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Vendris
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:26:00 -
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Hypothetical question - What if Doriam Kor-Azor outlawed slavery tomorrow, all the holders chose to uphold the ruling, and all the other empires that do not already have an anti-slavery stance followed suit? What if all the slaves in the galaxy were suddenly emancipated?
What would a freedom fighter or terrorist do if they suddenly got what they've been fighting for, and their reason to be was suddenly no more?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/04/2004 14:31:59
Well at least some of the terrorists have the destruction of the Empire as an objective not only to "release" the adopted workers, but as an act of vengeance for imaginary insults in the past.
So I'd guess they'd find some reason or another to continue thier heinous activities.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Stront3h on 15/04/2004 14:44:51
Of course we would Rodj, after all we'd hate to leave you unemployed  
[Edit] Erm.. I would call the enslaving of an entire race an 'imaginary insult' |
Tsual
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:38:00 -
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I would change my agenda from convert the Amarrian one day and free the slave to soley convert the Amarrian one day.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:40:00 -
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work damn hard at reintergrating the former slaves into proper society.
And hunt down the law breakers thatdidn't follow suit. I have no qualms with an Empire that honestly turns it's back on the brutal domination of others.
But it's a pipe dream cause we all know that even if the Emperor wanted to, he wont casue civil war would break out, thus makeing the law of "God" null an void. The Amarr empire would crumble at the realiations that it's emperor is nothing more than a simple man.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:42:00 -
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The Amarr empire would crumble at the realiations that it's emperor is nothing more than a simple man.
Ah but he is not, Ashe. You are not discussing reality right now, remember ;)
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 15/04/2004 14:47:00
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Hypothetical question - What if Doriam Kor-Azor outlawed slavery tomorrow, all the holders chose to uphold the ruling, and all the other empires that do not already have an anti-slavery stance followed suit? What if all the slaves in the galaxy were suddenly emancipated?
What would a freedom fighter or terrorist do if they suddenly got what they've been fighting for, and their reason to be was suddenly no more?
Vendris, what if personal wealth and profit were outlawed and the State experienced a Marxist revolution tomorrow, and everyone univerally agreed and went along with abolishing money as we know it?
The key word is "all." What i would do is beat my artillery into roidshares and rejoice, but neither of these scenarios will happen in our lifetimes, and you know it. More to the point and germaine to your question is that there will be, after any such declaration, holdouts and reactionaries. We are not ants or groupminds - not even you, brother Caldari . There will always be those who attempt to preserve the old order / way of life / personal power.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Tsual
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:47:00 -
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The Amarr empire would crumble at the realiations that it's emperor is nothing more than a simple man.
Ah but he is not, Ashe. You are not discussing reality right now, remember ;)
He is a simple man, it's only a teocratic system that gives him a special position, hoever you can believe what you believe, I keep on Thinking what I think.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:50:00 -
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The Amarr empire would crumble at the realiations that it's emperor is nothing more than a simple man.
Ah but he is not, Ashe. You are not discussing reality right now, remember ;)
heh heh heh *grins knowingly*
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Lora Baenre
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:51:00 -
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Here's a 'hypothetical proposition': The 'Emperor' can release all the women slaves. I do not care what he does with the male ones. That should be a nice compromise, don't you think? PIGS.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:52:00 -
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Thats a new twist on things
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:24:00 -
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Fun topic.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 15/04/2004 17:42:17
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Edited by: Stront3h on 15/04/2004 14:44:51
Of course we would Rodj, after all we'd hate to leave you unemployed
[Edit] Erm.. I would call the enslaving of an entire race an 'imaginary insult'
You would still have the Dark Amarr to deal with.
If His Imperial majesty decreed that all slaves were to be freed, I would obey immediately. Emperor Doriam Kor-Azor rules through divine right, all authority is granted him in the Holy Scriptures.
Our cousins in the Khanid kingdom would probably have a good laugh at our expense, and continue to live their lives whatever way they see fit - slaves included.
- Deacon Ezar Vorbarra
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 18:34:00 -
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Our cousins in the Khanid kingdom would probably have a good laugh at our expense, and continue to live their lives whatever way they see fit - slaves included.
- Deacon Ezar Vorbarra
Then I will gladly kill them, until they learn to live otherwise, even so, I would have to avenge my wife by finding the one's responsible and killing them
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:22:00 -
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If slavery ended tomorrow...
... I would go "WTF, who's gonna build my ships now?"
Good thing that it won't happen in stain
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:29:00 -
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I'll leave a response to that from C4 and Oracle
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:30:00 -
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Hypothetical question - What if Doriam Kor-Azor outlawed slavery tomorrow, all the holders chose to uphold the ruling
Only when my frozen corpse is turned into stardust over Oris and all cloning facilities in eve are destroyed, will I allow this. Spare me the rubbish of -that can be arranged- and -ok where are you 'atm'- Just read and retain.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.15 21:59:00 -
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I think the next step would have to be forgiveness.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.15 22:45:00 -
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Difficult...
yet if breeding an Amarrian with a Matari is possible, perhaps anything is...
