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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:29:00 -
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I said a select few, not all of them. Matter of fact I only recall one guy that smacked the smack. Out of 80 FE guys thats not bad.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:48:00 -
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Since Eris changed this topic into "The History of...." I think we should maybe take a look at this project.
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anthonieak
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Posted - 2004.04.16 15:48:00 -
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Nice story Riddari.
Although i do not read that much on the forums. This i read out. The comments made by others i read between lines.
But after History comes Future
There I do not come much or say none at all in Alliance spaces. After I was shot with my alt in the venal region just too explore the outer region. In that region they find that anyone or anybody is a spy. So my view on alliance get a whole different perspective.
A wonder still is safe in an alliance.
But still I have questions.
At Xanadu statement I figured out that FA alliance consist out of 22 corperations.
What are the goals of FA alliance now?
What are the terms that an cooperation can enter an alliance
Is it possible that an cooperation can own his own station within the alliance and when they are allowed to do this?
As in cooperation there are fighters. Those people do want too protect miners from hostiles from pirates. If this are NPC pirates or from people who just want too kill others for their own fun negleting the feeling that this terrorist bring too the hauler or miner who just is doing his work for the alliance or cooperation he or she is in.
In what way they deal against such terrorist actions?
Because tose terrorist never die.
CCp still has no insurance for your implants which you have or for your equipment which you use
This post is already too long again.
AK
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.04.16 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 16/04/2004 20:13:46
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gj Riddari. I never did know why XAN and HHI started hating each other. Figures it was over hidden ark 
IIRC it actually started before Castor hit and the ark respawned.
By the time the ark disputes started, there was already a lot of bad blood between the HHI crew and Xanadu, much of it due to the fact that most of the members of Xanadu were abhorred by HHI condoning (and even bragging about) the theft perpetrated by HHI against SIM.
Had there not already been bad blood, there probably would not have been major issues w.r.t. mining. But unfortunately, there were already seeds of distaste that mining conflicts served to amplify significantly.
Other than that missing detail, Riddari's post was excellent.
On an unrelated notes, some of the comments regarding how democracy (to some degree) failed in the FA, partly due to the issue of big corp vs. small corp voice reminds me of a history lesson, a very old one in RL.
Many from outside the United States may not know, and probably a good number of U.S. citizens don't know this, but prior to the United States Constitution being written, the United States (or what was to become the United States) was governed by a document known as the Articles of Confederation (I may have the name slightly wrong here. Not to be confused with the Confederacy of the Civil War). The Articles probably lasted for only 8-10 years in the late 1700s, and the United States government was very weak and ineffective at that time. Democracy was beginning to look like a failed experiment.
Eventually, new guidelines for the government of the former British colonies were formed. These guidelines are the Constitution that has guided the government of the United States for over 200 years. Back then, one of the hottest debates was the issue of division of power between small and large states. The end result of this debate was called the Great Compromise, and was what formed the current legislative branch of the U.S. government - Two seperate entities, one with equal power for all states (2 representatives per state) and one with power proportional to a states' population.
I wonder how such a system would work for the Fountain government, one that could avoid the need for such drastic measures to be taken again. Once I get back from a meeting on campus I may bring this up with my directors. :)
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Lentia
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Posted - 2004.04.16 20:30:00 -
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And isnt it interesting that the current conflict also can be framed in a similar way to the American Revolution.
The overpowering European Imperialists (Xanadu) attempting to hijack the fledgling New World (Fountain) and crush democracy only to be ultimately defeated by a small band of American Revolutionairies (Rev0luti0n) which will then ultimately go on to rule the WORLD! HAHAHA |
Insane Angel
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Posted - 2004.04.16 21:21:00 -
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I like that "EVE Marshall Emperor" part(Marshal is proper spelling). Too bad im not 
Oh yeah, all our players that post on forums are the real deal, none are alts.
Example: on Old Earth USA(North) defeated the USA(south). Thats a better example of this situation, not the revolutionary war.
Aerick, yeah Baun and I like to post in the forums. We only do it to counter the forum warriors that make "innaccurate" posts about the EVE Marshals or anyone we are allied with.
As for Democracy, it is very much alive. We are a democratic nation within EVE. If we dont agree with Xanadu, BIG, FinFleet or any of our allies we will sure as heck make them aware of our vote and our displeasure.
