CAPS. /signed -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Julia Newmatar To test this go to these two sites http://whatsmyip.org/ http://whatismyip.com/ The first site will give you you're real address even with a proxy, it correctly identifies your IP and ignores any proxy addresses, it's not difficult to do, but then we are talking about CCP here. The second one will either give you the same IP, in which case you are not going through a proxy, or it will give you a different address than the first indicating that you are going through a proxy, CCP's developers may have been involved in the development of this site. They're the same IP. I know that we're not sitting on a transparent proxy because of the nature of the work I do. :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Corporati Capitalis Tollan Technologies	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:08:00 - [22] /signed Bad forums make baby corporati cry.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:53:00 - [23] I know for a fact the problem is not just with proxies, I checked this at work. This problem has only recently arisen in the last couple of weeks so it would suggest that some update to the forum software or login server has broken something.
soi asok Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:27:00 - [24] I think the forums should be fixed also. But not for the same reasons. The forum is broken in my eyes because you have around 10 threads on the front page all on the same topic, thats not counting the hundreds of threads that have fallen off the front page which are all about the same topic. Seriously, its insane. If people have an opinion on a certain topic why do they feel the need to start ANOTHER thread when there's already 6 or 7 threads right there they could post in. This sort of thing can call in the ban hammer on other forums, or at least they get merged. Jihadswarm is a perfect example of this, as is 'how to fix low sec' I see the mods locking threads here and there so why do they not merge threads and discourage people from duplicating? [/rant]
OwlManAtt Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:37:00 - [25] I'd like to see the following: 1. Moderators (given\|use) the ability to delete posts instead of replacing the body with 'Inappropriate content cleared by XXX'. 2. Moderators (given\|use) the ability to delete entire threads classified as spam instead of locking them. 3. The 'Thread Moved to XXX' threads expire on the forum they were moved from after an hour or two. 4. That rather unique session bug fixed. 5. A better search tool implementing, allowing me to search per-user, in certain forums, and by certain user classes (ie find all threads containing dev posts in General Chat). The first three suggestions help the forums a lot by reducing the signal-to-noise ratio. Seeing two or three locked spamthreads on the front page of general chat is wasted space. Locking a thread has its uses; a discussion has escalated into a flamewar or simply pattered out - you wouldn't want to delete those (useful) posts, but you don't want additional posts to bump the thread/escalate it/etc. The spamthreads do not have a legitimate reason to be maintained. The same applies to deleting replies instead of 'clearing' them of content. I don't want to waste time scrolling through meaningless posts. It's noise. --- Owl
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:45:00 - [26] Originally by: OwlManAtt 1. Moderators (given\|use) the ability to delete posts instead of replacing the body with 'Inappropriate content cleared by XXX'. 2. Moderators (given\|use) the ability to delete entire threads classified as spam instead of locking them. Have you ever moderated a forum? If not, here's some sage advice: NEVER DELETE. Deleting just makes posters freak out and causes all kinds of unnecessary headaches; there are only so many "Hey ******* where did my post go?" posts you can read before you want to run amok with an axe. The system here of sanitizing offensive posts and letting locked threads slip gracefully off the front page is one of the most sensible I've ever seen and results in a really enjoyable dearth of moderator flames. The mods here are right on the money in this case IMO. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Digital Solaris Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:46:00 - [27] Or you could do as I do, write your post or reply in notepad or similar. Is it really worth it, for your own convenience? If CCP were to choose one of the more "forum solutions" out there, they could open themselves to potential security risks as many of the functions on the site seems to be integrated into one and another. So, for my own convenience, I write in notepad.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Digital Solaris Or you could do as I do, write your post or reply in notepad or similar. Same. Even so, CCP needs to sort out the forum issues, primarily the session issues that occasionally plague people. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Digital Solaris Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Digital Solaris Or you could do as I do, write your post or reply in notepad or similar. Same. Even so, CCP needs to sort out the forum issues, primarily the session issues that occasionally plague people. I think you have to elaborate what issues they are, as I use the forum in its uttermost simplicity.
OwlManAtt Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Quelque Chose Have you ever moderated a forum? If not, here's some sage advice: NEVER DELETE. Deleting just makes posters freak out and causes all kinds of unnecessary headaches; there are only so many "Hey ******* where did my post go?" posts you can read before you want to run amok with an axe. The system here of sanitizing offensive posts and letting locked threads slip gracefully off the front page is one of the most sensible I've ever seen and results in a really enjoyable dearth of moderator flames. The mods here are right on the money in this case IMO. I have moderated forums and written forum software. I understand perfectly well where you're coming from. But do you regularly read CAOD? People constantly post trollthreads and spam knowing perfectly well that they shouldn't be making posts like that. They get locked after a few minutes. Some nights there can be five or six locked, cleared, and utterly useless threads on the front page - that's a significant number of them. Besides, the "where did my post go!?!" posts can be countered very easily with another software enhancement: show the deleted post to the poster with some (very obvious) indication that it was deleted, and allow the deleting moderator to specify a reason. --- Owl

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