I cannot say... my scars run too deep...
too deep
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.16 00:30:00 -
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Minmatar got two main attributes: they breed like rabbits and a criminal instinct is in their genes. Many of the larger criminal groups are run by Minmatars. The Minmatar constantly warred against each other before the Amarr brought law and order to them. The Nefantar joined the Amarr for this reason.
One third of all Minmatar are enslaved. This are the lucky Minmatar. They have work, food and a place to sleep. If you release them they will flood Gallente space and the so called Minmatar Republic. I assume the Caldari will close their borders. Without work and food they will start to murder and pillage. Anarchy and chaos everywhere...
Slavery is justified by the holy scriptures. Slavery is the will of God. Doriam won't be so stupid and act versus the will of God by freeing slaves. In the end he would meet the same fate as Zaragram II.
The Khanid Kingdom is strong to defend itself proven by history. Unfortunatly I doubt we are strong enough to clean up such a mess. Freeing slaves is a bad idea. Midular knows it. The Gallente Senat knows it. We all know it.
Now please someone sell some slaves in Khanid Prime to me. My research agent needs a lot of human organism for experiments.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.16 08:37:00 -
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Enter Mr Generalistion once again. Who'll complain just as much when a Minmatar does exactlythe same
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Guran Voorde
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:46:00 -
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At least he had something worthwhile to say.
If all slavery ended tomorrow, it would not affect me much at all. It might make Imperial space a bit more dangerous as countless thousands of Minmatar and others are suddenly turned loose, and go in search of ships and revenge, but other than that?
I don't think the freedom fighters are a real consideration in the matter, to be honest. They may bring down a few slave transports every now and again, but not enough to really be noticed by the Empire in economic terms.
All this freedom fighting really does is stop the average Amarrian from wondering why he's treating his slaves so badly, because every day he sees broadcasts of Minmatar criminals raiding law abiding Amarrian convoys. So, he thinks, Minmatar are the enemy, are they not? It's only right they should be kept in bondage and punished, isn't it?
If there is to be any change in the lot of Minmatar in slavery, the change must come from within, and out of empathy and compassion. It doesn't help that a section of the Minmatar community is insisting on giving all of them a bad name by acting like savages.
Ironic, but true - All freedom fighters are doing is extending the slavery of their brothers and sisters as a whole, even though they may shorten it for a lucky few.
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Feygor Gaunt
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:57:00 -
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i will destroy the maggots empire im not intrested in freeing slaves
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NerisRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:04:00 -
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I fear the Empire will destory itself, as would any idealism that basis itselfpurely on religious power rather the human element.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:17:00 -
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I fear the Empire will destory itself, as would any idealism that basis itselfpurely on religious power rather the human element.
I would agree with you, were it not for the fact that the Empire has been going strong for about, give or take, 7000 years.
We're good at what we do, Ms. Raven, there's no denying that.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:30:00 -
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And already clames it current "God" to be weak and is currently lost about 15% of it's orginal territory in less than 30 of those years
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:38:00 -
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Which is still considerably more then any other race currently, or at any time, posesses, even with the 30% lost.
The Amarr Empire isn't going to go anyware, even -if- slavery was somehow abolished. You're going to have to face that sooner or later.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:54:00 -
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I fear the Empire will destory itself, as would any idealism that basis itselfpurely on religious power rather the human element.
Humanity? Our religion is a very friendly religion towards all races. Our religion helps lesser being to grow and to become valuable in the eye of God. Ni-Kunni and Udorians are the best examples.
What about your barbaric voodoo rituals? The tattoo lottery called Voluval or test of destiny is one of the most cruel rituals I've ever heard about. Children with some bad luck can be forever exiled from Minmatar society just because they had gained the wrong tattoo by random. Others become leaders no matter what **** they are in reality just because they hit the jackpot and gained a tattoo like the ray of matar. Is this what you call humanity?
I ordered to cut out all tattoos from our slaves so each of them has the same fair chance to evolve.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:58:00 -
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The Amarr Empire isn't going to go anyware, even -if- slavery was somehow abolished. You're going to have to face that sooner or later.
suits me
I'm only interested in the slave issue
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:59:00 -
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I fear the Empire will destory itself, as would any idealism that basis itselfpurely on religious power rather the human element.
Humanity? Our religion is a very friendly religion towards all races. Our religion helps lesser being to grow and to become valuable in the eye of God. Ni-Kunni and Udorians are the best examples.
What about your barbaric voodoo rituals? The tattoo lottery called Voluval or test of destiny is one of the most cruel rituals I've ever heard about. Children with some bad luck can be forever exiled from Minmatar society just because they had gained the wrong tattoo by random. Others become leaders no matter what **** they are in reality just because they hit the jackpot and gained a tattoo like the ray of matar. Is this what you call humanity?
I ordered to cut out all tattoos from our slaves so each of them has the same fair chance to evolve.
You hear a lot of things don't you?
But you don't really listen
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