We are "anti-pirate" and we are the "good guys". And this is not only the Marshals view of themselves but also the view of many in the EVE community. We will continue in this role until the end of EVE.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.16 21:30:00 -
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We are "anti-pirate" and we are the "good guys". And this is not only the Marshals view of themselves but also the view of many in the EVE community. We will continue in this role until the end of EVE.
If you are anti-pirate, can you care to explain the NFA's allowance of m0o in one of your core systems? I question your true motivations, and the public has not received an adequate answer. I anxiously await your response.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.04.16 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Estarriol on 16/04/2004 22:20:35
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If you are anti-pirate, can you care to explain the NFA's allowance of m0o in one of your core systems?
m0o are hanging around in one of their 'core' systems... afaik, this has been more of a 'hands-off' approach of handling a potentially hostile situation...
Meanwhile, Rev0luti0n have been openly hunting alongside known pirates near the Hophib system, and some of these (e.g., several from PAK) have even been accepted into your ranks.
Care to explain this?
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I question your true motivations, and the public has not received an adequate answer. I anxiously await your response.
On the other hand, your motivations seem painfully transparent.
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teewii
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Posted - 2004.04.16 22:28:00 -
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And isnt it interesting that the current conflict also can be framed in a similar way to the American Revolution.
The overpowering European Imperialists (Xanadu) attempting to hijack the fledgling New World (Fountain) and crush democracy only to be ultimately defeated by a small band of American Revolutionairies (Rev0luti0n) which will then ultimately go on to rule the WORLD! HAHAHA
despite your name, xanady and team is actually more like the rebells :D
and you the evil empire defending what was 
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.04.16 22:45:00 -
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Awsome read. More of this pealse 
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 16/04/2004 23:10:12
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Meanwhile, Rev0luti0n have been openly hunting alongside known pirates near the Hophib system, and some of these (e.g., several from PAK) have even been accepted into your ranks.
Care to explain this?
No problem. The PAK members in question that have joined us, Kakalot, and Captain Pugwash have both forsaken pirating, and have worked extremely hard at getting their security level to an appreciable level. They have both gone extremely on the legit side. Keep in mind I hunted these two with my corp, and they've both traded shots with myself and other Aridia based corporations.
Now, since then, they have not been in one incident of ever pirating anyone. They are both perfect gentlemen both in and out of the field. Can a person change their evil pirating ways? Of course they can. Should you label them lock stock and barrel as the unwanted evil bastards they are? I think that is quite shortsighted as was your question.
and let me add, if we are running ops in hophib while m00 sits a few jumps away with about 80 NFA pilots in the core systems a short distance away, it begs the question even more.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:32:00 -
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Can a person change their evil pirating ways? Of course they can. Should you label them lock stock and barrel as the unwanted evil bastards they are? I think that is quite shortsighted as was your question.
How could the question, "Care to explain this?" be described as "quite shortsighted"?
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.04.17 02:13:00 -
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Many from outside the United States may not know, and probably a good number of U.S. citizens don't know this, but prior to the United States Constitution being written, the United States (or what was to become the United States) was governed by a document known as the Articles of Confederation (I may have the name slightly wrong here. Not to be confused with the Confederacy of the Civil War). The Articles probably lasted for only 8-10 years in the late 1700s, and the United States government was very weak and ineffective at that time. Democracy was beginning to look like a failed experiment.
Eventually, new guidelines for the government of the former British colonies were formed. These guidelines are the Constitution that has guided the government of the United States for over 200 years. Back then, one of the hottest debates was the issue of division of power between small and large states. The end result of this debate was called the Great Compromise, and was what formed the current legislative branch of the U.S. government - Two seperate entities, one with equal power for all states (2 representatives per state) and one with power proportional to a states' population.
The key difference between the debate between the Articals of Confederation and the Constitution, and what happened in FA, are that
A: No states were cast from the union, because of their refusal to ratify.
B: No states were forced to ratify the Constitution by military action.
C: None of the Constitution was implemented until after it had been ratified by 2/3rds of the states involved, (in fact, they waited until every state in the union had ratifies the Constitution before implementing it.)
In short, the NFA coup is the complete antithesis of the ratification of the US Consitution.
The violent eviction of an undesired minority is completely contrary to true Republic theory. Go read the Federalist Papers if you haven't already. Somehow I doubt neither Jefferson, nor Hamelton would in anyway aprove of calling what you have done "democratic" and getting those two to agree on anything was quite a feat.
Harry Voyager
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.04.17 04:20:00 -
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The violent eviction of an undesired minority is completely contrary to true Republic theory
replace "undersired minority" with treasonous elements, corps unfortunate enough to have been associated with such due to unwise actions of a few of their members, and non participants.
/me writes another request to CCP for the ability to edit other people posts 
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.17 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 17/04/2004 04:52:08
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How could the question, "Care to explain this?" be described as "quite shortsighted"?
Quite simple if you read it. You were making the determination that since we have ex pirates within our organization makes them still pirates, and makes us pirates.
Did that make sense to you or should I explain it even further in more simple terms so you may understand?
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Haunty Moto
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Posted - 2004.04.17 04:48:00 -
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That was a very entertaining read. Time will tell what the future holds, wee! 
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Papa Cerb
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Posted - 2004.04.17 09:48:00 -
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Very good post Riddari!!!
It was nice to read!
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Laird
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Posted - 2004.04.17 10:40:00 -
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A most enjoyable read.
I'd like to more of the same idea on the other alliances, Anybody willing to take up the stand?
Commodore Laird, Human Resources Officer
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.17 15:40:00 -
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A most enjoyable read.
I'd like to more of the same idea on the other alliances, Anybody willing to take up the stand?
I have put forward such a proposal.
So far I have only been contacted on forums and ingame by Fountain people, past and present.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.04.17 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Estarriol on 17/04/2004 16:25:10
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Did that make sense to you or should I explain it even further in more simple terms so you may understand?
LMAO.
Aerick, you keep self-described pirates among your ranks, you are running a 'pirate'-style campaign to irritate and annoy Fountain Alliance. Yet, you raise the issue of m0o, who are sitting around somewhere being carebears. 'OMG FA HARBOURS PIRATES THEREFORE WE NEED TO HIRE OUR OWN PIRATES TOO!!!'
It seems simple enough that you wish to preserve Rev0luti0n's purely fictitious legitimacy by diverting attention elsewhere.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:23:00 -
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The violent eviction of an undesired minority is completely contrary to true Republic theory
replace "undersired minority" with treasonous elements, corps unfortunate enough to have been associated with such due to unwise actions of a few of their members, and non participants.
/me writes another request to CCP for the ability to edit other people posts
If a full third of your country is "treasonous elements" you don't have treason, you have an open civil war on your hands.
Frankly all the NFA's talk of "treasonous elements" smacks of window dressing. What outside entities were they working with to destroy Fountain? Names, times, places?
If you are going to accuse a full third of your alliance of treason, then you had better be able to prove it, or else it's just an internal Coup De'ta to cast out the "undesireds".
Harry Voyager
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:43:00 -
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LMAO.
Aerick, you keep self-described pirates among your ranks, you are running a 'pirate'-style campaign to irritate and annoy Fountain Alliance. Yet, you raise the issue of m0o, who are sitting around somewhere being carebears. 'OMG FA HARBOURS PIRATES THEREFORE WE NEED TO HIRE OUR OWN PIRATES TOO!!!'
It seems simple enough that you wish to preserve Rev0luti0n's purely fictitious legitimacy by diverting attention elsewhere.
Read my post above, oh wait, you already have!
Bring your spin machine somewhere else.....
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.04.18 01:52:00 -
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I think that is quite shortsighted as was your question.
Actually, short-sighted has nothing to do with it. It depends on the accuracy of your story and the awareness of that story amongst the people in question.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.05.10 14:26:00 -
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Following recent events (where I have been appointed Master of (Digital) Archives at another institution) and the movement that has sprouted to write the history of EVE I hereby grant anyone interested full permission to use what I have written so far on the Fountain Alliance and related matters.
I myself have to withdraw due to the amount of work my new position demands and am hopeful to see something really great grow out of these efforts. Should anyone be interested in getting feedback on their work I am only to happy to read over and pinpoint the strong and weak points.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.05.10 15:21:00 -
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Excellent
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